Something i have noticed about my fav TCG

[magician lily]

I now this is not going to fly well with alot of people, but here it goes. So plz take it easy on me. I have been playing Yu-Gi-Oh for ten years now. As time has gone on Decks starting to become less and less imaginative. In more recent weeks I have found more and more to support me on this theory. I was looking over some of the tourny winners. One of the tournys winners in this order. 1st X-saber, 2nd Black wing, 3rd X-Saber, 4th Black-wing. The list is getting large i could list quite a few. Arcana Force, E-heroes. the list is huge. I am not putting this into the same slot as decks based on types or attirabutes (yes i now i miss spelled that.) decks. The other thing is the game is becoming more about over powering than the thinking part of the game. When I first started i was 12 years old. Back then you really had to put more thought into the game and building your deck. Now you just go through you cards look at a name, like Arcana force. Get all you got of those creatures single out the ones you want to keep and the ones you don't keep. Then you find the supporting spell and traps, a couple of staple cards and throw them together. This is only my thoughts on the subject. I do now that there still is stradagey still left in the game,

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

1. You're going to get a lot of tl;dr for this (too long;didn't read). Just press enter somewhere in there, make it 2 paragraphs.
2. Please try to use proper spelling/grammar. It makes your argument far more valid.

Anyway, I agree and disagree with what you are saying. I'll start with the disagree first. I disagree that there is no strategy left in Yu-Gi-Oh. The game is all about strategy. The problem is that people only use the same basic strategies because they only want to win. There is no variety anymore. Personally, I use a Six Samurai deck but I've also used many character themed decks and other basic ones for fun. What I agree with however is the overall message of what you are saying, which is that game has become repetitive because of the lack of variety in the meta. That's because with every new set comes a brand new, more powerful archetype or single card that makes all the past cards that we've come to love outdated.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

The top decks doesn't really have anything to do with the variety of decks, though there is a large amount of copy decks. This is true for most all tournaments, you must learn. Once a good deck is made, lots of people like to copy it and use those cards, because they know that deck type can win. A lot of people don't care as much about playing and having fun as winning, but what can you do?

I am a heavily Anti-Meta person, to the extent that I felt dirty for putting Quickdraw Synchron in my deck (which I only did so I could use my Warrior Synchros, not having the proper Synchrons for them). However, people are always going to, and always have, copy the Meta decks. However, it's interesting to note that a couple of recent tournaments had some surprising decks make it to the top. Anti-Meta made second place, Gravekeeper's won 3 out of 4 of the top slots, and so on and so forth.

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

This game is nothing but Strategy.

It's just that the Top Tier decks have strategies which are much easier and faster to implement.

Although there is a large array of various types and things, not all are really usuable. Perhaps for fun and such yes, but if you play competitvely,
alot of the slower, more fun-orientated decks never stand a chance.

However, what your saying has no relevance to anything really, your just stating opinion which we don't really need.

Discuss the changes in Decks over the years?

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Well, I will take this as an opportunity to talk about something I noticed myself:

Decks used to commonly run 19-21 monsters and 7-10 traps. Nowadays, people seem to like running 16 or less monsters, and traps for a very long time went down to a minimum. They're starting to make a comeback again, but people are still using a small amount. It's all about spells these days, it seems... Perhaps it's because of the large variety of removal people shove in their decks. Almost feels like any deck that Special Summons a lot could win if they shoved all the same generic spells and traps in there.

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

Well, if we are going to discuss the changes in decks, I guess I can make some opinions as a person who doesn't play officially but has been around since the beginning.

The biggest changes are in speed and power of decks. In old decks, power = the card with the higher ATK (for the most part). As time progressed, power's meaning shifted to the card with the better effect or the card that is more useful. High ATK cards are, with a few exceptions, all but useless. As for speed, the old game was relatively slow and duels could last for a long time. Now, most duels won't go past 8 turns (and that is optimistic) because everyone focuses on OTK's and even FTK's when possible. The strategy is still there, but the game has always been repetitive, but it was only repetitive in the old days from a lack of options. Now it's repetitive because every new Set is meant to bring out cards to replace the old ones (which, from a selling standpoint is exactly how I would do it, because otherwise the product would sell much less). It's just sad to see most of the old archetypes become impossible to play.

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

Spells tend to add speed.. the game is very much about speed.

Generally, depending on the deck, i usually see an even ratio of monsters: spells: traps

often numbers like 18: 11: 11 (only Quickdraw and Lightsworn are exceptions)

it's up to a players style more or less. some prefer more of a beatdown, some like
defensive plays through Traps others like Speed which incorporates Spells.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Yes, I realize that. I'm just saying, it's sort of annoying to me that it has come down to such a quick game that having so little monsters is considered an okay thing.

Also, I've noticed people like to use cards a lot that have heavy costs, making the games last even longer... It was funny, because I won once because my opponent had paid down to 900 Life Points and they attacked my Marshmallon.

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

Well, I don't like it anymore than you do slayer, but I can't really flaw the reasoning. In most strategy games, it often comes down to whoever strikes first and hardest wins. :/ I just duel to have fun, plus I'm not in to the whole competition thing atm, so I'll stick to the long drawn-out duels. [/personalopinion]

[magician lily]

First let my say sorry for the grammar and misspellings. I'm working on that. I will say i was completely wrong to say there is no more strategy. I'm sorry about that. It to me is leaving. I remember me and two other friends a long time ago. Hand drew a god card, put the drawing into a card sleeve in front of another card. It was so hard to do anything when one of use played on. Now there is nothing to this feat anymore. I do know as time goes on, cards will get stronger and better. It's just a lot of them are so over powered it not funny. The first ones to come to my mind is wicked cards that i have. Mainly the the wicked eraser. At least Dread root has a down side. Again I am sorry about spelling and grammar and if I said anything that upsets anyone. These are just my thoughts. You could take it or leave it.

[Legend Zero]

^Calling the Wicked God cards OP'd completely ruined your argument.

[byak]

The top 4 at my locals is usually Debris/Frog Monarch/GB/Machina Gadgets

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

really?
the top 4 for me is Sabers Sabers Blackwing and Me (whatever i decide to run )

I have a boring meta.....

[King of Nothing]

I get your argument and actually agree, except rather then saying a lack of stratagy, you should say that decks today have a lack of versatility. In most instances, decks are otk with a single stratagy and if you get rid of that stratagy they're done. That's why so many decks focus on protecting a single card.

I liked the old stuff. After Pharaoh's Servant it started becoming less fun (IMO)

[sebihp2007]

That is honestly because of the introducing of imbalanced Archetypes and, later, making 90% of the winning Decks Archetype-only ..

Go post an original Deck anywhere that doesn't rely on a current popular Archetype and all of the replies you're gonna get are going to be like "This Deck is Stupid .. X Archetype (/card) easily beats it"

[Birkeland]

[quote name='Ghostmyth' timestamp='1291217148' post='4822326']
I liked the old stuff. After Pharaoh's Servant it started becoming less fun (IMO)
[/quote]

I think that was around the time that Archetypes were introduced. IMO, that was when the game started to become less fun. Today everything is archetype-specific (as in X-Sabers or Blackwings, not WATER or RFP decks. These are [i]themed[/i] decks).

[Brinolovania]

[quote name='ze super cat' timestamp='1291213325' post='4822279']
The top 4 at my locals is usually Debris/Frog Monarch/GB/Machina Gadgets


[/quote]
Mine's along the lines of Scraps/More Scraps/Scrap Zombies/one or two random crap decks that get there by beating the other random crap decks.

And sometimes Machina Gadgets if I get lucky.

[byak]

itt: we discuss wat usually tops our locals.

[Father Wolf]

[quote name='ze super cat' timestamp='1291260525' post='4823639']
itt: we discuss wat usually tops our locals.
[/quote]

Scraps/X-Sabers/GBs/Plant Synchro... Last week Lightsworn Hopeless topped 4 lol wat < normally lol

I was going to post a topic about how bad players think this way... and this only supports my argument. The game is heavily skill based thanks to DAD Return, and LS getting the ban hit they needed. GK's, Scraps, most quick-draw decks (like Volcanic versions) and i hate to say it GB's needs a lot of skill not to miss play. JD and Blackrose are the only LOL i play 1 card and F-U up. But im not saying YGO is a perfect game, neither is MG or Pokemon, and Dual masters... need i go on?

[King of Nothing]

[quote name='Father Wolf' timestamp='1291263600' post='4823690']
Scraps/X-Sabers/GBs/Plant Synchro... Last week Lightsworn Hopeless topped 4 lol wat < normally lol

I was going to post a topic about how bad players think this way... and this only supports my argument. The game is heavily skill based thanks to DAD Return, and LS getting the ban hit they needed. GK's, Scraps, most quick-draw decks (like Volcanic versions) and i hate to say it GB's needs a lot of skill not to miss play. JD and Blackrose are the only LOL i play 1 card and F-U up. But im not saying YGO is a perfect game, neither is MG or Pokemon, and Dual masters... need i go on?
[/quote]
Typical "You don't like what I like therefor you are bad" argument. Also, skill isn't going "Oh hey this won a tournament" then using that deck. Everything "strategic" has been done before. I don't run a strategic deck, its speed synchro. I have to say that the only times i use strategy are on the little combos like what I send to the grave with quickdraw or foolish burial. Sure the deck wins, but it's not really fun.

[Legend Zero]

[quote name='Ghostmyth' timestamp='1291268677' post='4823761']
Typical "You don't like what I like therefor you are bad" argument. Also, skill isn't going "Oh hey this won a tournament" then using that deck. Everything "strategic" has been done before. I don't run a strategic deck, its speed synchro. I have to say that the only times i use strategy are on the little combos like what I send to the grave with quickdraw or foolish burial. Sure the deck wins, but it's not really fun.
[/quote]
You do run a strategic deck....you said it yourself, the strategy is to quickly synchro.

[Mehmani]

Another week, another "The meta is terrible" whiny thread. Piss off, no one cares, we've heard it all before. The TCG is all strategy, all the top meta decks are top meta decks BECAUSE of having the best strategy. If you think that the meta is so overpowered, then why are you playing?

[HaouJudai]

[quote name='Sephiroth_The_Legend' timestamp='1291194215' post='4822063']
This game is nothing but Strategy.

It's just that the Top Tier decks have strategies which are much easier and faster to implement.

Although there is a large array of various types and things, not all are really usuable. Perhaps for fun and such yes, but if you play competitvely,
alot of the slower, more fun-orientated decks never stand a chance.

However, what your saying has no relevance to anything really, your just stating opinion which we don't really need.

Discuss the changes in Decks over the years?
[/quote]
I agree that the slower, more fun oriented decks never stand a chance lately. I think that people can set their self esteem aside at times and just play a deck they enjoy regardless of performance. They are bound to win a couple of duels if they have any amount of skill. I will usually go 2-2 in any 4 rnd tournament with Evil Heroes. There are far better builds but I have my pet build that I enjoy.

I think the answer here isn't going to ever come from konami - it has to come from within the person. Run the low tier deck and grade it's value to you on an eccentric scale if you can take the beatings you're going to have to endure in stride. If you want to actually win and be competitive then you have to subscribe to the staple archetypes, combos and konami profit motivated cards such as Warning and POD.

[byak]

[quote name='Ghostmyth' timestamp='1291268677' post='4823761']
Typical "You don't like what I like therefor you are bad" argument. Also, skill isn't going "Oh hey this won a tournament" then using that deck. Everything "strategic" has been done before. I don't run a strategic deck, its speed synchro. I have to say that the only times i use strategy are on the little combos like what I send to the grave with quickdraw or foolish burial. Sure the deck wins, but it's not really fun.
[/quote]

>implying quickdraw does not require skill

[King of Nothing]

[quote name='ze super cat' timestamp='1291304065' post='4824117']
>implying quickdraw does not require skill
[/quote]
>implying it takes skill to send bolt from your hand to the graveyard