Why is Satanism Bad?

[Dr. Cakey]

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1291411745' post='4826586']
Thanx i really learned something today. But i would like to question something else: I understand that some satanic cults actually have different views but use the satan part as a way of rebelling against a certain idea or society but arent there some that literally DO believe what they are spouting. (sorry spouting was the only word i could think off the top of my head)
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Obviously some do. Sort of like how a certain percentage of Christians like...believe in God or something. The Church of Satan (that is, LaVeyan Satanism) is...well, it's been said. They represent (I think) the largest fraction of self-described Satanists, but not all of them.

[quote name='tonymann']Sorry but i want to correct that Atheism means you have undiniable proof god exists and spend a lot of your time preaching about it kinda like radical christians except its preaching about how a god does not exist. A person who does not believe in any certain diety or doesnt care is Agnostic.[/quote]
'gnosis' is the Greek word for 'knowledge'. the 'a-' prefix, as I'm sure we all know, makes the word negative, i.e. 'not knowledge'. Anyone who would say that they're not sure if a god(s) exists, or doesn't have any conclusive evidence would therefore be Agnostic.

I'm not going to actually respond because my mind has switched on a defensive override that automatically assumes troll.

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

Thank god Alexis isn't to be on in 4 days. Alright, so all Christians have to base off of that Satanist are evil is the bible so in Christian logic, Adolfe Hitler did NOT have any jews in his army. Now do your research or have me post it for you before you try to make a reasonable debate. It is only by US information that Adolfe Hitler wanted ALL jews dead as well as homosexuals and other people considered not be apart of the Airyan race. Due to limited media that I
can post. So I will post the main video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfEJrzWssqg
So now Chrisitians, if you accept that Satanist are evil. You are also going to accept that nearly everything you were taught about Adolfe Hitler is a lie.

[quote name='Dr. Cakey' timestamp='1291427934' post='4827237']
Obviously some do. Sort of like how a certain percentage of Christians like...believe in God or something. The Church of Satan (that is, LaVeyan Satanism) is...well, it's been said. They represent (I think) the largest fraction of self-described Satanists, but not all of them.


'gnosis' is the Greek word for 'knowledge'. the 'a-' prefix, as I'm sure we all know, makes the word negative, i.e. 'not knowledge'. Anyone who would say that they're not sure if a god(s) exists, or doesn't have any conclusive evidence would therefore be Agnostic.

I'm not going to actually respond because my mind has switched on a defensive override that automatically assumes troll.
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There is also Goetic Satanism, just saying.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1293598223' post='4891855']
Thank god Alexis isn't to be on in 4 days. Alright, so all Christians have to base off of that Satanist are evil is the bible so in Christian logic, Adolfe Hitler did NOT have any jews in his army. Now do your research or have me post it for you before you try to make a reasonable debate. It is only by US information that Adolfe Hitler wanted ALL jews dead as well as homosexuals and other people considered not be apart of the Airyan race. Due to limited media that I
can post. So I will post the main video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfEJrzWssqg
So now Chrisitians, if you accept that Satanist are evil. You are also going to accept that nearly everything you were taught about Adolfe Hitler is a lie.


There is also Goetic Satanism, just saying.
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What kind of logic is that? Because they believe in the bible, they have to believe in the holocaust? Actually most holocaust deniers are hard core religious.

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

[quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1293666903' post='4894430']
What kind of logic is that? Because they believe in the bible, they have to believe in the holocaust? Actually most holocaust deniers are hard core religious.
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No, because they believe that part of the bible. They will also have to accept that America will create anyone as a scapegoat or create lies to distort the opinions on a certain person, thing, or group of people. Another situation would be the pott situation. Every year in Illinois the D.A.R.E. program says that pott will kill you faster than Alcohol and nicotine. That pott is the supreme evil drug when America scapegoated pott.

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

[quote]No, because they believe that part of the bible. They will also have to accept that America will create anyone as a scapegoat or create lies to distort the opinions on a certain person, thing, or group of people. Another situation would be the pott situation. Every year in Illinois the D.A.R.E. program says that pott will kill you faster than Alcohol and nicotine. That pott is the supreme evil drug when America scapegoated pott[/quote]

Okay first off its Adolf not Adolfe. Second just because Hitler had Jews in his army doesn't mean that the entire country didn't hate them. Back in WWII we had containment camps for japanese civilians out of fear of spies, yet we still had some in our armies which were awarded many of the highest medals in the military including the Medal Of Honor. It's like this Hitler wants to persecute the jews persay and he still wants to conquer all of Europe he is going to need more men to join the army so he does things like this: Either you help the third reich or you die with the rest of your kind. Third what the hell would america have to gain by using Pot as a scapegoat and for what? Fourth pot can make you 50% more likely to have a heart attack, can affect your brainwaves and coordination, are mor likely to have common panic and anxiety attacks, and reduced athletic ability. You need to understand that people do tests on these things. Pot is no different from the average cigarrette, then why isn't smoking outlawed? Furthermore NOT ALL christians have a bad view on Satanism some christians dont even feel the bible is reliable.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1293733178' post='4896558']
Fourth pot can make you 50% more likely to have a heart attack,[/quote]
False, there is no study that has ever shown that. Try and find one.

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1293733178' post='4896558']can affect your brainwaves and coordination,[/quote]
This is a pretty specious claim; anything that is psychoactive including alcohol or common drugs like aspirin will "affect the brainwaves"... that's how you know it works.

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1293733178' post='4896558']are mor likely to have common panic and anxiety attacks,[/quote]
I'm not sure about that at all. It can cause paranoia but so do a lot of things, and its usually quickly passes at any rate.

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1293733178' post='4896558']
and reduced athletic ability.[/quote]
Try telling that to Michael Phelps. No, there is not a long-term correlation to reduced athletic ability. This is not shown in studies.

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1293733178' post='4896558']You need to understand that people do tests on these things.[/quote]
You need to understand that just because you heard someone quote a study, doesn't mean the study actually existed. Unless you read the study itself, from a peer-review journal, it's meaningless. Which is why I challenge you to find studies that back up any of these assertions. What you find may surprise you.

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1293733178' post='4896558']Pot is no different from the average cigarrette, then why isn't smoking outlawed?
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Societal factors. It is a proven fact that pot has less abuse potential than cigarettes, period. Here's a UK government science board research report demonstrating that alcohol is worse in every way than pot... the government completely ignores these reports, which is why it isn't legalized yet.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/31_07_06_drugsreport.pdf

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1293733178' post='4896558']
Okay first off its Adolf not Adolfe. Second just because Hitler had Jews in his army doesn't mean that the entire country didn't hate them. Back in WWII we had containment camps for japanese civilians out of fear of spies, yet we still had some in our armies which were awarded many of the highest medals in the military including the Medal Of Honor.[b]BS[/b] It's like this Hitler wants to persecute the jews persay and he still wants to conquer all of Europe he is going to need more men to join the army so he does things like this: Either you help the third reich or you die with the rest of your kind.[b]BS, he wanted to bring back the Airyan race and wipe the earth clean of non-airyans[/b] Third what the hell would america have to gain by using Pot as a scapegoat and for what?[b]Try reading up on your history you stereotypical American[/b] [i]Fourth pot can make you 50% more likely to have a heart attack, my fiance's grandfather has been smoking weed since he was in the Nazi army. Try harder[/i] can affect your brainwaves and coordination,[b] so does alcohol[/b] [i]are mor likely to have common panic and anxiety attacks,same thing dumba$$[/i] and reduced athletic ability.[b]michael Phelps as said before[/b] You need to understand that people do tests on these things. Pot is no different from the average cigarrette,[b]Huge pile of bullsh!t[/b] here then why isn't smoking outlawed?[b]because what you're saying is BULLSH!T. Provide LINKS to FACTUAL sites[/b] Furthermore NOT ALL christians have a bad view on Satanism some christians dont even feel the bible is reliable.[b]They're not Christian then[/b]
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I lost brain cells reading this post. Ladies and gents, we've officially found someone more stupid than I am.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

[quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1293598223' post='4891855']
Thank god Alexis isn't to be on in 4 days. Alright, so all Christians have to base off of that Satanist are evil is the bible so in Christian logic, Adolfe Hitler did NOT have any jews in his army. Now do your research or have me post it for you before you try to make a reasonable debate. It is only by US information that Adolfe Hitler wanted ALL jews dead as well as homosexuals and other people considered not be apart of the Airyan race. Due to limited media that I
can post. So I will post the main video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfEJrzWssqg
So now Chrisitians, if you accept that Satanist are evil. You are also going to accept that nearly everything you were taught about Adolfe Hitler is a lie.


There is also Goetic Satanism, just saying.
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1) Your comparison has no solid ground whatsoever. It's obvious that Christianity provides a view on a very small amount of Satanism, but you just tried to say the Bible stated that Jews weren't in Hitler's army. What? It seems like you were just itching to fit this bullshit about Hitler enlisting Jews somewhere.

2) Only according to the US? Are you one of those radicalism anti-American drones, because I went on a World War II tour across England, France and Germany. All of their museums paint Hitler in the same light.

3) I suggest you look into this conspiracist crap a little further before making an ass of yourself. Those men could barely be considered Jewish. They did not follow the religion, nor did they have much "Jewish" heritage.

The only real misconception is that Hitler was extremely racist. While he definitely did hold many racist beliefs, his reason for the Holocaust was that societies operate better under a single race of people, since such diversity leads to in-fighting.

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

Just because someone does not believe in the bible does not mean he isnt christian if he believes in God.

[Dark]

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1293947090' post='4905253']
Just because someone does not believe in the bible does not mean he isnt christian if he believes in God.
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Y'know, a lot of Jewish people I know believe in a god. And a lot of Muslim people I know believe in a god. Are they, too, all Christian?

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

[quote name='Lance Corporal Atlas' timestamp='1293935233' post='4904774']
1) Your comparison has no solid ground whatsoever. It's obvious that Christianity provides a view on a very small amount of Satanism, but you just tried to say the Bible stated that Jews weren't in Hitler's army. What? It seems like you were just itching to fit this bullshit about Hitler enlisting Jews somewhere.
[b]i was saying that believing the bible's sayings about this is like believing that there weren't jews in the nazi army[/b]2) Only according to the US? Are you one of those radicalism anti-American drones, because I went on a World War II tour across England, France and Germany. All of their museums paint Hitler in the same light. [b]Try finding a living nazi and hear his story[/b]
3) I suggest you look into this conspiracist crap a little further before making an ass of yourself. Those men could barely be considered Jewish. They did not follow the religion, nor did they have much "Jewish" heritage. [b]Heritage still makes them Jewish if they became jews the way they do and it's circumcision if i remember correctly[/b]The only real misconception is that Hitler was extremely racist. While he definitely did hold many racist beliefs, his reason for the Holocaust was that societies operate better under a single race of people, since such diversity leads to in-fighting.
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[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1293947090' post='4905253']
Just because someone does not believe in the bible does not mean he isnt christian if he believes in God.
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Actually, it kind of does.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

But there is no logical ground behind the comparison. It's like saying those who believe in creationism must also believe that you can't add one and one together.

I'd trust thousands of Holocaust survivors over a select amount of brainwashed nazis. I have heard about incidents where nazis [i]spared[/i] a Jewish boy and brought him around with them as a poster boy for their platoon as they went about killing Jews, but that's obviously an exception.

They weren't circumcised, they didn't follow the religion and barely had the bloodline within them. Germans have many terms for people of different backgrounds, and these second or third degree Jews were referred to as "Mischlinge". Had they been Jewish they wouldn't of served in the army. :/


[quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1293957846' post='4905492']
Actually, it kind of does.
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I think what he was trying to say, in his own tony way, is that lots of Christians nowadays no longer believe in the outwardly false stories in the Bible or pass them off as metaphors yet retain the core belief of Jesus and whatnot.

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

@Lance Corporal Atlas- Yes that is excatly what i was trying to say...
@Dark-Judaism-Yahweh
Christianity-Jahova (depending)
Islam-Allah

that is only if you wanna get technical which is what i like to do.
@JadenxAtemYAOI-Most of everything you posted involved you calling all my theories BS and the only smart thing you said was asking me to provide factual sites and i dare you to go around and ask anyone in america what hitlers purpose involving german society was and they will reply with the same Aryan race crap you presented not my theory. I will not deny hitlers obsession with the aryan people and how he spread that obsession among his people, but Hitler new he couldnt do it without some help, hes not that stupid geez. but you never answered my question what would anyone have to gain by scapegoating Pot?

[Dr. Cakey]

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1293996331' post='4906698']
@Lance Corporal Atlas- Yes that is excatly what i was trying to say...
@Dark-Judaism-Yahweh
Christianity-Jahova (depending)
Islam-Allah

that is only if you wanna get technical which is what i like to do.
@JadenxAtemYAOI-Most of everything you posted involved you calling all my theories BS and the only smart thing you said was asking me to provide factual sites and i dare you to go around and ask anyone in america what hitlers purpose involving german society was and they will reply with the same Aryan race crap you presented not my theory. I will not deny hitlers obsession with the aryan people and how he spread that obsession among his people, but Hitler new he couldnt do it without some help, hes not that stupid geez. but you never answered my question what would anyone have to gain by scapegoating Pot?
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[s]Jahova[/s] Jehovah was a mistranslation of Yahweh, which is generally translated as "the one who is always present" or "I am" rather than an actual name.

Anti-Semitism was already rampant in Germany and around the world, due primarily because of their role in the New Testament of executing Jesus. Additionally, old customs forced most of them to take on the job of money-lending, that is, giving people loans. Seeing as at this point, Germany's economy was so far in the tubes that the value of a loaf of bread could be in the thousands or millions, people asking for interest were not looking like very nice people. I didn't actual go and watch the video, and I suppose I should have, but there's some facts.

Pot was scapegoated because hemp was a serious competitor to other grains and tobacco.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1293996331' post='4906698']
but you never answered my question what would anyone have to gain by scapegoating Pot?
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Anti-government types tended to use it.

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

finally a good answer...

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='tonymann' timestamp='1294106939' post='4910262']
finally a good answer...
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lol. You were given multiple good answers throughout this thread. You just ignored them.

BTW, still waiting on that proof that pot causes heart attacks.

[BehindTheMask]

1) I belief my morality to be good/correct, or I would not belief in it.
2) If something contradicts my believes, then they must be, by default bad or incorrect
3) There is only relative good and bad.
3) X directly contradicts my believes.
4) Therefore, X is bad.

[Felix Culpa]

There is nothing wrong with satanism. There's nothing wrong with anything. Or anyone. Hitler was an okay guy and serial killers are right in their own mind. A debate on the moral ethics of humanity is definitely not going to be very productive for other side as you can say on either side of the debate that the person thought that they were in the right state of mind when they did whatever they wanted. I'm not saying that satanism is bad, and I have no idea what they believe. I'm not prejudiced against them, as I try to be level-minded when listening to anyone's beliefs. Except those that have no profound grounding.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='Felix Culpa' timestamp='1295077806' post='4935458']
There is nothing wrong with satanism. There's nothing wrong with anything. Or anyone. Hitler was an okay guy and serial killers are right in their own mind. A debate on the moral ethics of humanity is definitely not going to be very productive for other side as you can say on either side of the debate that the person thought that they were in the right state of mind when they did whatever they wanted. I'm not saying that satanism is bad, and I have no idea what they believe. I'm not prejudiced against them, as I try to be level-minded when listening to anyone's beliefs. Except those that have no profound grounding.
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I don't think most serial killers have "profound grounding" either.

[CinnamonStar]

Wait, is this topic about pot or about Satanism now?;_;

[quote name='BehindTheMask' timestamp='1294127616' post='4910790']
1) I belief my morality to be good/correct, or I would not belief in it.
2) If something contradicts my believes, then they must be, by default bad or incorrect
3) There is only relative good and bad.
3) X directly contradicts my believes.
4) Therefore, X is bad.
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Well this is actually a simple and honest answer.:S And answers pretty much everything in the topic.;-;

FelixCulpa: I actually tried to dodge the question of moral ethics because that'd probably warrant a new topic and 20 more pages on its own. And went more for stuff like "what is good/bad/logical/illogical/practical in the Satanic Bible", I guess that's the only debate we can really go for here.

But I'm confused about where you'd start defining "profound grounding". Do we have the right to decide when a religion is justified enough to be accepted or isn't it mostly the personal view that matters? I'm iffy about the whole classification on "sects" and accepted religions too. As far as I'm aware, any religious person can defend his/her purposes with some kind of grounding, even to a point that we can't prove them right or wrong.

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

Satanism isn't necessarily seen as "bad" Horror and scifi horror make good movies and are very popular. Twilight, Harry Potter, Halloween, and many other movies are seen as popular and "Satanistic" things are seen in these movies depending on your Christian interpretation. Child's Play is about black magic and putting a serial killer into a doll. Harry Potter is about an undead wizard trying to kill a little boy with magic. Twilight has vampires. Even the fake spiritual experiences you can have here in New Orleans has these and a lot of customers are Christians. Satanism is only seen as "bad" because the top religions include Jeaudiasm and Christianity/Catholicism. In Europe, North America, and parts of South America these religious beliefs are popular.

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

Wow havent been here in awhile, I must say I learned so much about this religion in the past year both from my own research and this debate and my decision would have to be...



I feel that Satanism, LaVey Satanism, Goetic Satanism, Luciferianism, and any others are acceptable religions and are in no way bad...

[Organized Chaos]

[quote name='Halubaris Maphotika' timestamp='1296416932' post='4974483']
Wow havent been here in awhile, I must say I learned so much about this religion in the past year both from my own research and this debate and my decision would have to be...



I feel that Satanism, LaVey Satanism, Goetic Satanism, Luciferianism, and any others are acceptable religions and are in no way bad...
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I agree. People should not judge others on their religions , especially if the religion in question has been getting bad publicity from the media, as you can believe what you want to believe. Most people are dependent on information so they rely n the truth-twisting parasites we know as media executives or whatever you call them these days. I personally am an Atheist but i dont go up to people in the streets and go "Ha ! youre god doesnt exist !" Just because a person worsipss in a deity that is thought as the cause of all pain and sin on this earth ,doesnt mean that that induviual is bad themselves. I rest my case