Face McShooty Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Ritual of the Matador Ritual Spell Card Effect: This card is used to Ritual Summon "Archfiend Matador". You must also Tribute monsters whose total Levels equal 6 or more from the field or your hand. Picture:[URL=http://img98.imageshack.us/i/300pxritualofthematador.jpg/][IMG]http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3971/300pxritualofthematador.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Archfiend Matador DARK Fiend/Ritual/Effect Level 6 ATK 0 DEF 0 Effect: This card can only be Ritual Summoned with the Ritual Spell Card, "Ritual of the Matador". This card cannot be destroyed by battle. You take no Battle Damage from battles involving this card. Destroy an opponent's monster that battles with this card at the end of the Damage Step. Picture: [URL=http://img440.imageshack.us/i/300pxarchfiendmatadorvg.jpg/][IMG]http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8318/300pxarchfiendmatadorvg.jpg[/IMG][/URL] In my own opinion, I think its OP'd because "Matador" has 0 ATK and 0 DEF but can't be destroyed, you don't take any damage, and you destroy any monsters that attack it... discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 The artwork on Matador's Ritual Spell is just pure badass [quote name='jad2342' timestamp='1292276561' post='4849812'] In my own opinion, I think its OP'd because- [/quote] Catastor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face McShooty Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Catastor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 [quote name='jad2342' timestamp='1292276768' post='4849827'] Catastor? [/quote] [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100726073804/yugioh/images/thumb/d/d6/AllyofJusticeCatastorHA01-EN-ScR-LE.jpg/300px-AllyofJusticeCatastorHA01-EN-ScR-LE.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face McShooty Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 what about it? Archfiend Matador is DARK so it can't destroy it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 [quote name='jad2342' timestamp='1292277027' post='4849842'] what about it? Archfiend Matador is DARK so it can't destroy it.... [/quote] It does the same job better, and people will just spam effect destruction to kill Matador anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 While I appreciate it that YCM is finally trying to analyze card balance again, repeating the card effect is not an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face McShooty Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 how does it do the same job better? look at Matador's ATK and DEF... 0/0 and it destroys ALL monsters.... DARK, LIGHT, WIND, etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1292277169' post='4849851'] It does the same job better, and people will just spam effect destruction to kill Matador anyways. [/quote] Dont use effect destruction as a counter argument, as Catastor can die to the same thing. Catastor pretty much makes as much sence as Matador, but Catastor is a lot easier to play(on its own), and therefor, a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1292277429' post='4849868'] Dont use effect destruction as a counter argument, as Catastor can die to the same thing. [/quote] My argument is that the destruction by battle doesn't exactly make it invincible. The trade-off is between battle destruction immunity and the ability to actually deal damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face McShooty Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 yeah good point because to get a level 6 or high monster (if you want to just make one tribute) you'd have to Tribute 1 or more monsters just to get that level 6 or higher out and it'll take... what? 2 turns (at least) to get a Tuner and a non-tuner out on the field to Synchro Summon Catastor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 [quote name='jad2342' timestamp='1292277745' post='4849894'] it'll take... what? 2 turns (at least) to get a Tuner and a non-tuner out on the field to Synchro Summon Catastor [/quote] I can do that in one turn without using my Normal Summon. :/ As long as Catastor exists, this is outclassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 [quote name='jad2342' timestamp='1292277745' post='4849894'] yeah good point because to get a level 6 or high monster (if you want to just make one tribute) you'd have to Tribute 1 or more monsters just to get that level 6 or higher out and it'll take... what? 2 turns (at least) to get a Tuner and a non-tuner out on the field to Synchro Summon Catastor [/quote] Most commonly used Tuners now-a-days easily Special Summon themselves and/or Synchro materials from the Graveyard, OR, just Special Summon themselves from the hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 [quote name='jad2342' timestamp='1292277745' post='4849894'] yeah good point because to get a level 6 or high monster (if you want to just make one tribute) you'd have to Tribute 1 or more monsters just to get that level 6 or higher out and it'll take... what? 2 turns (at least) to get a Tuner and a non-tuner out on the field to Synchro Summon Catastor [/quote] Obviously doesn't play good players....or average. Ex: Use plaguespreader zombie's effect.....normal summon a level 3.......castastor.....in 1 turn. EDIT: DAMN!!! Why do I get ninja'd everytime I post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 TC has yet to use Ritual Djin's as a counter argument. Owait, I already mentioned them, and robbed him of the chance to do so. On there own, both cards are pretty much the same. Catastor, on the other hand, has a faster effect and is easier to bring to the field, as you dont have to dedicate any deck space to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face McShooty Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1292277844' post='4849902'] Obviously doesn't play good players....or average. [/quote] I haven't dueled anyone since they came out with these Tuners or Synchros... so idk you can do what has been stated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Archfiend Matador is comparable to Yubel - The Ultimate nightmare, same attribute, same ATK/DEF, same effect (apart from summon conditions), except this card is somewhat easier to summon than the Yubel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 [quote name='$super**$star**$silver$' timestamp='1292278870' post='4849953'] Archfiend Matador is comparable to Yubel - The Ultimate nightmare, same attribut, same ATK/DEF, same effect (apart from summon conditions), except this card is A LOT easier to summon than the Yubel. [/quote] OT: I like this guy...he likes the same anime Cards I do like... =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Catastor + 2200 ATK + Super splashable + Easy to summon at the cost of a -1 + Kills every non-DARK it can battle + Kamikazes with Grand Mole - 2200 ATK (Bottomless) - Gets eaten by bigger DARK monsters - Stardust slap him in the face. Matador + 0 ATK (No bottomless, ducks Messenger of Peace) + Kills everything it can battle + Laughs at Stardust. + Pretty danged good wall. - Ritual Summon (-2 in most cases) - Can't deal damage - Have to build a deck around it - Grand Mole bounces it unharmed I would love to run Matador when they give rituals [i]a bit[/i] more support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 [quote name='Zkaiser' timestamp='1292283793' post='4850247'] Catastor + 2200 ATK + Super splashable + Easy to summon at the cost of a -1 +Kills every non-DARK it can battle - 2200 ATK (Bottomless) - Gets eaten by bigger DARK monsters - Stardust slap him in the face. Matador +0 ATK (No bottomless, ducks Messenger of Peace) +Kills everything it can battle +Laughs at Stardust. +Pretty danged good wall. -Ritual Summon (-2 in most cases) -Can't deal damage Have to build a deck around it I would love to run Matador when they give rituals [i]a bit[/i] more support. [/quote] You forgot one of Catastor's plusses. "It's always in your hand." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 That's kinda what I meant with super splashable. He's in every good Extra Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 And to Matador + Both him and the Ritual can be grabbed by preparations of Rites + Djinns Gives him some more effects to play with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 [quote name='Zkaiser' timestamp='1292284082' post='4850264'] That's kinda what I meant with super splashable. He's in every good Extra Deck. [/quote] Those are two different point entirely. Splashability is one thing, always having access to it when you need it is another. [quote name='-Dae-' timestamp='1292284178' post='4850268'] + Both him and the Ritual can be grabbed by preparations of Rites [/quote] When being compared to a Synchro, searchability means nothing unless it makes him easier to summon than the Synchro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 I love how people are passionately debating about wheter Catastor or Matador is better. DARK means it has support like Contract with Abyss (Gives additional Ritual Summon options) and 0 ATK means it can be summoned with Limit Reverse (If you Ritual Summon it first that is...). Why doesn't Konami print this card already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 I actually "remade" this card in one of my written cards threads. It's a pretty cool card that I wish was out. Would be yet another useful Ritual. Sad it has to be Dark, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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