FTW (For The Wynn) Posted April 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Interesting enough idea. When was it started? What kind of followers does it have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 It is fairly a new theory but it has its own website noetics.org Dan Browns new book The Lost Symbol talks a lot about Noetics and what they believe... It is being adapted into a film and when it does I feel we will have a lot more followers or "researchers" depends which way you take it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 do you know when the film will get released? I may want to see it for the evolution theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1302295194' post='5123281'] How Darwin's theories cannot support the evolution of life at a cellular level. [/quote] Micro vs Macroevolution much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted April 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Sounds like an interesting movie idea. Same question as ragnarok, do you know when?[quote name='Icyblue' timestamp='1302306709' post='5123637'] Micro vs Macroevolution much? [/quote] True that, but I was paraphrasing from a review of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospel. Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 [quote name='Darkplant' timestamp='1302254353' post='5122457'] I'm pretty sure evolution is true to some extent, since they [i]do[/i] have the proof. The real question's how the first life form was born. [/quote] [url=http://wiki.evageeks.org/LCL]This. Uh huh.[/url] [url=http://wiki.evageeks.org/Lilith] Or dare I say it....this?[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1302306800' post='5123639'] Sounds like an interesting movie idea. Same question as ragnarok, do you know when? [/quote] some time in 2012.. But you should read the book if you want ALL the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1302294364' post='5123257'] Scientific Theory is something that has yet to be proven wrong. Science cannot prove anything, merely disprove it, and until something has been disproven it is considered correct. [/quote] There is an invisible blue dragon that breathes fire in my room. You can't disprove its existence, and because science cannot prove anything, I can therefore not prove that I actually have one. You'll have to take my word for it. Now, is this invisible blue dragon as legitimate as the theory of gravity or evolution? Seriously, sometimes I wonder where people get these stupid ideas from. [quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1302302437' post='5123504'] Cambrian Explosion. [/quote] I remember learning about that in biology, but I barely learned a thing in biology. To my knowledge of what the Cambrian Explosion is, the "answer" to that question doesn't affect whether evolution is a perfectly viable, legitimate, and truthful theory. It is just a gap in our full knowledge of evolution. No matter what the result of the Cambrian Explosion question is, unless it unlikely says that we were all created and did not evolve (which is completely unlikely), the main point is that evolution does not have any lingering questions. We pretty much have speculated how it works, and we know that it does work- and is currently at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 This goes in Debates guys. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted April 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1302311618' post='5123774'] This goes in Debates guys. Seriously. [/quote] At this point, it almost should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1302311618' post='5123774'] This goes in Debates guys. Seriously. [/quote] If this goes into debates its going to die like everything else that gets put in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 To be honest, I don't even know what you people are arguing about. You guys started bashing religion before anyone even brought it up, so could be a little less butthurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1302313168' post='5123839'] To be honest, I don't even know what you people are arguing about. You guys started bashing religion before anyone even brought it up, so could be a little less butthurt? [/quote] Your telling people to be less butthurt in a religious debate? *facepalm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='Halubaris Maphotika' timestamp='1302313728' post='5123875'] Your telling people to be less butthurt in a religious debate? *facepalm* [/quote] You think anyone who questions evolution is based solely on religion? *facepalm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1302314112' post='5123899'] You think anyone who questions evolution is based solely on religion? *facepalm* [/quote] No, but I can tell you that the majority of people who don't believe in evolution are devout followers of some religion. If you are loosely tied to any given religion, chances are you are going to follow scientific theories and laws as much as the next guy, assuming the next guy isn't a radical moron. There are even a few atheists that question evolution, but they don't believe in creationism by a supreme being. A lack of belief in evolution is not tied with strong religious beliefs, but they go together nine times and then some out of ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1302314112' post='5123899'] You think anyone who questions evolution is based solely on religion? *facepalm* [/quote] No I dont where did you get that idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 That's kind of what I meant. This is not a religious debate, it's a discussion on evolution. Hell, no one has even argued against evolution and still you people fail to leave religion out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1302316265' post='5124008'] That's kind of what I meant. This is not a religious debate, it's a discussion on evolution. Hell, no one has even argued against evolution and still you people fail to leave religion out of it. [/quote] Did you not just hear me say that the majority of people who do not believe in evolution are devout believers of a certain religion? It goes without saying that the more religious you are, the less likely you are to believe scientific theories and facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1302316364' post='5124011'] Did you not just hear me say that the majority of people who do not believe in evolution are devout believers of a certain religion? It goes without saying that the more religious you are, the less likely you are to believe scientific theories and facts. [/quote] Ah, but what you just said is not a scientific theory, but a theory based on your own observations. The point is, you guys went f***ing ape on religion before anyone even mentioned not believing in evolution or even anything close to it. Regardless of what you say, I do not flaunt my religion on this site, nor do I attack atheism. You seem perfectly comfortable flaunting your beliefs, (or lack thereof,) and attacking other beliefs. I'm not saying you shouldn't do that or anything, but please lay off on the shots at me. I get it, I'm an idiot, an extremist, and I believe in unicorns, but repeating yourself isn't going to help anything. Sooo.... Peace and love bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1302316655' post='5124022'] Ah, but what you just said is not a scientific theory, but a theory based on your own observations. The point is, you guys went f***ing ape on religion before anyone even mentioned not believing in evolution or even anything close to it. Regardless of what you say, I do not flaunt my religion on this site, nor do I attack atheism. You seem perfectly comfortable flaunting your beliefs, (or lack thereof,) and attacking other beliefs. I'm not saying you shouldn't do that or anything, but please lay off on the shots at me. I get it, I'm an idiot, an extremist, and I believe in unicorns, but repeating yourself isn't going to help anything. Sooo.... Peace and love bro? [/quote] And I think I've observed enough of a trend to make such a claim with a high amount of certainty. No one would dare challenge me on that claim because they would think it is correct, too, without even making any observations. If Cambridge did a survey of five million people, it could be proven that my small-scale observations are true. We did not go ape on religion, but whenever the topic of evolution comes up, religion is one of the first things that needs to be assessed. Religion plays an integral role in science, and as I told Icy before, religion can sometimes (and has) impede scientific progress. Nobody attacked Christianity (although I took a few cheap shots at it) or Islam or Judaism seperately; attacking Jesus is for other threads. I attacked religion because religious extremists have the mental defect of questioning facts. Nobody took any personal shots at you, but it sucks that you are part of a religion that has a high rate of extremism, and it doubly sucks that you declared yourself an extremist when a majority of the forum would probably give you the benefit of the doubt and thing that you weren't. If you feel insulted because we are attacking Christianity, or monotheistic religions in a broader sense, or religion in an even broader sense, that really sucks for you. Nobody said in this thread that ADHD was a retard because blah blah blah, so I have no idea what the hell you are talking about right now. It's not making much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T. Sankara Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1302294257' post='5123254'] [i]Theory =/= fact[/i] You so sure about that? Although it was mentioned a ton of times already, gravity is a theory. But more people are inclined to believe that gravity is also a fact because it is more tangible than evolution is. I drop my phone on the ground and it continues falling until it hits something that impedes the fall. Gravity. I'm not saying that a scientific theory is always true 100% of the time, but the error rate in scientific theories is so low that they are essentially true. There is such a low chance that evolution is incorrect that it's completely negligible. Also, people who stated that it was impossible to get a piece of matter to fly did not have the proper scientific proof to back that up. However, people who claim evolution is true have more than enough evidence to support such a claim. I just realized, "site" should have been "cite". Huh. You completely misunderstood my post. In no way was I trying to say that all religious people are completely against science, but religion is based on faith and science is based on experimental data. Remember Galileo? Threatened with death because he believed (and correctly believed) that a heliocentric model of the universe made the most sense? Or remember during the medieval ages when you had to be in the closet if you were a scientist? Religious groups HATE when things go against their beliefs, because they have no answer except "lalala I can't hear you shove this Bible up your face". Some religious people hold a loose belief and therefore believe that religion and science can coexist, but religion as a whole impedes science, especially with the radical dumbasses that exist. [/quote] Gravity is a rather broad definition. I'm more than likely wrong, but even though "gravity" is a theory, isn't this nothing but a half-defined force? That's just what I was told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1302317500' post='5124069'] And I think I've observed- [/quote] For someone who claims to know a lot about science you sure don't know anything about science. Pro-Tip: Anecdotes are worthless when discussing theories. But anyway, please stay on topic. Evolution, NOT religion bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1302326782' post='5124454'] For someone who claims to know a lot about science you sure don't know anything about science. Pro-Tip: Anecdotes are worthless when discussing theories. But anyway, please stay on topic. Evolution, NOT religion bashing. [/quote] It wasn't a personal anecdote; if I had the resources, I would survey six billion people and definitively prove that an increase in religious activity corresponds to an increase in denying scientific facts. What I was saying, rather, was that I've surveyed enough people on a small-scale to make such a hypothesis with a degree of certainty, and whenever Cambridge wants to do a large-scale survey about this, they can prove me right. Could I be wrong with my small-scale observations? Sure, but it's not very likely I'm incorrect. Nobody ever was bashing religion, and it's a bit ironic that ADHD is telling me to stop being butthurt when he's the only one butthurt in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1302369934' post='5125209'] Nobody ever was bashing religion, and it's a bit ironic that ADHD is telling me to stop being butthurt when he's the only one butthurt in the thread. [/quote] [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1302291386' post='5123175'] Then again, if you want to go stick some religious books in your ears and ignore what I'm saying, so be it. I can't really help the fact that some people are just so immersed in religion to even comprehend that some things proven by science might *gasp* go against their religion. [/quote] Some people consider this religeon bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 [quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1302370278' post='5125230'] Some people consider this religeon bashing. [/quote] How in the hell was that bashing religion? Are you telling me I can't call people out for ignoring facts because they go against their religion? I've made religious-bashing posts before (my warns show it all too well), so I think I know when I'm bashing religion and when I'm just being a sarcastic dick trying to get a point across. So far, in this entire thread, with the exception of some striked out text, I've been the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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