Goodnight Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name=':: -OmeGa DeviL- ::' timestamp='1298323742' post='5024311'] old OCG rule is old One of my friends told me that in Japan they don't have priority effects and that we should not have priority effects too, we lul'd of course. [/quote] They do have that rule. That's how they are changing it. Can't change a rule if the rule never existed in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name=':: -OmeGa DeviL- ::' timestamp='1298323742' post='5024311'] old OCG rule is old One of my friends told me that in Japan they don't have priority effects and that we should not have priority effects too, we lul'd of course. but now, if they gonna apply this to the TCG, then F**k them. [/quote] -sigh- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Strange. I guess programmers for the non-Japanese versions of the WC games added the whole priority mechanic to the games before releasing them to their respective regions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name=':: -OmeGa DeviL- ::' timestamp='1298323742' post='5024311'] old OCG rule is old One of my friends told me that in Japan they don't have priority effects and that we should not have priority effects too, we lul'd of course. but now, if they gonna apply this to the TCG, then F**k them. [/quote] There is no way you're serious. How about reading a thread before being an idiot? Owait, your priority rules are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1298324794' post='5024357'] Strange. I guess programmers for the non-Japanese versions of the WC games added the whole priority mechanic to the games before releasing them to their respective regions. [/quote] The Japanese versions still have priority. The dude was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodnight Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I friend told me that he heard from someone that you can place monsters in face-down attack position in the OCG and evilfusion was being sarcastic, burnpsy lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='Goodnight' timestamp='1298325168' post='5024376'] I friend told me that he heard from someone that you can place monsters in face-down attack position in the OCG [/quote] XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1298325055' post='5024371'] The Japanese versions still have priority. The dude was wrong. [/quote] I know, I was being sarcastic by suggesting that if priority doesn't exist in Japan, that means the instances of priority documented in the WC games wre added solely for the non-Japanese releases of the game. Obviously, that isn't what's happening, because priority does exist in Japan. I could have worded it more cleverly/obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 People keep blaming things on Exceeds... But what I think is really going on is Konami is trying to stop field wipes (though it doesn't stop all of them, obviously). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Good thing TCG can have rules different to those of the OCG... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1298326039' post='5024420'] People keep blaming things on Exceeds... But what I think is really going on is Konami is trying to stop field wipes (though it doesn't stop all of them, obviously). [/quote] But what they did to Book and Goyo has given everyone good reason to think that Exceeds are to blame for this. Especially since this comes into effect at the exact moment that the first 3 Exceeds are coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodnight Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1298326039' post='5024420'] But what I think is really going on is Konami is trying to stop field wipes (though it doesn't stop all of them, obviously). [/quote] They're doing everything in their power to keep Blackwings in power so they can keep releasing 2-3 new crappy BW monsters every set! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 With this ruling comes the banning/limiting of bottomless, I'm sure. Something tells me that this change is somehow Exceed-related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I considered another thing. Maybe this priority thing is to simplify some of the game rulings, especially in regards to how potential responses affect activated effects. For example, Summoning Zombie Master. You can use priority to discard a monster and target a Zombie. Then your opponent gets a shot at responding either to the effect or the Summon. With new priority, you Summon it, ask your opponent if they respond, and if they don't, then you can use Zombie Master's effect. In this sense, it makes the game a little more clear as to whether your opponent's rushing their plays or whether you actually could have responded to prevent it. I've seen cases where someone's Summoned Brionac, didn't [i]outright[/i] declare priority, and when Bottomless got flipped, saying something to the effect of "Well, I still discarded this due to priority and bounced that" and designated a card. I've been guilty of similar plays myself, with my opponent rushing to respond to a Summon and me "happening" to have used priority to minimize my losses, regardless of whether I intended to use priority. To avoid doing this, I usually ask if they declared priority BEFORE flipping a response, but some people don't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 I don't think that Exceeds have anything to do with this, Goyo or even Book of Moon. Konami is just doing some spot checking on iffy sections of the game. Goyo was mad broken and we all knew it. Everyone just got used to it. Book of Moon was a HIGHLY versatile card with both defensive and offensive capabilities. Now, with this new ruling, it's the best legal Spell Card in the game and at 3 it would be nothing short of devastating. Though, I wouldn't have had a problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodnight Posted February 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 problem with that theory is that there are way more "broken" cards that aren't getting banned or limited. DAD,JD,Brionic, BTH, Solemn Warning are all way more hurtful than goyo/book though I don't buy the Exceed reason either entirely, because they brought Chaos Scorcerer up from 1 to 2, and that disposes of Exceeds with ease. I just can't comprehend what and why the ban cards anymore. Bringing back Monster reborn and banning Heavy Storm still puzzles me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Book of Moon "Stop any monster play by your opponent" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'm surprised Reborn is still unbanned. I was SURE they'd ban it again like clockwork. Seriously, though: Heavy Storm was a horrible card and we should be glad that it's banned. Yes, it does make overextending on S/Ts less dangerous, but it also lets WAAAAAY more decks and strategies flourish. We still have Giant Trunade and other Trap hate like Trap Stun and Royal Decree. Although now, Crimson Hell Secure is pure evil. I actually dont have too many issues with the list but Overload Fusion @ 2 is confusing as hell. The priority rule change is just something to adjust to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Translation: [quote]□ ■ Notice of rule changes in effect starting monster ■ □ Thank you for patronage from Yugioh OCG in a play. Niokimashite Yugioh OCG is like an exciting duel 頂Keru enjoy our clients, Have you ever caused a rule change taking into account the balance per card, This time, I will inform you as follows on the effects of the rule changes because there is a monster start. ◆ ◆ rule change effective date March 19, 2011 (Sat) For this rule change, there'll Yugioh OCG "starter deck" on March 19, 2011 release date for like (Saturday) will be applied from. ◆ ◆ Rule Changes ● Before Change Start the effects of monsters, summoning monsters (special summon summon inverted) that can be invoked when successful. ● After changing Start the effects of monsters, summoning monsters (special summon summon inverted) at the time you can not activate successfully. Starting the monster effects ※ Basically, unless specified otherwise not be effective in the main phase that can be activated. When the process is complete, and some effect, the imposition of a particular time in the end it is not one action. Rule until March 18, 2011 to summon monsters (special summon summon reverse) and can be ordered at the end of exercise in a specific action since March 19, 2011 when the monster in Starting the effect will not trigger the rule change.[/quote] OCG Terms are wierd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 ...Is it saying this doesn't apply to Special Summons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='Shard Of Stardust' timestamp='1298343240' post='5025274'] Translation: [insert google translate translation] OCG Terms are wierd. [/quote] No, that's what happens when you use Google Translate (I used Google Translate and got the same result). It seems the new rule is effective upon the deck Starter Deck release. It's just going to be a new thing to help kick off ZeXal. I like the rules change, but it will take a while to get used to. It will make gameplay experience more enjoyable. No more "I summon my monster", "I bottomless", "I was going to call priority to use its effect" and/or "Exiled Force, call priority to get rid of your monster", "Trap hole", "Can't, it's off the field already." Honestly, how would a small mercenary army avoid a trap hole? Seriously? Overall, I think this rule change is better for the game as well. For one thing, it should slow it down a little bit. @griffin: not really. It says that you'll have to wait until after Bottomless/Torrential timing to activate an ignition effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Before Change Start the effects of monsters, summoning monsters [b](special summon summon inverted)[/b] ● After changing Start the effects of monsters, summoning monsters [b](special summon summon inverted) [/b] When the process is complete, and some effect, the imposition of a particular time in the end it is not one action. Rule until March 18, 2011 to summon monsters [b](special summon summon reverse)[/b] Was referring to the bold'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 This ruling change is good for the game, and is how it should have been from the beginning. Makes much more sense, gameplay-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodnight Posted February 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Lets go back to oooold school yugioh! I summon Harpies Brother and attack your face down monster! Oh no! Damn you, Mystical Elf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaouJudai Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='Sephiroth_The_Legend' timestamp='1298302430' post='5023494'] i'm thinking they're doing it for the younger generation. alot of kids don't understand what priority means..... but i have mixed feelings about it... i like it and i don't like it..... hopefully it's not true..... but i have a feeling it is. [/quote] Agreed. I finally get Prisma as a cost to get around bottomless but now I can't call prio to get to dump. .....sigh On the other hand this was a critical decision by konami to curb the massive power creep that began with phantom darkness - I'm glad to see it. This stabilizes the yugi power economy and we're no longer on a bubble that's about to burst like the housing market. You can thank Bakugan and their re-invention of a spinning top that's as old as modern man for this. (hmm how far back do cards go?) konami is getting their legs literally swept out from under them in their own demographic which is kids. They can't sustain this game just on the competitive players alone. The majority of yugioh is purchased by families and by kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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