Exceed Summon

[evilfusion]

Every Machine Emperor topic reiterates the same thing. No need to discuss them again. We know how they'll affect Synchro play: Until Synchros get phased out by a non-Machine Emperor mechanic, they're usable. If Synchro hype dies, the Machine Emperors will be side-decked at most, except maybe Wisel.

[Buttercup]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1292349479' post='4852066']
If I recall correctly, doesn't Magic ban complete sets, and part of its entire concept revolve around cards that screw the rules in inventive ways?

Yu-gi-oh at least tries to implement new mechanics, but it's not that easy after 11 years, to keep introducing mechanics and making them strong enough to be considered without making one deck or archetype supremely overpowered. The banlist tries to regulate this with debatable success.

This seems to be Synchros, a bit more restrictive, but more of a benefit if you succeed, using the deck/hand rather than Extra Deck. Synchros are still better until we see evidence of their labors.
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i hear that "cards that screw the rules in inventive ways" is a synonym for "cards with new mechanics"

MTG has been doing that for years, and the core sets still offer a far wider and balanced variety than the enitirety of Yugioh.

i guess so

[evilfusion]

No, I meant Magic cards override the normal rules in bizarre ways, and can do things that don't even make sense in the normal context of a game. Apparently one card could legally be ripped to shreds and sprinkled over your opponent's to remove them all from play. And one card evidently says "Target player loses" and the user pointed to someone other than his opponent. This was legal.

Granted, the above stories were told to me secondhand, so I dont know if they're true.

[.Nu-13]

MTG even has a card with effect "You can't lose the game, and your opponent can't win the game"

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1292352199' post='4852158']
No, I meant Magic cards override the normal rules in bizarre ways, and can do things that don't even make sense in the normal context of a game. Apparently one card could legally be ripped to shreds and sprinkled over your opponent's to remove them all from play. And one card evidently says "Target player loses" and the user pointed to someone other than his opponent. This was legal.

Granted, the above stories were told to me secondhand, so I dont know if they're true.
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Those are actually joke cards. They have a TON of those in MTG. It's actually illegal to rip up the card, since your deck would no longer have the cards you said were in it there, and this could also potentially allow you to have a deck 1 card size smaller (or 4 if you ran max copies).

MTG does have a legal card that activates its effect if you crow like a rooster, though. Just like WoW's game has one that activates if you yell "Leeroy Jenkins" at the top of your lungs.

[Master Hyperion]

[s]WOOHOO ZOMBIE FORMAT 2.0[/s] Sounds really underwheling so far, but that's probarly we haven't seen the monster yet and we still have no clue if the monsters that are used for the summon are actually send to the grave first or are immedialy attached to the exceed monster.

[quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1292352344' post='4852167']
MTG even has a card with effect "You can't lose the game, and your opponent can't win the game"
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You're thinking of Platinum Angel, but in order to even place it on the field, you have to tap 7 lands for it. Doesn't help that it only has 4/4 either.

[Buttercup]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1292352199' post='4852158']
No, I meant Magic cards override the normal rules in bizarre ways, and can do things that don't even make sense in the normal context of a game. Apparently one card could legally be ripped to shreds and sprinkled over your opponent's to remove them all from play. And one card evidently says "Target player loses" and the user pointed to someone other than his opponent. This was legal.

Granted, the above stories were told to me secondhand, so I dont know if they're true.
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all of those cards are banned

[.Nu-13]

[quote name='Dark Armed Duelist' timestamp='1292352851' post='4852185']
You're thinking of Platinum Angel, but in order to even place it on the field, you have to tap 7 lands for it. Doesn't help that it only has 4/4 either.
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Yeah, that guy.

I don't know much about MtG, so I guess that being 4/4 for 7 lands isn't worth the effort?

[Legend Zero]

[img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100725051933/yugioh/images/thumb/e/e4/RekindlingANPR-EN-C-UE.jpg/300px-RekindlingANPR-EN-C-UE.jpg[/img]

It might finally hit the list.

[.Nu-13]

Maybe... knowing Konami, it won't

[evilfusion]

I don't play Magic. I just meant it's not the best example of a game that constantly introduces good, fun new mechanics. The whole shtick of Magic seems to be messing with pre-defined rules and laughing that you ever thought there were concrete rules. Yu-gi-oh tries to operate with less absurd flexibility, which is why our game doesn't introduce tons of awesome mechanics every set. It would be ruling hell for a game that already has ruling hell.

[White Void]

[quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1292348566' post='4852039']
Am I the only one here which actually LIKES the new concept?
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I like it, while I love the concept of synchros and their flexibility, I've grown a bit disenchanted with just how flexible the majority are and how they've taken the game by storm. Exceeds seem like something that won't be used by everyone but have potential in dedicated builds, not really splashable but theoretically worth the deck investment depending on effects. I think they'll bring more diversity to the game in terms of how certain existing cards are used and how varied deck construction can be. Seems like ZEXAL plans to slow the game down a bit from what 5D's did for how fast decks are these days.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Well, since this is getting a bit off-track, this will be my last post on the current subject of MTG:

I think that the main reason MTG can be so absurd is because it's much more original and flexible than YGO is. You're also running on resources, so you can't pull off a bunch of really big moves just because you have the cards for it like you can in YGO. It should be obvious enough that the games are much different in the way they operate due to the fact that they have a ton of cards with the effect "Draw 1 card" along with an additional effect. As far as going outside the rules, you're right in that respect, where they don't care as much about adherence of rules as gameplay, but this is also because MTG is one of the most iconic and recognizable card games out there and they can afford to have fun rather than stay completely serious... Plus, you make enough cards you eventually have to think outside the box.

[.Nu-13]

Ok, from now, anyone who posts off-topic will be negged

[Buttercup]

There's no point in talking about it anyway as there's so much we don't know.

[White Void]

[quote name='Ser Warjacksworth' timestamp='1292355114' post='4852286']
There's no point in talking about it anyway as there's so much we don't know.
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There's more point in discussing something that is going to happen to the game than all the random never going to come out anime/manga cards that are discussed regularly on this board...just saying.

True it all is just hypotheticals and conjecture right now though.

[.Nu-13]

Guys, I just realized that Tokens WORK with Exceeds and they STACK. Why?

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If that Excess Summon would be negated you can [b]send all Released monsters to the graveyard instead of Overlaying them to prevent the Summon from being negated.[/b]
When an Excess Monster is Exceed Summoned, [b]the monsters released for it are Overlaid on that card.[/b] For the purposes of a real duel this means that the released monsters are stacked underneath the Excess Monster while it remains on the field.
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So, monsters Tribted for Exceed don't even leave the field. So, Tokens can stack!

WOOHOO!

[Manjoume Thunder]

lol usual ycm hype

[Buttercup]

[quote name='Le Pierrot' timestamp='1292355743' post='4852310']
There's more point in discussing something that is going to happen to the game than all the random never going to come out anime/manga cards that are discussed regularly on this board...just saying.

True it all is just hypotheticals and conjecture right now though.
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No. With anime/ manga cards we have a decent impression of how they're going to work if they come to the TCG. Discussing these is like discussing Synchros back when we didn't know what Tuners or Synchros were going to come out and if we didn't know like 50 rulings for them.

[quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1292356426' post='4852333']
Guys, I just realized that Tokens WORK with Exceeds and they STACK. Why?



So, monsters Tribted for Exceed don't even leave the field. So, Tokens can stack!

WOOHOO!
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We still need a ruling.

[quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1292356655' post='4852342']
lol usual ycm hype
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You'll rue your reservation of judgment when ExceedDAD is Tier 0 everywhere.

[HaouJudai]

so sending the overlaid monsters to prevent an excess summon from being negated is at a spell speed of 3?

[White Void]

We still don't know enough rulings or actual info to say anything about Tokens but if that's how it ends up working...Blockman, one of my favorite useless cards, finally has a use

Also discussing possibilities =/= YCM Hype. YCM Hype is saying Machine Emperors will stop synchros from being used >_>

[.Nu-13]

@judai - Technically, yes

[byak]

Debris Dragon seems like the best card for lv8 Excess.
And possibly Flamvells and Hydrogeddon.

[.Nu-13]

[quote name='ze super cat' timestamp='1292357433' post='4852370']
Debris Dragon seems like the best card for lv8 Excess.
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What good Level 4 can he revive?

[White Void]

[quote name='ze super cat' timestamp='1292357433' post='4852370']
Debris Dragon seems like the best card for lv8 Excess.
And possibly Flamvells and Hydrogeddon.
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Phantom Skyblaster also seems rather useful for a level 8 if Tokens do in-fact work.