Christianity... Good or bad?

[.Nu-13]

I am a christian, but I do not go to church and I do not believe in God and Jesus or other "Supernatural" things, though Jesus has existed, but he was not "Supernatural".

 

I dont have anything against Christians, only those who go out and protest on things they think is wrong or try to get followers. If they want to say something about Christianity, they can go to church to talk to a minister.

Like I heard myself

['tyleR]

I am a christian, but I do not go to church and I do not believe in God and Jesus or other "Supernatural" things, though Jesus has existed, but he was not "Supernatural".

 

I dont have anything against Christians, only those who go out and protest on things they think is wrong or try to get followers. If they want to say something about Christianity, they can go to church to talk to a minister.

 

You aren't a Christian. Get your facts straight.

 

What's wrong with trying to get more followers? It's a person's choice to believe, but it's wrong when it's shoved down their throats.

[Tentacruel]

What's wrong with trying to get more followers? It's a person's choice to believe, but it's wrong when it's shoved down their throats.

Because according to some people, the only way anyone would believe in Christianity is if they have it shoved down their throats as a child.

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

I am a christian, but I do not believe in the Christian teachings

Fix'd

[Ｍｒ．Ｒｏｂｏｔ]

Woah, back up now. To be a Christian, you have to accept Jesus Christ as your savior and attempt to live by his teachings and the example he set. That's how you become a Christian. I know for a fact their are a few Satanists who actually claim to worship the Satan of Christianity in order to attempt to make him ruler and satisfy their need to rebel against the Christian God. That doesn't make them Christians, even though they believe in both.

 

Don't take my words as preaching either. I'm just saying, it's common knowledge from a lifetime church goer and reader of the Bible.

 

Nope, your right 100% though people keep portraying satanist as a part of christian (although satanism is against Christian) or that the satan that these people belief are the same as the christian's satan/the devil while in real fact is that their satan is more like a god that an entity of evil. I myself is not a satanist but just sick of the mainstream/stereotypical view that satanist believe almost everything a Christian would but just that they choose the adversary's side.

 

I am a christian, but I do not go to church and I do not believe in God and Jesus or other "Supernatural" things, though Jesus has existed, but he was not "Supernatural".

 

I dont have anything against Christians, only those who go out and protest on things they think is wrong or try to get followers. If they want to say something about Christianity, they can go to church to talk to a minister.

 

That just don't make sense imo...how can you be a Christian if you don't believe in their teaching? I wonder what if an atheist say that he believe that there's a god...does that still count as an atheist?

 

As for the whole thread...it's base merely on a person's view which I think most religion would be.

[WorthlessNoob]

Religion is not all good but it unites people

[Sunshine Jesse]

That just don't make sense imo...how can you be a Christian if you don't believe in their teaching? I wonder what if an atheist say that he believe that there's a god...does that still count as an atheist?

 

Religion is a cultural thing. Non-religious people still go to church for the sake of the social experience.

 

I wonder what if an atheist say that he believe that there's a god...does that still count as an atheist?

No.

If you answer anything other than "yes" when asked if there's a god, even an "I don't know", you are an atheist.

 

 

Anyways, as for my opinion on Christianity:

*insert Ghandi's famous quote on the matter here*

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

Religion is a cultural thing. Non-religious people still go to church for the sake of the social experience.

The problem is he claims to be Christian while not believing in any of the Christian teachings.

 

No.

If you answer anything other than "yes" when asked if there's a god, even an "I don't know", you are an atheist.

Or a form of agnostic.

[Sunshine Jesse]

Or a form of agnostic.

Agnostic isn't a belief itself. There's agnostic atheist/theist, or gnostic atheist/theist

 

The problem is he claims to be Christian while not believing in any of the Christian teachings.

http://www.atheists-for-jesus.com/

 

>_>

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

http://www.atheists-for-jesus.com/

 

>_>

I don't get what you're saying. Nobody can deny that Jesus existed, there are historical records of him. Jesus being God's son is one of the major Christian teachings though. Just aknowledging Jesus existed doesn't mean you're a Christian or believe in the Christian beliefs.

[.Nu-13]

Jesus existed. And honestly, it's the only thing that's 100% proved in Christianity.

[Cin]

I see if as a double edge sword. It can be very positive if it's respectful to other religions and can be very useful in times of disaster to help people go on. On the other hand though it does have a homophobic nature to it, which I cannot stand and has been forced upon people for no reason. I would say cause of conflicts, but so can all religions. And humans will always find something to fight over anyway.

[Sunshine Jesse]

I don't get what you're saying. Nobody can deny that Jesus existed, there are historical records of him. Jesus being God's son is one of the major Christian teachings though. Just aknowledging Jesus existed doesn't mean you're a Christian or believe in the Christian beliefs.

Actually they can and do, but it's not exactly something with a lot of grounds for believing and you'd have to make a bunch of assumptions to arrive at that conclusion. although that can be pretty much be said of all religion too.

But it's possible to be an atheist and believe in the teachings of Jesus.

[Guest Identity Unknown]

Actually they can and do, but it's not exactly something with a lot of grounds for believing and you'd have to make a bunch of assumptions to arrive at that conclusion. although that can be pretty much be said of all religion too.

But it's possible to be an atheist and believe in the teachings of Jesus.

I believe Jesus' actual teachings in which he preaches about Apotheosis....

[Guest Icyblue]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756683/

Watch this, and yes it's relevant.

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

Actually they can and do, but it's not exactly something with a lot of grounds for believing and you'd have to make a bunch of assumptions to arrive at that conclusion. although that can be pretty much be said of all religion too.

There are historcal records that Jesus existed and taught what the bible said he taught. Whether what he taught was the truth is a different matter.

 

But it's possible to be an atheist and believe in the teachings of Jesus.

But do you believe Jesus is the son of God? If you don't, you aren't Christian.

[Guest Identity Unknown]

But do you believe Jesus is the son of God? If you don't, you aren't Christian.

Sorry but there are many sects of Christianity that dont believe jesus is the son of god but believe in god and Jesus' misinterpreted teachings your generalizing that all christians believe Christ is the son of God when some sects believe he IS God....

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

Sorry but there are many sects of Christianity that dont believe jesus is the son of god but believe in god and Jesus' misinterpreted teachings your generalizing that all christians believe Christ is the son of God when some sects believe he IS God....

Christianity as a whole is based on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. When you say some believe he is God, you're getting into the idea of the Holy Trinity, where God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one entity with three parts.

[Guest Identity Unknown]

Christianity as a whole is based on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. When you say some believe he is God, you're getting into the idea of the Holy Trinity, where God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one entity with three parts.

What about the misguided people who believe that jesus was a preacher nothing more in some sects they are still christian...

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

What about the misguided people who believe that jesus was a preacher nothing more in some sects they are still christian...

Can I get a source?

[Guest Identity Unknown]

Can I get a source?

Sorry I used to belong to a Methodist brainwashing church that claimed this...

[Tentacruel]

Christianity as a whole is based on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. When you say some believe he is God, you're getting into the idea of the Holy Trinity, where God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one entity with three parts.

 

This.

 

That is what Christianity means. There's no point in using the same name otherwise. Why not come up with a different name for other religious sects? People act as if they are whatever they say they are, regardless of what they actually believe...

[Dark]

I find it extremely sad that my name had to be mentioned before I posted on this thread. There have been religious threads that I haven't posted on because the arguments were either entirely off-topic, or they were good. When people post terrible arguments that have easy counters, I feel as if I'm obliged to call their stupidity out. Maybe if you religious folks would stop praying for five seconds to think of a decent argument, I'd have to actually get over the shock of a mediocre argument, and maybe my post would be delayed by an hour or two.

 

So, let's summarize!

 

The majority of...

 

Christians are against abortion.

Christians are against gay rights.

Christians are close-minded in thinking.

Christians follow their religion blindly.

 

Christianity...

 

Unfortunately plays a big role in the US Government.

Is the main selling point of a Republican's argument.

Is a religion where you must believe in their god to go to heaven.

Has not been proven to be true, any part of it, and it never will be.

 

Let's not forget that if you want to consider the Bible as something you "interpret", I can interpret it to say that I should kill every single person that doesn't believe in Jesus Christ and sucks his dick every other night. Meaning we'd all be dead. You cannot "interpret" something correctly because an interpretation implies subjectivity. The Bible is obviously not written where you can pull anything objective from it, so for all of you that say extremists "interpret the Bible incorrectly", you are stupid and wholly incorrect. They "interpret the Bible" differently. They are just as wrong as you all are.

 

To the person who made the Muslims associated with 9/11 comment, why is that an immoral way of thinking? It was proven that the attacks on 9/11, assuming they were not premeditated, were developed and enacted by Islam extremists. If someone were to say terrorism, I would think Islam because a majority of the modern terrorists are part of Al Queda, which is an Islamic-based group. It's the same as associating America with obesity; it's factual that we have a high obestiy rate, but you are generalizing. Generalizations are true sometimes, but not for the entire population they represent. Get that through your skull.

 

People constantly say that the Bible or the Koran say not to kill anybody. Again, are you the person that wrote that? For all we know, the person who wrote those books could have been telling us to kill people, as that might have been God's or Allah's wish. When you say that the Bible teaches acceptance and not ignorance, you are assuming your own interpretation of the Bible is correct. I believe Noah's Ark and all of the other stories just give you a descriptive way to suck Jesus' dick, and the main goal of Christianity is the suck his dick as many times as possible before you die. It's hard to do, but if you believe in God with enough power, he'll help you. How are you going to prove me wrong? It's my interpretation, and nobody knows what the true meaning of the Bible is.

 

Also, protip. The next time you meet your god, tell him that he ought to make his books either more objective and not open to interpretation, or not to write books at all. I swear, that jabroni writes so damn subjectively that no one knows what he is talking about half of the time. Maybe if he would write more objectively (or just appear in my bedroom so I can be sure he exists and therefore will believe in him), shitty arguments like those in this thread wouldn't exist.

 

The point of religion earlier was to control a large amount of people by telling them that Big Brother was watching. If I put a gun to your head and told you to eat M&Ms off of the ground, you will. If I told you to lick my crotch, you will. So if you are fed from a young age that you must do xyz and abc, otherwise you are going to hell (and hell is bad), you will do xyz and abc without thinking. It becomes second-nature, similar to how we breathe so we can live. When I raise my kids, and shoot me in the forehead if I don't, I won't expose them to any religion or atheism until they are sixteen, and tell them to choose whatever religion they want. Maybe once they have actual logic they'll decide for themselves what is right. If you are fed ANYTHING at a young age, chances are you'll buy it because "mommy and daddy and that rapist at the church said so".

 

Also, what historical records of Jesus? Yeah, some man named Jesus existed during the time period that the Bible illustrates. And so did a man named Bob. And Mike. And Josh. There is no documented evidence that anything in the Old Testament and most of the New Testament actually happened, and there is no documented nor scientific evidence of any of the supposed miracles that Jesus performed. We have documented primary and secondary documents of George Washington and the Ottoman Empire and random crap I learned in history class, but we have no documented evidence of the Jesus of Nazarath, nor will we ever. So why believe in something you can't even confirm to be true? Rather, why believe in something that will never have any evidence for or against it?

 

This is probably an overly long post for no reason, and chances are most of you morons don't even have the attention span to read five lines of this post. Fine, so be it. I would just like to make it perfectly clear that one doesn't need religion to "be at peace with oneself" or to "have hope in life". This isn't even about believing in a deity, that is completely seperate from religions. Tying oneself to a religion is tying oneself to a close-minded group of people where getting converts is the main goal. I remember in once instance, a Catholic pastor wrote an article expressing his concern that Islamic families have many kids, which is why the world population has more Muslims than Christians. Religion harms more than it helps, and any "benefit" of religion is psychological at best, where you wouldn't even need religion to get those benefits if you weren't in a religion from a young age.

 

Am I telling everyone to become atheist? No, atheist doesn't mean a lack of religion, although it heavily implies one. Believe in a god if you want, I don't really care much, but why bog yourself down following one religion? Assuming one out of all of the religions is right, the chance I'm going to hell is 100%. The chance you're going to hell is 99.5%.

 

Assuming, per week, one goes to church two hours per week (including praying time at home), the average person spends 104 hours per year devoted to a religion. Over a 70-year lifetime, that is 7280 hours, or 303 full days spend solely on religion. And that's erring on the lower side.

[Tentacruel]

[spoiler=spoilered to save space]I find it extremely sad that my name had to be mentioned before I posted on this thread. There have been religious threads that I haven't posted on because the arguments were either entirely off-topic, or they were good. When people post terrible arguments that have easy counters, I feel as if I'm obliged to call their stupidity out. Maybe if you religious folks would stop praying for five seconds to think of a decent argument, I'd have to actually get over the shock of a mediocre argument, and maybe my post would be delayed by an hour or two.

 

So, let's summarize!

 

The majority of...

 

Christians are against abortion.

Christians are against gay rights.

Christians are close-minded in thinking.

Christians follow their religion blindly.

 

Christianity...

 

Unfortunately plays a big role in the US Government.

Is the main selling point of a Republican's argument.

Is a religion where you must believe in their god to go to heaven.

Has not been proven to be true, any part of it, and it never will be.

 

Let's not forget that if you want to consider the Bible as something you "interpret", I can interpret it to say that I should kill every single person that doesn't believe in Jesus Christ and sucks his dick every other night. Meaning we'd all be dead. You cannot "interpret" something correctly because an interpretation implies subjectivity. The Bible is obviously not written where you can pull anything objective from it, so for all of you that say extremists "interpret the Bible incorrectly", you are stupid and wholly incorrect. They "interpret the Bible" differently. They are just as wrong as you all are.

 

To the person who made the Muslims associated with 9/11 comment, why is that an immoral way of thinking? It was proven that the attacks on 9/11, assuming they were not premeditated, were developed and enacted by Islam extremists. If someone were to say terrorism, I would think Islam because a majority of the modern terrorists are part of Al Queda, which is an Islamic-based group. It's the same as associating America with obesity; it's factual that we have a high obestiy rate, but you are generalizing. Generalizations are true sometimes, but not for the entire population they represent. Get that through your skull.

 

People constantly say that the Bible or the Koran say not to kill anybody. Again, are you the person that wrote that? For all we know, the person who wrote those books could have been telling us to kill people, as that might have been God's or Allah's wish. When you say that the Bible teaches acceptance and not ignorance, you are assuming your own interpretation of the Bible is correct. I believe Noah's Ark and all of the other stories just give you a descriptive way to suck Jesus' dick, and the main goal of Christianity is the suck his dick as many times as possible before you die. It's hard to do, but if you believe in God with enough power, he'll help you. How are you going to prove me wrong? It's my interpretation, and nobody knows what the true meaning of the Bible is.

 

Also, protip. The next time you meet your god, tell him that he ought to make his books either more objective and not open to interpretation, or not to write books at all. I swear, that jabroni writes so damn subjectively that no one knows what he is talking about half of the time. Maybe if he would write more objectively (or just appear in my bedroom so I can be sure he exists and therefore will believe in him), shitty arguments like those in this thread wouldn't exist.

 

The point of religion earlier was to control a large amount of people by telling them that Big Brother was watching. If I put a gun to your head and told you to eat M&Ms off of the ground, you will. If I told you to lick my crotch, you will. So if you are fed from a young age that you must do xyz and abc, otherwise you are going to hell (and hell is bad), you will do xyz and abc without thinking. It becomes second-nature, similar to how we breathe so we can live. When I raise my kids, and shoot me in the forehead if I don't, I won't expose them to any religion or atheism until they are sixteen, and tell them to choose whatever religion they want. Maybe once they have actual logic they'll decide for themselves what is right. If you are fed ANYTHING at a young age, chances are you'll buy it because "mommy and daddy and that rapist at the church said so".

 

Also, what historical records of Jesus? Yeah, some man named Jesus existed during the time period that the Bible illustrates. And so did a man named Bob. And Mike. And Josh. There is no documented evidence that anything in the Old Testament and most of the New Testament actually happened, and there is no documented nor scientific evidence of any of the supposed miracles that Jesus performed. We have documented primary and secondary documents of George Washington and the Ottoman Empire and random crap I learned in history class, but we have no documented evidence of the Jesus of Nazarath, nor will we ever. So why believe in something you can't even confirm to be true? Rather, why believe in something that will never have any evidence for or against it?

 

This is probably an overly long post for no reason, and chances are most of you morons don't even have the attention span to read five lines of this post. Fine, so be it. I would just like to make it perfectly clear that one doesn't need religion to "be at peace with oneself" or to "have hope in life". This isn't even about believing in a deity, that is completely seperate from religions. Tying oneself to a religion is tying oneself to a close-minded group of people where getting converts is the main goal. I remember in once instance, a Catholic pastor wrote an article expressing his concern that Islamic families have many kids, which is why the world population has more Muslims than Christians. Religion harms more than it helps, and any "benefit" of religion is psychological at best, where you wouldn't even need religion to get those benefits if you weren't in a religion from a young age.

 

Am I telling everyone to become atheist? No, atheist doesn't mean a lack of religion, although it heavily implies one. Believe in a god if you want, I don't really care much, but why bog yourself down following one religion? Assuming one out of all of the religions is right, the chance I'm going to hell is 100%. The chance you're going to hell is 99.5%.

 

Assuming, per week, one goes to church two hours per week (including praying time at home), the average person spends 104 hours per year devoted to a religion. Over a 70-year lifetime, that is 7280 hours, or 303 full days spend solely on religion. And that's erring on the lower side.

 

 

 

Dark, no offense, but shut up. Apparently you know everything about religion because you were forced to sacrifice every Sunday to it as a small child.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

The belief system needs a bit of fine tuning. Organized religion always leads to idiotic hivemind morality, but individual spiritualism can be a bit more malleable.

 

 

Dark, no offense, but shut up. Apparently you know everything about religion because you were forced to sacrifice every Sunday to it as a small child.

 

Good counterpoint.