reaperdeath Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 So, if I equip Ring of Magnetism to The Wicked Avatar, does his effect override the change? [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090520144338/yugioh/images/7/77/TheWickedAvatarJUMP-EN-UR-LE.png[/img] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090523153559/yugioh/images/0/07/RingofMagnetismDB2-EN-R-UE.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowferret Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Go to the Q&A thread for this. And yes, I'm pretty sure his effect would override the spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 [img]http://mahopa.de/bilder/lustige-forenbilder/thread-hijack.jpg[/img] Discuss on the 3 Wicked Gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 The Wicked Gods are terrible Avatar > Dreadroot > Eraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Avatar's effect will ALWAYS adjust to X + 100, where X is the ATK of the strongest monster on the field. Weaken it all you want, it will always be supreme in battle. The Wicked Gods are fun, but meh. Eraser is horrible, Dreadroot's rather cool, and Avatar's the best, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 By the way, can Honest override Avatar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 [quote name='=Evangelion=' timestamp='1290469916' post='4803998'] By the way, can Honest override Avatar? [/quote] I will reiterate: [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1290443904' post='4803009'] Avatar's effect will ALWAYS adjust to X + 100, where X is the ATK of the strongest monster on the field. Weaken it all you want, it will always be supreme in battle. The Wicked Gods are fun, but meh. Eraser is horrible, Dreadroot's rather cool, and Avatar's the best, simple as that. [/quote] Avatar's effect is continuous. It will always adjust before any further steps in anything occurs. The only way to defeat Avatar in Battle is to negate its effect. You can never, ever overpower it otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Eraser has no reason to exist. Dreadroot is epic. Avatar is cool I made a FrogVatar deck Also, good story: At a local tourny... This guy summons Dreadroot.Attacks, ends. Other guy Normal Summons Winged Kuriboh. He played Creature Swap. LULZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1290470631' post='4804023'] I will reiterate: Avatar's effect is continuous. It will always adjust before any further steps in anything occurs. The only way to defeat Avatar in Battle is to negate its effect. You can never, ever overpower it otherwise. [/quote] Oh... Sorry and thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I wonder if people on Wc10's wifi will think Honest defeats Avatar. They triple Honest, Avatar auto-kills them regardless, they rage-quit. And then a few minutes later a topic on GameFAQs will appear saying [duelist [X]] is a cheater because of [oblivious to rulings-reason] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 This card would be godly if it could be special summoned. Its the only truly playable card of the wicked series. Fear the black hole, singularity, modern art, wutisthisIdonteven monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 [quote name='TheTurtleOnceCalledGod' timestamp='1290479131' post='4804412']modern art[/quote] You draw a big black circle and add some texture stuff using the computer to give it a shiny look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1290470631' post='4804023'] You can never, ever overpower it otherwise. [/quote] 2nd Wicked Avatar oh snap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 [quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1290564312' post='4806317'] 2nd Wicked Avatar oh snap [/quote] The official ruling is that both Avatars would have the ATK of the highest ATK monster on the field, so they would have equal ATK to one another. They do not create an infinite loop (for some reason). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 Because that would ruin the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1290564433' post='4806326'] The official ruling is that both Avatars would have the ATK of the highest ATK monster on the field, so they would have equal ATK to one another. They do not create an infinite loop (for some reason). [/quote] Both Avatars would have equal ATK. If they're the only monsters, they'd each have 100 ATK. The Wicked Avatar excludes "The Wicked Avatar" during its check of the highest ATK monster on the field. That's all "The Wicked Avatar" cards. So yes, the only card that can defeat The Wicked Avatar in battle without negating one of the effects is...another The Wicked Avatar. That does not quite counter my point that it's impossible to overpower Avatar, since in this case, a monster impossible to overpower in battle fights to a draw with another monster impossible to overpower in battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 I had forgotten the little "Wicked Avatar" rule in there. I just remembered that there was a thing about using Hero Mask for infinite ATK, but obviously it's an illegal move, since unbreakable loops are not allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 It's also ruled that you can't change a card's name w/ Mask in the hopes of removing limitations set to cards of a certain name (Fairy Archer, Avatar) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 I don't see why you had to say that, but okay << EDIT: Apparently the ruling is that even if you change its name, it still wont count for its own effect. I guess in this case the game is stopping itself from breaking while still allowing you to use your strange combos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1290565519' post='4806363'] It's also ruled that you can't change a card's name w/ Mask in the hopes of removing limitations set to cards of a certain name (Fairy Archer, Avatar) [/quote] That was the worst FTK ever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderVolt Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1290477065' post='4804329'] I wonder if people on Wc10's wifi will think Honest defeats Avatar. They triple Honest, Avatar auto-kills them regardless, they rage-quit. And then a few minutes later a topic on GameFAQs will appear saying [duelist [X]] is a cheater because of [oblivious to rulings-reason] [/quote] I would honestly like to see this. Also Avatar + Last Turn = Profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebihp2007 Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 There is apparently one way of overpowering The Wicked Avatar in battle .. quoted from Yugioh Wiki: [quote]* The Wicked Dreadroot: When "The Wicked Dreadroot" and "The Wicked Avatar" are both on the field, whichever monster was Summoned last has its effect applied. If "The Wicked Avatar" is Summoned after "The Wicked Dreadroot", "The Wicked Avatar"'s ATK/DEF are not halved. If "The Wicked Dreadroot" is Summoned after "The Wicked Avatar", "The Wicked Avatar"'s ATK/DEF are halved.[10] [/quote] Though I don't really get that (nor am I sure it is true, but hey, it's on the Wiki).. Shouldn't it be like: Dreadroot is summoned, Avatar's ATK is halved.. Dreadroot's ATK is higher, so Avatar gets Dreadroot's ATK +100 .. EDIT: source of the wiki ruling is the Konami FAQ [url="http://yugioh.faq.konami.jp/EokpControl?&lang=en&tid=39272&event=FE0006"]here[/url], but it's a Japanese text, so hey .. EDIT2: [quote]Avatar + Last Turn = Profit [/quote] Oh, that would be evil .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 Hmm...the Wiki should be wrong there. There is no reason why the monster summoned LAST gets to trump the other. They're both Continuous Effects. This isn't like Skill Drain vs Jinzo (whichever is active first trumps the other), because that's a matter of negating the other. I'm going to try to find an official ruling on that, but I believe that since Avatar's ATK is based on the strongest monster on the field, its ATK will reapply even if Dreadroot halves it, because otherwise it's not following its own Continuous Effect, while Dreadroot is halving Avatar, it's just not lasting because of Avatar's effect. If Dreadroot set an absolute value for the monsters it affected, then that Wiki entry would work. Avatar's effect does set an absolute value (X + 100). EDIT: Official ruling is Avatar supersedes all other ATK/DEF modifiers that try to interact with it. It was released alongside Dreadroot, so you'd think if the Wiki was correct, there would be a mention of "Except Dreadroot" in the ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giga Hand Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 What's the best way to summon these guys? I was thinking Cloudians, they have staying power and Turbulence can swarm Smoke Balls. Maybe Blackwings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 "You can Tribute Summon "The Wicked Avatar" or "The Wicked Dreadroot" by Tributing "Double Coston" and one other monster" So you could run Frogs with Coston for a 2-Tribute summon. Only problem is getting Coston on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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