The Dark One Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Uh, can you respond to my post please? If you have this grand plan, than freaking tell us, and we'll decide whether you're an idiot or a genius. EDIT: whoops, ok, I see that you've edited your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Monsters (18) 3 Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon3 Metalzoa1 Dark Magician of Chaos 2 Jinzo3 Cyber Dragon 3 Cyber Phoenix2 The Light - Hex-Sealed Fusion1 Card Trooper Spells (20) 1 Power Bond1 Future Fusion1 Overload Fusion1 Dimension Fusion3 Trade-In3 Monster Gate3 Reasoning1 Heavy Storm1 Giant Trunade1 Magical Stone Excavation1 H-Heated Heart1 Limiter Removal1 Premature Burial1 Card Destruction Traps (2) 1 Mirror Force1 Call of the Haunted Fusions (12) 3 Cyber End Dragon3 Cyber Twin Dragon3 Chimeratech Fortress Dragon3 Chimeratech Overdragon This deck > Your deck. Mystical Space Typhoon perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Uh' date=' can you respond to my post please? If you have this grand plan, than freaking tell us, and we'll decide whether you're an idiot or a genius.[/quote'] I already told you I have a grand plan. In fact, the plan was stated on Page 1 of this topic. Monsters (18) 3 Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon3 Metalzoa1 Dark Magician of Chaos 2 Jinzo3 Cyber Dragon 3 Cyber Phoenix2 The Light - Hex-Sealed Fusion1 Card Trooper Spells (20) 1 Power Bond1 Future Fusion1 Overload Fusion1 Dimension Fusion3 Trade-In3 Monster Gate3 Reasoning1 Heavy Storm1 Giant Trunade1 Magical Stone Excavation1 H-Heated Heart1 Limiter Removal1 Premature Burial1 Card Destruction Traps (2) 1 Mirror Force1 Call of the Haunted Fusions (12) 3 Cyber End Dragon3 Cyber Twin Dragon3 Chimeratech Fortress Dragon3 Chimeratech Overdragon This deck > Your deck. Mystical Space Typhoon perhaps? Heavy Storm and Giant Trunade work better. MST's one card removal is good in most decks, but not in Chimeratech Turbo OTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAG Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 The reason for Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon and Metalzoa being used is for the precise reason that the can't be used. OMG! He's using those two cards for the same reason you can't use them! Genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 okay. thank you for not completely flaming me like others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 The reason for Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon and Metalzoa being used is for the precise reason that the can't be used. OMG! He's using those two cards for the same reason you can't use them! Genius! I'm using the fact that they're Nomi monsters to my advantage. okay. thank you for not completely flaming me like others. The only person who's flamed anyone in this topic is The Dark One by calling me retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Wait, so are you saying that you're running the Metals to counter decks that use Dimension Fusion? I'm obviously still not getting the point that you're trying to make. Why don't you spell it out for me, how do their limitations benefit this deck in any way, shape, or form? And it wasn't necessary to call me a flamer. My comment may have been out of line, but you cannot pretend that I'm just trying to piss you off. I'm pretty sure I just put into writing what everyone else who didn't get you was thinking when they read your post. Perhaps I was wrong, but I'm still not seeing an inspiring light. Come on, I'm actually trying to see where you're coming from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Wait' date=' so are you saying that you're running the Metals to counter decks that use Dimension Fusion? I'm obviously still not getting the point that you're trying to make. Why don't you spell it out for me, how do their limitations benefit this deck in any way, shape, or form? And it wasn't necessary to call me a flamer. My comment may have been out of line, but you cannot pretend that I'm just trying to piss you off. I'm pretty sure I just put into writing what everyone else who didn't get you was thinking when they read your post. Perhaps I was wrong, but I'm still not seeing an inspiring light. Come on, I'm actually trying to see where you're coming from here.[/quote']Dimension Fusion has nothing to do with the inclusion of the metals. The point is Reasoning and Monster Gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 So all this means is that Reasoning and Monster Gate discard the Metals instead of Summoning them. Now what, are you trying to discard them for use with Overload Fusion to get out Chimeratech? I might finally be starting to see where you're going with this. That would make for some nice speed, but I still think it might be rather inconsistent. Have you play tested it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAG Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 The reason for Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon and Metalzoa being used is for the precise reason that the can't be used. OMG! He's using those two cards for the same reason you can't use them! Genius! I'm using the fact that they're Nomi monsters to my advantage.1)Nomi?2) Them not being able to be summoned at all is a large disadvantage, no matter what else they can be used for. There are much better monsters to be using than these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 So all this means is that Reasoning and Monster Gate discard the Metals instead of Summoning them. Now what' date=' are you trying to discard them for use with Overload Fusion to get out Chimeratech? I might finally be starting to see where you're going with this. That would make for some nice speed, but I still think it might be rather inconsistent. Have you play tested it?[/quote'] That's precisely the point. Flood the graveyard, activate Overload Fusion, win. It's actually more consistent than you would expect, especially thanks to Trade-In. The reason for Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon and Metalzoa being used is for the precise reason that the can't be used. OMG! He's using those two cards for the same reason you can't use them! Genius! I'm using the fact that they're Nomi monsters to my advantage.1)Nomi?2) Them not being able to be summoned at all is a large disadvantage' date=' no matter what else they can be used for. There are much better monsters to be using than these guys.[/quote'] Nomi means they contain the text "This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by..." Actually, these two happen to be Semi-Nomi rather than Nomi (they say "This card can only be Special Summoned by..."), but the effect is the same. Their inability to be summoned is a huge advantage when the place you want monsters to be is the graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I think he's trying to use their Nomi effect (well, semi nomi) to force Reasoning and Monster Gate to destroy them when they're summoned. This gives Overload Fusion fodder for use with Chimeratech. I'm still unsure about this deck, but it just might work. The Trade Ins are there to turn any unlucky draws to his advantage. He may actually have it worked out. I guess we'll just have to see how consistent the deck is. He's turning Reasoning and Monster Gate into great mill cards. Congratulations Mr. Crab, you may just have converted me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAG Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 So all this means is that Reasoning and Monster Gate discard the Metals instead of Summoning them. Now what' date=' are you trying to discard them for use with Overload Fusion to get out Chimeratech? I might finally be starting to see where you're going with this. That would make for some nice speed, but I still think it might be rather inconsistent. Have you play tested it?[/quote'] That's precisely the point. Flood the graveyard, activate Overload Fusion, win. It's actually more consistent than you would expect, especially thanks to Trade-In. The reason for Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon and Metalzoa being used is for the precise reason that the can't be used. OMG! He's using those two cards for the same reason you can't use them! Genius! I'm using the fact that they're Nomi monsters to my advantage.1)Nomi?2) Them not being able to be summoned at all is a large disadvantage' date=' no matter what else they can be used for. There are much better monsters to be using than these guys.[/quote'] Nomi means they contain the text "This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by..." Actually, these two happen to be Semi-Nomi rather than Nomi (they say "This card can only be Special Summoned by..."), but the effect is the same. Their inability to be summoned is a huge advantage when the place you want monsters to be is the graveyard.No, because there are plenty of other monsters that can be sent to the Graveyard AND be summoned, thus actually providing some wall between your opponent's monsters and your lifepoints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 So all this means is that Reasoning and Monster Gate discard the Metals instead of Summoning them. Now what' date=' are you trying to discard them for use with Overload Fusion to get out Chimeratech? I might finally be starting to see where you're going with this. That would make for some nice speed, but I still think it might be rather inconsistent. Have you play tested it?[/quote'] That's precisely the point. Flood the graveyard, activate Overload Fusion, win. It's actually more consistent than you would expect, especially thanks to Trade-In. The reason for Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon and Metalzoa being used is for the precise reason that the can't be used. OMG! He's using those two cards for the same reason you can't use them! Genius! I'm using the fact that they're Nomi monsters to my advantage.1)Nomi?2) Them not being able to be summoned at all is a large disadvantage' date=' no matter what else they can be used for. There are much better monsters to be using than these guys.[/quote'] Nomi means they contain the text "This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by..." Actually, these two happen to be Semi-Nomi rather than Nomi (they say "This card can only be Special Summoned by..."), but the effect is the same. Their inability to be summoned is a huge advantage when the place you want monsters to be is the graveyard.No, because there are plenty of other monsters that can be sent to the Graveyard AND be summoned, thus actually providing some wall between your opponent's monsters and your lifepoints. The Dark One has figured this out. Read his post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAG Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 With Reasoning, when u draw a REBMD or MZ, it gets sent to the graveyard, and that's it. When u draw a summonable monster, it is sento to your field. It will get sent to the Graveyard AND it also provides some defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 With Reasoning' date=' when u draw a REBMD or MZ, it gets sent to the graveyard, and that's it. When u draw a summonable monster, it is sento to your field. It will get sent to the Graveyard AND it also provides some defense.[/quote'] Nope. When you draw a Nomi or Semi-Nomi with Reasoning, it gets sent to the graveyard, and you keep on drawing until you find a monster that can be Normal Summoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Best Male 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 add snipe hunter.....if you draw into the metals.....dead draw....remove them, or add snipe hunter and if you remove them, add other machines, that you can play...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 add snipe hunter.....if you draw into the metals.....dead draw....remove them' date=' or add snipe hunter and if you remove them, add other machines, that you can play......[/quote'] Power Bond, Card Destruction, and Trade-In all make excellent use of the Semi-Nomi Machines in my hand. Snipe Hunter interrupts Reasoning/Gate, is not a Machine, and has an effect that really doesn't fit in with this deck. I have Heavy and Trunade to take care of backfield, and Chimeratech to take care of everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I don't know, you'd probably still be better off with an MST in there as well. Trunade's a great OTK thing, but what happens if you don't draw into it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I don't know' date=' you'd probably still be better off with an MST in there as well. Trunade's a great OTK thing, but what happens if you don't draw into it?[/quote'] 3 Reasoning and 3 Gate make it easy to mill, and DMoC + MSE make it easy to recover. Also, there's simply no room for an MST in here; I'm having enough trouble finding room for a second H-Heated Heart (now that's a card I need to draw into if the opponent runs Marshmallon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 You know what works even better than red eyes black metal dragon? Ancient Gear Golem. At least you can Normal Summon him xP EDIT: Unless I forgot something about the rulings, yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Whisper Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 alright, I got it, you wait until you have the Cyber dragons, and the other machine type monsters so you can use your power bomd to fuse them into Chimeratech Overdragon so it's Atk is insanely strong, doubled, and it can attack for every monster used to summon it, use limiter removal and you have one SUPER-OMEGA-CATASTROFIC-ULTRA-BEATDOWN-STRATEGY. i would add the card "Infinite Cards" so you don't have to worry about hand space...nice tactic, never would see that coming... EDIT: Although I ould still add some good 4-star or lower monsters to give yourself some more defence...it'll take a while to get those cards.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Actually, that had just about nothing to do with the strategy. Power Bond is a backup card, as I understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 You know what works even better than red eyes black metal dragon? Ancient Gear Golem. At least you can Normal Summon him xP Cards that can be Normal Summoned but not Special Summoned interrupt Reasoning/Gate but still aren't summoned. It's like having the worst of both worlds. alright' date=' I got it, you wait until you have the Cyber dragons, and the other machine type monsters so you can use your power bomd to fuse them into Chimeratech Overdragon so it's Atk is insanely strong, doubled, and it can attack for every monster used to summon it, use limiter removal and you have one SUPER-OMEGA-CATASTROFIC-ULTRA-BEATDOWN-STRATEGY. i would add the card "Infinite Cards" so you don't have to worry about hand space...nice tactic, never would see that coming... EDIT: Although I ould still add some good 4-star or lower monsters to give yourself some more defence...it'll take a while to get those cards..[/quote'] The monsters are designed to accumulate in the graveyard, not the hand. Actually' date=' that had just about nothing to do with the strategy. Power Bond is a backup card, as I understand it.[/quote'] Precisely. A good way to for a quick win against a weak opponent, to dump Semi-Nomis to the grave from my hand, or to make the opponent waste good traps that could have been used against my full-powered Overdragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Whisper Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 and your the one to say...you've been argueing with TAG the whole time saying this deck is dead...I reject my first viewpoint and now say that this deck has tactics in it that can blow you mind right out of it's deep dark hole...but you are right about somethings, it's way too hard to get the Trumpcard out on the field...that's why I suggested getting some 4-stars or lower monsters for back-up incase you don't get the cards you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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