FTW (For The Wynn) Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [spoiler=Open This for lulz][img]http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/84cced65_b35d_5c9e.jpg[/img][/spoiler] Yeah, so anyway, there are a lot of theories behind it. Don't go quoting Charles Darwin to me, he was mostly incorrect anyway. Also, evolution is still just a theory, not truly a fact. Scientists still debate it. So, why can we cover this and not various forms of religious beliefs in school (except for certain college courses)? You don't have to believe it, but you should know it and respect it imo. PS: No flaming. You can explain and whatever, but follow the rules. Controversial topic is controversial, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 I'm pretty sure evolution is true to some extent, since they [i]do[/i] have the proof. The real question's how the first life form was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted April 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Don't mistake what I said for a lack of belief in it. I'm just stating facts in the first post. Here's another one: Humans are [b]not[/b] descendants of monkeys or apes. However, the "proof" is subjective at best. There are many "missing links" and other such gaps in the theory that don't make sense. However, adaptive evolution or whatever you wish to call it exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
六兆年と一夜物語 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Evolution is when you gain enough experience and reach a certain level... owait, wrong thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sleeping Dude Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 yeah such as this [img]http://getgood.typepad.com/getgood_strategic_marketi/evolution.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 The opening post is just as true if you replace the word "evolution" with "gravity" in all instances. Gravity is just a theory; the exact mechanism is debated; and various religions have competing explanations that aren't taught in school due to evil liberal bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1302253250' post='5122448'] Also, evolution is still just a theory, not truly a fact. [/quote] Common rhetoric, easy answer you won't listen to. Theory is practical exchangeable with fact in science. Gravity is a theory too, you dense creationists, so if you're not going to listen to reason and simply cover your ears when someone speaks it, don't go about responding to an argument you can't comprehend. Fossils date the Earth to be well over six thousand years old. Fossils show progressive development of complexity. Logic points towards genetic inheritance and slow changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1302253250' post='5122448'] So, why can we cover this and not various forms of religious beliefs in school (except for certain college courses)? You don't have to believe it, but you should know it and respect it imo. [/quote] Um... Evolution [i]is[/i] covered in school? O_o Whatchoo talkin bout? Also, I really don't have to respect it. Maybe I should, but that really is up to me, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1302253250' post='5122448']Don't go quoting Charles Darwin to me, he was mostly incorrect anyway. Also, evolution is still just a theory, not truly a fact. [/quote] Darwin mostly incorrect?! Says who? Sources or it's BS. [s]Gravity is also "still just a theory".[/s] Crab beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Starrk Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1302253250' post='5122448'] [spoiler=Open This for lulz][img]http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/84cced65_b35d_5c9e.jpg[/img][/spoiler] So, why can we cover this and not various forms of religious beliefs in school (except for certain college courses)? You don't have to believe it, but you should know it and respect it imo. [/quote] Because this is about the closest theory to being correct, so therefore, schools teach it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1302253250' post='5122448'] So, why can we cover this and not various forms of religious beliefs in school (except for certain college courses)? You don't have to believe it, but you should know it and respect it imo. [/quote] It's funny because my school covers both topics [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1302254727' post='5122462'] Here's another one: Humans are [b]not[/b] descendants of monkeys or apes. [/quote] Humans descending from monkeys/apes is not implied in evolution. It says that we come from a species that eventually became both humans and monkeys. What that species looks like we still have no idea, or if that species even exists. I just want to point out that evolution does not outright say we came from apes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1302254727' post='5122462'] Here's another one: Humans are [b]not[/b] descendants of monkeys or apes. [/quote] No one's arguing with you there. [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1302254727' post='5122462'] However, the "proof" is subjective at best.[/quote] Proof of what? No credible scientist has come up with the above conclusion. [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1302254727' post='5122462'] There are many "missing links" and other such gaps in the theory that don't make sense. [/quote] Let's say I gave you a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle and told you that if you could guess what it was I'd give you a hundred dollars. But, just to be a troll, as always, I took out 5 random pieces. So once you have the 995 pieces of the puzzle, would you suddenly go "f[orget] it, it's impossible to comprehend" and throw the puzzle away without even attempting to rationale what you could? I mean, you had most of the picture, just a few of the details were missing. That's what evolution is like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1302253250' post='5122448'] You don't have to believe it, but you should know it and respect it imo. [/quote] No, we shouldn't. Religion has done [b]-nothing-[/b] to deserve respect. [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1302254727' post='5122462'] There are many "missing links" and ot- [/quote] no No [b]NO.[/b] Stop right there. This line of reasoning RIGHT HERE is all I need to know that you have not done any actual research on the subject and are only parroting what you have been told. Do some research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Now that that's cleared up, let's discuss a question that has a less obvious answer: FTW: Moron... or troll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1302279311' post='5122818'] Now that that's cleared up, let's discuss a question that has a less obvious answer: FTW: Moron... or troll? [/quote] I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's the latter and not the former >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1302279311' post='5122818'] Now that that's cleared up, let's discuss a question that has a less obvious answer: FTW: Moron... or troll? [/quote] I wasn't aware there is a difference between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 I'm sure Darwin isn't 100% correct, but there has to be some degree of truth to it all. Even back then you can't pull crap out of thin air and expect people to believe it. Me, I feel there's not enough evidence to prove humans aren't descendents of apes and monkeys, but right now you can argue either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1302282032' post='5122886'] Me, I feel there's not enough evidence to prove humans aren't descendents of apes and monkeys,[/quote] There is absolutely zero proof that humans have descended from monkeys. Humans and monkeys share a common ancestor. That's it. If your grandfather had two kids, a boy and a girl, and they both went on to marry two different people and had you and your cousin, you're not gonna say "I evolved from my cousin". It's "my cousin and I share a common ancestor, grandpa." Basics of evolution IMO. > > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 I didn't say it's PROOF we came from monkeys, I'm merely saying there's a link between the species. How specific that link is remains to be seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted April 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Sorry if I come off as either a moron or a troll. My intentions are neither, as I have not said what I believe nor why. You merely assumed it. As for Darwin being incorrect, his thought process behind evolution was incorrect. But that's understandable. He did his work in the mid 19th century, and a lot has changed since. @Frunk, as soon as I recall the names, I shall give them to you. As for the smaller issue of me being a moron or a troll, just assume I'm the moron and go at it. @Zarkus, yes, there are missing links that aren't easily explained. Yes, I am aware that in Africa there is a chance of finding these links, as Australopithicus afarensis (aka Lucy) was found to be a link that was long considered the earliest link. I recommend you all read The Third Chimpanzee by Jared Diamond. It is not a pleasure read, but it can be quite stimulating. Also, it's almost a standard for Anthropology 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 I do believe in evolution to some extent so therefore it exists according to my religious beliefs... BTW I heard there was someone before darwin who propsed the theory but Darwin got more attention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted April 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 If there is, I have not heard of him or her. That's not surprising though, as I am unfamiliar with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [quote name='Halubaris Maphotika' timestamp='1302283980' post='5122928'] I do believe in evolution to some extent so therefore it exists according to my religious beliefs... BTW I heard there was someone before darwin who propsed the theory but Darwin got more attention... [/quote] Do you know who that person is? I can't think of it off the top of my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1302284905' post='5122945'] Do you know who that person is? I can't think of it off the top of my head [/quote] No I only heard bits and pieces I dont know the whole story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 it's ok. Then you happen to know where online to find it? Maybe I can look it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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