byak Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [center][img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080919195740/yugioh/images/thumb/0/05/SinisterSerpentSDD-EN-ScR-UE.jpg/300px-SinisterSerpentSDD-EN-ScR-UE.jpg[/img][/center] Should it really be @0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 It's not really game-breaking, IMO. It's just that infinite skill-less card advantage is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderVolt Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Should be at zero. Good infnite discard abuse is good (not really infinite but you know) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Chess Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 It is banned because of [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Tribe-Infecting_Virus"]this[/url]. But I think it could be at limited. Don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [quote name='War Chess' timestamp='1294440521' post='4918420'] It is banned because of [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Tribe-Infecting_Virus"]this[/url]. But I think it could be at limited. Don't know. [/quote] Which is also banned. It's banned so that we don't get infinite discard fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted January 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Which explains why Treeborn Frog is banned so we don't have infinite tribute fodder. Come on YCM really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Hurr hurr, now all my "Discard 1 card to do 'x'" effects are at least +0's. Never come off the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Overrated. Could be fun to see it @1 for a format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [quote name='ze super cat' timestamp='1294440743' post='4918436'] Which explains why Treeborn Frog is banned so we don't have infinite tribute fodder. [/quote] Treeborn requires that, for at least the turn before reviving it, that you lack a backrow. Sinister Serpent has no such restriction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted January 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Treeborn has a much wider range of use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [quote name='ze super cat' timestamp='1294443479' post='4918557'] Treeborn has a much wider range of use. [/quote] That much is true as well. That's why I said at the beginning that I didn't think it was game-breaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I'm not sure for this one. I think they should try it at 1 for 6 months and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [quote name='Psycho Shocker Android' timestamp='1294445561' post='4918649'] I'm not sure for this one. I think they should try it at 1 for 6 months and see what happens. [/quote] ERROR 404 : KONAMI LOGIC NOT FOUND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1294447911' post='4918741'] ERROR 404 : KONAMI LOGIC NOT FOUND. [/quote] idgi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuffyLaxer Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Quickdraw Abuse? maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Gengar Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Tell us your opinion. I can't actually find an example where this is extremely abusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [quote name='ze super cat' timestamp='1294440743' post='4918436'] Which explains why Treeborn Frog is banned so we don't have infinite tribute fodder. [/quote] Oh you [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1294440942' post='4918443'] Hurr hurr, now all my "Discard 1 card to do 'x'" effects are at least +0's. [/quote] Would this [i]REALLY[/i] encourage people to run more "Discard [X]" to do [Y]" cards? OWAIT, INFERNITYS EXIST NOW. [quote name='Red_Gengar' timestamp='1294452943' post='4918962'] I can't actually find an example where this is extremely abusable. [/quote] Give you excuse to maindeck Phoenix Wing Wind Blast in 3s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Konami should put this at 1 for just 1 format for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Infinite discard abuse is pushing it. Contrary to what Griffin said earlier, this card is not overrated. YCM underrates this card, hence why some of them think it's fine to put infinite discard abuse @1 for a laugh. Treeborn requires you to lack a backrow and although it has wider uses, it's uses are not as abusable as this card's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I want to play Genex Formula Monarchs with this and loads of Raigeki Breaks/Wing Blasts/Karma Cuts in the draw phase... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Could be fun @1 for a format... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I liked to think that treeborn is not banned because in the fast paced games that we had, slow monarch plays hardly mattered. Now with the rise of frognarchs and fish otk, I think that treeborn is just as broken (if not even more) as this. Maybe konami can ban treeborn and unban this for a format. I don't want to see both unbanned at the same time because of decks like: [quote]Genex Formula Monarchs with this and loads of Raigeki Breaks/Wing Blasts/Karma Cuts in the draw phase... [/quote] edit: you can get this, use every pwwb/break you have in the standby phase and get a treeborn after you empty your backrow, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I was thinking more along the lines of ban Treeborn give us this guy, but Treeborn contributes much more to the game so idk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 IMO keep it banned and ban treeborn aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 If it was a case of either Treeborn @3 with SS banned or SS @3 with Treeborn banned, I think I'd go for the first scenario. Infinite tribute fodder is bad, but infinite discard fodder is far, far worse. I made a topic about this card a couple of months back and the opinions were all along the lines of "Should stay @0. Period.". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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