Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 More than likely, Konami will ban nothing to actually save the meta and probably unban something stupid like Heavy Storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaouJudai Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 I doubt heavy will be back but it is lolnami - Does anyone think miracle fusion will be limited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 No. With Zero illegal in most countries........ it's almost pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 [quote]With Zero illegal in most countries........[/quote] Zero is legal in Europe. Just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Bagon Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Call of the Haunted @2 or 3 If Monster Reborn is gone why should this be at 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 [quote name='Lightning Bagon' timestamp='1295897596' post='4957596'] Call of the Haunted @2 or 3 If Monster Reborn is gone why should this be at 1? [/quote] Disagree. Monster Reborn @1. In terms of stuff to ban: [b] Black whirlwind[/b]: Instant +1 for just summoning something. [b]Gateway of the six[/b]: With the new Elite six sams coming out, this'll be broken to heck. Limited: [b]Gungnir[/b]: If Brionac is limited, why isn't this? This isn't generic, but has a better effect. Semi-Limited: No changes Unlimited: [b]Mystical Space Typhoon[/b]:It's not bad...with Heavy gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted January 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 [quote name='Shard Of Stardust' timestamp='1295899195' post='4957682'] Disagree. Monster Reborn @1. In terms of stuff to ban: [b] Black whirlwind[/b]: Instant +1 for just summoning something. [b]Gateway of the six[/b]: With the new Elite six sams coming out, this'll be broken to heck. Limited: [b]Gungnir[/b]: If Brionac is limited, why isn't this? This isn't generic, but has a better effect. Semi-Limited: No changes Unlimited: [b]Mystical Space Typhoon[/b]:It's not bad...with Heavy gone. [/quote] Seriously, stop talking. You'll be of much better use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 [quote name='Placido.' timestamp='1295907653' post='4958057'] [quote name='Shard Of Stardust' timestamp='1295899195' post='4957682'] Disagree. Monster Reborn @1. In terms of stuff to ban: [b] Black whirlwind[/b]: Instant +1 for just summoning something. [b]Gateway of the six[/b]: With the new Elite six sams coming out, this'll be broken to heck. Limited: [b]Gungnir[/b]: If Brionac is limited, why isn't this? This isn't generic, but has a better effect. Semi-Limited: No changes Unlimited: [b]Mystical Space Typhoon[/b]:It's not bad...with Heavy gone. [/quote] Seriously, stop talking. You'll be of much better use. [/quote] Did you really just say BWW and Gateway shouldn't be banned? Did you really just say MST shouldn't be at 3? Please don't just go lol, stop being a noob and give reasons why you think we're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Bagon Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Sorry with monster reborn gone on this list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted January 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1295911575' post='4958287'] Did you really just say BWW and Gateway shouldn't be banned? Did you really just say MST shouldn't be at 3? Please don't just go lol, stop being a noob and give reasons why you think we're wrong. [/quote] u mad brah? Aww a mod is butthurt Also I never said that, I was referring to Gungir and Reborn. Also, because I'm to update with the meta unlike yourself, you'd know the Gateway isn't a stupidly broken card. In multiples, yes it is. On it's own it's really not that bad. It's just good support, unlike Black Whirlwind which is the sole reason that blackwings are the top deck. Black Whirlwind deserves to be banned but the only reason I've had for it is; hurr durr it's broken I'm still iffy on MST to 3. S/T Destruction isn't like Monster Destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaouJudai Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I think shard is just a young duelist. In time he will learn. (puts shard on his back and runs through swamp on a distant planet) now to business - anyone that thinks gateway isn't getting hit and limited is crazy. OCG has had this set since what? November? It's wrecking. So they already know what needs to be done. My friends are terrorizing me telling me Miracle Fusion is being limited but they do that every new banlist. With Nova Master/Escuridao coming I'm actually worried - but it's not happening now. I'd really like to see cold wave banned. Konami pumped monsters up with every card effect known to man so it really needs to go. Reborn should go. We have call of the haunted. It went from topdeck brain for game to topdeck reborn for game. Dark Hole is fine - Absolute Zero is better anyways. Heavy probably needs to come back. Opening hand set 5 and 1 monster gg gets old REALLY FAST. It's been lolzy without heavy but you sold your damn solemn warnings konami - cut it out already I can't address royal oppression - I run heroes. We HATE that card. Pot of Duality and Solemn Warning- hmmmmmm how much money to be made vs. how much money if we leave the game this broken - that's the issue with those 2 cards. I could see POD actually go to 2 like D Draw did. We have trap card draw power coming - Warning will be hit but not until after it gets the gold treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Read the post again. I said Ban: BWW Gateway Limited: Gungnir Ab0 Unlimited: MST. @Haou: I started playing again like a month ago, so I sort of forgot everything ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Royal Oppression? Should be banned. Or bring Heavy Storm back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1295973805' post='4959729'] Royal Oppression? Should be banned. Or bring Heavy Storm back. [/quote] Agreed. Royal Oppression @0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 [quote]Please don't just go lol, stop being a noob and give reasons why you think we're wrong.[/quote] Haha. You are not the one to tell that someone is a noob. You are f***ing awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Personally, I would like to call a Limit on this card. I believe Semi-Limiting this card is not enough. [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100721233006/yugioh/images/thumb/a/ad/Deworlen%2CTigerKingoftheIceBarrierHA02-EN-ScR-1E.jpg/300px-Deworlen%2CTigerKingoftheIceBarrierHA02-EN-ScR-1E.jpg[/img] I Believe that sending monsters back to the hand, then activating this card, can increase this card's attack to a stupid level. Let's not forget how fast the majority of WATER decks special summon. You may not agree with me on this, but oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted January 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 [quote name='Shard Of Stardust' timestamp='1295977003' post='4959836'] Personally, I would like to call a Limit on this card. I believe Semi-Limiting this card is not enough. [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100721233006/yugioh/images/thumb/a/ad/Deworlen%2CTigerKingoftheIceBarrierHA02-EN-ScR-1E.jpg/300px-Deworlen%2CTigerKingoftheIceBarrierHA02-EN-ScR-1E.jpg[/img] I Believe that sending monsters back to the hand, then activating this card, can increase this card's attack to a stupid level. Let's not forget how fast the majority of WATER decks special summon. You may not agree with me on this, but oh well. [/quote] You don't know why this was semi'd do you? and no, you have no grasp and what cards are good and what are not. This doesn't deserve to be limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I misread it ._. I thought you could send monsters from the Opponent's side. Excuse my dumbness there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Snowman Forest makes Dewloren awesome. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siDHmpFBZ0k[/media] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Wow, I want to build that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Placido.' timestamp='1295943708' post='4959320'] u mad brah? Aww a mod is butthurt Also I never said that, I was referring to Gungir and Reborn. Also, because I'm to update with the meta unlike yourself, you'd know the Gateway isn't a stupidly broken card. In multiples, yes it is. On it's own it's really not that bad. It's just good support, unlike Black Whirlwind which is the sole reason that blackwings are the top deck. Black Whirlwind deserves to be banned but the only reason I've had for it is; hurr durr it's broken I'm still iffy on MST to 3. S/T Destruction isn't like Monster Destruction. [/quote] Why would I be butthurt about your comment on some one else's post? Fake edit: Never mind, I know what happened. I goofed when I made the post. Then point that out. When you label the whole post is a fail then you make it seem like everything in the post is a fail. But will Gateway fair when the whole meta gets changes? Stop thinking in terms of "this meta" and start thinking in terms of "the meta the ban list will make." Yes, using the current meta acts as a good base, but tons of other broken cards are hiding under the surface waiting for a chance to spring up and become the next problem cards. Gateway could easily end up as one such card. If your arguing that a card is bad for the game you can't say "derp, it's broken". You need a reason. BWW reason is it turns all BW into better Gadgets. Dropping any decent sized BW allows you access to almost any of the Blackwings in your deck in your deck. It also allows you to maintain advantage even if the BW you just dropped dies cause you've already replaced him. The reason I say Gateways needs to go is because it acts very much like that with it's second effect. While it is somewhat delayed I can't see it being hard to drop 2 SixSams on 1 turn. Even if you can't, you can just do it the following turn and tutor up any Six Sam from your deck allowing you to maintain advantage and momentum in much the same way BWW does. MST is basic 1 for 1 removal. What makes being able to kill 1 S/T so bad the card would need list attention? [quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1295975218' post='4959773'] Haha. You are not the one to tell that someone is a noob. You are f***ing awful. [/quote] I never ment called him a noob. I forgot to add quotes to cut things off. I wanted it to read "lol, stop being a noob." That was my mistake. But the fact remains, don't just say something. BACK IT UP. What makes me awful? Is it that I'm participating in a banlist discussion and not knowing what's going on in the current meta? That isn't uncommon practice, in fact I've always done this. Is it that I couldn't see Cold Wave as a "broken card" right off the bat? Maybe, but one mistake isn't enough to label me awful. Is it my position on other card? Most likely, but how could I know. So please, explain to me why am I "f***ing awful". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 ^ Placido, Byakk, and Manjy generally are just better than your average Yugimoners. It's pretty much a decree now that anything they say goes. Although, calling somebody "f***ing awful" is just stupid in its own sense, but hey, we're all human, right? *looks around* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1296011323' post='4961328'] ^ Placido, Byakk, and Manjy generally are just better than your average Yugimoners. It's pretty much a decree now that anything they say goes. Although, calling somebody "f***ing awful" is just stupid in its own sense, but hey, we're all human, right? *looks around* [/quote] Just being good at the game doesn't mean they know how to make a ban list. Placido said he couldn't put into words what makes BWW broken, but in a ban list thread you NEED that skill and honestly BWW problem is one of the easier ones to see. Hell, it's funny that he said that since in the very first post he said people need to "JUSTIFY their reason" for wanting a card banned. And I know I'm not good at this. But seeing as how I've been at this for a while now I'm by no means bad. But to get back on topic, I called out Stardust a while ago and only one person challenge it. I rebutted him and it has since been left alone. So lets bring that topic back. Stardust Dragon is a horribly designed and belongs at 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birkeland Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Stardust is mainly a destruction counter card, and those are good for the game. Yes, to Summon a monster and continually be able to prevent your opponent's bigger plays may seem unbalanced, but to Summon it at the right time requires careful planning and strategy. Similarly, while BRD seems to be an unbalanced field nuker, you need to play it when it counts or it could set you back a turn and cost you the duel. Both Stardust and BRD are fine at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name='ekikin' timestamp='1296014585' post='4961457'] Stardust is mainly a destruction counter card, and those are good for the game. Yes, to Summon a monster and continually be able to prevent your opponent's bigger plays may seem unbalanced, but to Summon it at the right time requires careful planning and strategy. Similarly, while BRD seems to be an unbalanced field nuker, you need to play it when it counts or it could set you back a turn and cost you the duel. Both Stardust and BRD are fine at 3. [/quote] Cards that counter destruction are good for the game. Cards that repeatedly stop destruction aren't. Now put that card on 2500 ATK point legs you have a card that gives the person facing it a major up hill battle. Why do you need careful planning and strategy to summon Stardust? Even without it's effect your getting a 2500 beater meaning it runs over a good portion of the creature based of the game so you'd want that as soon as possible normally. The fact that you don't need to fear cards with the word "destroy" in the text only takes away from planning and strategy used to summon it since once it's out it's not a cake walk to remove. At 3 it's totally gone since if you loss one it's not like its a challenge to summon another. Also another of Stardust is it promotes people to overextend since they no longer fear mass removal and that isn't good for the game. Yes, timing is important for BRD, not for Stardust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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