Blake Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 [quote name='Kisuke Urahara' timestamp='1288556688' post='4753045'] this is no longer a debate, it's a left-wing agreement which i fully support but in all essence has kinda died. -lolz all the owners of YCM commented on this thread [/quote] I'm a Right-wing. Amethyst implied such. It's not pure left-wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 [quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1288548751' post='4752669'] When I asked why they acted homophobic in public despite having no problem with gays etc, their responses amounted to "Trolling the liberals for the lulz". [/quote] Even if that were the case, that would indicate that they were creating an environment hostile to LGBT people not because they actually disliked LGBT people but rather because, though they thought LGBT people were equal human beings and such, tormenting them seemed amusing. That's arguably even worse than flat bigotry. At least regular bigots think they're doing the right thing/what God wants/whatever; these monsters attack people who they know are perfectly innocent because they think it's funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Associating Islam with terrorism is stupid. Associating Christianity with racism is stupid. Yet a number of people who rant about the first one are guilty of the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 [quote name='Tainted Black' timestamp='1288556783' post='4753050'] I'm a Right-wing. Amethyst implied such. It's not pure left-wing. [/quote] Surely you know that right-[i]wing, [/i]as considered by most people, means you are almost [b]all the way[/b] to the right of the political spectrum. Right-wing people are generally retards (like Glenn Beck), and you'd call yourself moreso moderate or just right, not right-wing. Yes, it does make a difference. [quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288557267' post='4753082'] Even if that were the case, that would indicate that they were creating an environment hostile to LGBT people not because they actually disliked LGBT people but rather because, though they thought LGBT people were equal human beings and such, tormenting them seemed amusing. That's arguably even worse than flat bigotry. At least regular bigots think they're doing the right thing/what God wants/whatever; these monsters attack people who they know are perfectly innocent because they think it's funny. [/quote] You senseless moron, it [i]is[/i] funny! [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1288569748' post='4753566'] Associating Islam with terrorism is stupid. Associating Christianity with racism is stupid. Yet a number of people who rant about the first one are guilty of the second. [/quote] Who associates Christianity with [i]rac[/i]ism? I associate many Christians (at least the extremists) with religious intolerance and discrimination, and general stupidity, but when has [i]anybody[/i] ever said [i]anything[/i] about racism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1288586215' post='4754093'] Who associates Christianity with [i]rac[/i]ism? I associate many Christians (at least the extremists) with religious intolerance and discrimination, and general stupidity, but when has [i]anybody[/i] ever said [i]anything[/i] about racism? [/quote] Eh, there's a fair case to be made for a good portion of Islamophobia to be either based in or a code for racism against dem brown arab peepulz. The [s]conservatives[/s] reactionaries [url=http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-july-1-2010/release-the-kagan]certainly use thin veils like that for their other prejudices[/url]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1288586215' post='4754093'] Who associates Christianity with [i]rac[/i]ism? I associate many Christians (at least the extremists) with religious intolerance and discrimination, and general stupidity, but when has [i]anybody[/i] ever said [i]anything[/i] about racism? [/quote] Fine. Explain why it's OK to associate Christianity with general stupidity, but when anyone says anything about Muslims, they're a giant bigot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1288639342' post='4754922'] Fine. Explain why it's OK to associate Christianity with general stupidity, but when anyone says anything about Muslims, they're a giant bigot. [/quote] Are you able to read? I never associate Christianity, or for that matter, [b]any religion[/b], with general stupidity. I associate religious extremists with general stupidity, because it is frankly true. Every religious has their group of extremists that are generally stupid and do everything in the name of God/Yahweh/Allah/Brahma/FSM, and their actions clearly dictate that they are worthy of being considered stupid. And in any rational and logical person's mind, they [i]are[/i] stupid. I never said [i]all[/i] Christians were stupid, or that [i]all[/i] religious people were stupid, or that [i]all[/i] religions should be eradicated and their followers put in a hole and spat on by bystanders. I did, however, say that religious [i]extremists[/i] were stupid. Do you now see the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1288639342' post='4754922'] Fine. Explain why it's OK to associate Christianity with general stupidity, but when anyone says anything about Muslims, they're a giant bigot. [/quote] [img]http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1012/542429875_b361943001.jpg[/img] This is my Trolly-Wolly detector. Goes dink when there's stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1288641657' post='4755044'] Are you able to read? I never associate Christianity, or for that matter, [b]any religion[/b], with general stupidity. I associate religious extremists with general stupidity, because it is frankly true. Every religious has their group of extremists that are generally stupid and do everything in the name of God/Yahweh/Allah/Brahma/FSM, and their actions clearly dictate that they are worthy of being considered stupid. And in any rational and logical person's mind, they [i]are[/i] stupid. I never said [i]all[/i] Christians were stupid, or that [i]all[/i] religious people were stupid, or that [i]all[/i] religions should be eradicated and their followers put in a hole and spat on by bystanders. I did, however, say that religious [i]extremists[/i] were stupid. Do you now see the difference? [/quote] Yes. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 [quote name='Revolver Amethyst' timestamp='1288548751' post='4752669'] Interesting fun fact: Upon asking local people known to be right-wing, their views are much more tolerant than would be apparent. When I asked why they acted homophobic in public despite having no problem with gays etc, their responses amounted to "Trolling the liberals for the lulz". So yeah. Not that it's representative of the majority, but it's entirely possible a lot of the left-wing people are just feeding some epic trolling. [/quote] I'm an envisioning a hillbilly type with a two-foot wide neck spraying machine-gun fire into a gay pride march, before taking off a mask and revealing Lelouch underneath. Make it Light if you can't be bothered to remember any anime more obscure than Death Note. Oh, do they vote that way, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-dreezyAFG Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 uugh, another thread about this. its always terrorism, terrorism, taliban, government. give me an AK, plane tickets to AFG and i'll handle it =D but really, its like a class. there are good students, andbad students who give the class a bad name and terrorize the bad students and anyone who try to help the good students Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 [quote name='Fading Black' timestamp='1288550624' post='4752757'] Nein. The KKK is no longer to be in any way associated with us. The past, sure, but there were plenty of Northern Klan members too. [/quote] And I'm sure plenty of Muslims feel exactly the same way. "Hey, there are some people from our group who do this, but they don't represent our entire group." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 [quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1288929773' post='4762855'] And I'm sure plenty of Muslims feel exactly the same way. "Hey, there are some people from our group who do this, but they don't represent our entire group." [/quote] Look at my first post here. It's the FIRST reply. I said just that >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimiri of the Muse Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 I'm very annoyed who associate all muslims with terrorism. Same thing with muslims not being able to build the Mosque near ground zero. (im not sure if anything has changed with this recently because I do not watch the news regularly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Exodia Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Personally, any Religion Group can hold members of anything. It's not the overall choice of the Religion itself(In Most Cases, at least. But this is NOT one of those few.), but the overall of a single person and what they think is correct. When somebody defects to one thing or another, it isn't the whole group converts. Just the one. Nobody of any religious group should be stereotyped by what just a single person does. It's just a nature of us Humans to do this, and sometimes we idiots(And I use this term very loosely) go too far with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I trully dont understand why any belief system needs a good name... If im correct when Muhammed took power in the city where he preached, he amassed an army, took over neighboring cities, and forced them to convert to islam... Every religion has done something different or "Wrong" some time in history... I used to differentiate between "Extremists" and "Normal" religious people so much to the point where i dont care anymore... I dont believe that every muslim is some Jihadist Terrorist bent on bringing back the 12th Haman through chaos and disorder, I just dont feel like differentiating the two anymore if they both believe in Allah they are muslim, if they both believe in God or Iahova they are christian whether they take it too far or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Terrorism is symptomatic of deeper problems. Instead of fighting terrorism, we should be improving the lives of people so they have less motivation to become terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-dreezyAFG Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Halubaris Maphotika' timestamp='1298054988' post='5016614'] [b]I trully dont understand why any belief system needs a good name... If im correct when Muhammed took power in the city where he preached, he amassed an army, took over neighboring cities, and forced them to convert to islam... Every religion has done something different or "Wrong" some time in history...[/b] I used to differentiate between "Extremists" and "Normal" religious people so much to the point where i dont care anymore... I dont believe that every muslim is some Jihadist Terrorist bent on bringing back the 12th Haman through chaos and disorder, I just dont feel like differentiating the two anymore if they both believe in Allah they are muslim, if they both believe in God or Iahova they are christian whether they take it too far or not... [/quote] that is wrong. after hijra (the migration to medina from mecca) and after a few years of defending medina from the meccans, muhammad decided to take over mecca without casualties. his army built a fire around the city and with about thousands of men, they rode on horses into mecca, for intimidation to not resource to fighting. and no fighting was made. he wasn't proud either. when they were riding in the city, he hung his head down in shame while riding. basically he took back medina without fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterwhip Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 i would relate radical islams with terrorism their actions give Islam a bad name and its not a lot its just majorities in certain areas. the radicals for some reason cant become modern for some reason[quote name='Identity Unknown' timestamp='1298054988' post='5016614'] I trully dont understand why any belief system needs a good name... If im correct when Muhammed took power in the city where he preached, he amassed an army, took over neighboring cities, and forced them to convert to islam... Every religion has done something different or "Wrong" some time in history... I used to differentiate between "Extremists" and "Normal" religious people so much to the point where i dont care anymore... I dont believe that every muslim is some Jihadist Terrorist bent on bringing back the 12th Haman through chaos and disorder, I just dont feel like differentiating the two anymore if they both believe in Allah they are muslim, if they both believe in God or Iahova they are christian whether they take it too far or not... [/quote] thats wrong jews didnt get the chance to do something wrong they only got their own area with israels creation and a few years with david and solomon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 [quote name='waterwhip' timestamp='1302851975' post='5139770'] thats wrong jews didnt get the chance to do something wrong they only got their own area with israels creation and a few years with david and solomon [/quote] What about the mass wars they started during the very beginning of the Babylonian period... EVERY RELIGION has done something considered "Wrong" it all depends on what you consider wrong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterwhip Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 [quote name='Identity Unknown' timestamp='1302892908' post='5140596'] What about the mass wars they started during the very beginning of the Babylonian period... EVERY RELIGION has done something considered "Wrong" it all depends on what you consider wrong.... [/quote] never knew that but they did reletivly less things then every other religion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 [quote name='waterwhip' timestamp='1302898039' post='5140775'] never knew that but they did reletivly less things then every other religion [/quote] It doesnt mean what they do will tarnish their name forever its just something that happened.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterwhip Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 still they were usually the ones having the bad stuff happen to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 [quote name='waterwhip' timestamp='1302900183' post='5140899'] still they were usually the ones having the bad stuff happen to [/quote] Definately they are like Justin Beiber they attract hate like a magnet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterwhip Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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