Valkyrus Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 ..that I've made. [IMG]http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb278/mario1092/antr.jpg[/IMG] I realize it might be OP'ed but then again the most used kinds of Spells are continuous and normal spells, which this does not destroy. It doesn't even destroy Ritual Spells which is another thing that can make it more balanced. constructive criticism is welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 @Topic Title: [center][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101030040411/yugioh/images/thumb/7/7a/MysticalSpaceTyphoonSDMA-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-MysticalSpaceTyphoonSDMA-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel of Silence Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 The pic is good, effect is good, but might be a little OP'd. Seems good, the summoning condition seems okay. 9/10 Slightly OP'd I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1307892651' post='5277355'] @Topic Title: [center][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101030040411/yugioh/images/thumb/7/7a/MysticalSpaceTyphoonSDMA-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-MysticalSpaceTyphoonSDMA-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img][/center] [/quote] Actually, his card is quite more versatile b/c you get to destroy it in the hand and deck as well and with my memory not many cards do that, about cloudians I'd believe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1307892651' post='5277355'] @Topic Title:[center][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101030040411/yugioh/images/thumb/7/7a/MysticalSpaceTyphoonSDMA-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-MysticalSpaceTyphoonSDMA-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img][/center] [/quote] my card can destroy all your MST's, Fields, and Equips, maybe up to 10 cards at a time. u mad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Master White' timestamp='1307892954' post='5277363'] Actually, his card is quite more versatile b/c you get to destroy it in the hand and deck as well and with my memory not many cards do that, about cloudians I'd believe.... [/quote] Uhhh No. MST can be activated at any time. This requires 1 Tribute. This can be bottomlessed. MST can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1307893657' post='5277385'] Uhhh No. MST can be activated at any time. This requires 1 Tribute. This can be bottomlessed. MST can't. [/quote] this requires NO tribute. MST destroys 1 card. This can destroy maybe 10. and with this I can destroy your MST's waaaaaaay before they're even in your hand. problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1307893657' post='5277385'] Uhhh No. MST can be activated at any time. This requires 1 Tribute. This can be bottomlessed. MST can't. [/quote] Yes, but you can only have 2 of then while this card can be a Max of 3, I prefer more then little, of course MST can destroy cards on the field, but not in the hand or deck..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 this is like a REALLY stronger version of Heavy Storm but Heavy Storm was always good, so I'll approve of this as well 8.8/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1307911263' post='5278241'] this is like a REALLY stronger version of Heavy Storm but Heavy Storm was always good, so I'll approve of this as well 8.8/10 [/quote] glad you don't find it OP'ed. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MibeR Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Trap Card, hand, cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. I would say no, because Trap is a precious for me, i'll rather change it to destroying 2 Spell or Trap Cards you control instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1307893820' post='5277391'] this requires NO tribute. MST destroys 1 card. This can destroy maybe 10. and with this I can destroy your MST's waaaaaaay before they're even in your hand. problem? [/quote] You don't get it Study the meta more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1307916343' post='5278517'] You don't get it Study the meta more. [/quote] yeah, sure, 1 MST that can destroy 1 random spell or trap >>>>>>>>>>> an effect that can destroy 10+ (including your MST's ) I meant versatile not as in "IT CAN DESTROY 1 SPELL OR TRAP CARD, NO MATTER WHAT KIND, IT'S UNBEATABLE ROFLOL" but as in it can destroy THE MOST spells. It does THE MOST damage, to the number of cards your opponent has in their deck, hand and field AND to their strategy. An MST means what? It cannot change the number of cards your opponent controls THAT much, and am pretty sure isn't able to completely break a player's strategy. now do [i]you[/i] get it? There are hundreds of cards with effects like MST, there are none like this card. And all that means is it's more versatile than MST. Are we finished yet? ( Besides not sure if you saw, but maybe you'd like to look at the very top of my post. After the title, there's a "..that I've made" so, learn2read before commenting. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [color="#FF0000"][font="Century Gothic"][center][b]OMGFLAMEZ *uses fire extinguisher* why won't mars burn out he's still blazing D: lol. OT: I overall like this card, it's a bit OP'd as stated but that's not necessarily bad. (IMO OP is better an UP) OCG is fine, pic is good. 9/10[/b][/center][/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySuicune Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 You're forgetting that heavy storm was eventually banned so this card could easily follow suit. One thing though, do the Traps have to be activated/face-up or can you just set 2 traps then summon this thing.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1307918306' post='5278619'] yeah, sure, 1 MST that can destroy 1 random spell or trap >>>>>>>>>>> an effect that can destroy 10+ (including your MST's ) [/quote] [font="Century Gothic"][color="#00FFFF"]Thanks for the deck thinning! :D[/color][/font] Seriously, I wasn't flaming... I was just saying.. this isn't a staple... Not like you seem to think it is... Making the other player's draws more consistent is not a good idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Classic' timestamp='1307919027' post='5278649'] [color="#FF0000"][font="Century Gothic"][center][b]OMGFLAMEZ *uses fire extinguisher* why won't mars burn out he's still blazing D: lol.OT:I overall like this card, it's a bit OP'd as stated but that's not necessarily bad. (IMO OP is better an UP)OCG is fine, pic is good.9/10[/b][/center][/font][/color] [/quote] thank you ^^ [quote name='LadySuicune' timestamp='1307920307' post='5278694'] You're forgetting that heavy storm was eventually banned so this card could easily follow suit. One thing though, do the Traps have to be activated/face-up or can you just set 2 traps then summon this thing.? [/quote] This is almost nothing like heavy storm. And you can just set 2 traps, without activating them, and then send them to the Graveyard to summon this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1307920733' post='5278711'] This is almost nothing like heavy storm. And you can just set 2 traps, without activating them, and then send them to the Graveyard to summon this. [/quote] Becuase this implies that the foe gets deck thinning. Heavy Was a overkill card used to end games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Topic debate seems fun =D I'll join in too. [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1307918306' post='5278619'] yeah, sure, 1 MST that can destroy 1 random spell or trap >>>>>>>>>>> an effect that can destroy 10+ (including your MST's ) I meant versatile not as in "IT CAN DESTROY 1 SPELL OR TRAP CARD, NO MATTER WHAT KIND, IT'S UNBEATABLE ROFLOL" but as in it can destroy THE MOST spells. It does THE MOST damage, to the number of cards your opponent has in their deck, hand and field AND to their strategy. An MST means what? It cannot change the number of cards your opponent controls THAT much, and am pretty sure isn't able to completely break a player's strategy. now do [i]you[/i] get it? [b]There are hundreds of cards with effects like MST, there are none like this card.[/b] And all that means is it's more versatile than MST. Are we finished yet? ( Besides not sure if you saw, but maybe you'd like to look at the very top of my post. After the title, there's a "..that I've made" so, learn2read before commenting. ) [/quote] @Bolded: [IMG]http://i55.tinypic.com/28tazva.png[/IMG] Also: [i]The most versatile =/= The most [s]powerful[/s] destructive[/i] Versatile refers in the game to something that can be used to help you under many different situations. Something that accommodates to your current needs well enough to be splashable in most Decks. A good example of something versatile is (probably the most versatile card in the game) Book of Moon. Which has a simple enough effect. Yet, it has [i]so many[/i] uses. -Your opponent just Summoned something and its ready to Synchro. Book 1 monster. -Your opponent wants to destroy/banish your face-up monster. Book it. -Your opponent wants to get rid of your attacking monster (Mirror Force, Sakuretsu Armor, Dimensional Prison, etc). Book your monster. -Your opponent is about to attack? Book it. -You are about to receive Magic Cylinder burn? Book your monster. -Want to re-use a FLIP? Book. -Want to be able to destroy a monster that has too much ATK? Book it. -Get rid of Counters on monsters, from equips, or from effects that accumulate per turn? Book. -Your opponent wants to destroy lol face-down Spell/Trap that happens to be Book? lol chain it. -Activate "once per turn" effect, then Book. After that, Flip Summon and activate "once per turn" effect (like Scrap Dragon) Those and many more. Not to mention it bypasses Trap negation, can activate at any time, and has no activation conditions or costs to worry about. By examining your card: -It is a semi-nomi, so no other ways to Summon it until you do it properly and even then, why Summon it again when the work is done the first time? -Will pretty much only be Summoned during your Main Phase (the first time), destroy cards during the Main Phase, and nothing else. Which doesn't give many versatile uses to it. -Another important point is: The Types of Spells it destroys aren't that great of a combination. *Equip Spell Cards: Most Decks don't use them ever since Premature Burial was banned many years ago. This part will only serve to instantly destroy the few fun and underpowered Decks that are based around Equips. Which don't need to get countered anyways. *Quick Play Spell Cards: Pretty much Mystical Space Typhoon and Book of Moon. If it's Mystical Space Typhoon, it is counterproductive because you got rid of two of your Trap Cards to bring this out, equivalent to the Semi-limited Mystical Space Typhoons you will [s]destroy[/s] make the exchange for (kinda sounds like letting your opponent activate 2 Mystical Space Typhoons from their Deck from this perspective). On the other hand, Book of Moon is a valid and legit target to get rid of. Although putting your cards in a Deck only for that is not a great idea. *Field Spell Cards: Field Spell Cards are just lately gaining some popularity and only in Dragunity and Gravekeeper's Decks because they are necessary there. Out of those two, Gravekeeper's can live without it and if this thread's card is Summoned against them, its owner will only regret to have lost that card advantage on getting rid of Necro Valley. In Dragunity Decks though, it is a good blow so no arguments there. Saying the card is versatile because it can do not one, but all three of the above in one is still not quite good enough yet. As one of the first changes I'd tell you to "destroy" the Trap Cards instead, and don't make it a cost for Summoning. Also, don't make this a semi-nomi either. Lastly, I believe in another thread I told you that [b]h[/b]and is not capitalized before. ~Well, that's all my constructive criticism for now~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySuicune Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Well this certainly seems like it targets Dragunities...though it doesn't really address Phalanx it does get rid of Ravine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1307920594' post='5278707'] [font="Century Gothic"][color="#00FFFF"]Thanks for the deck thinning! [/color][/font] Seriously, I wasn't flaming... I was just saying.. this isn't a staple... Not like you seem to think it is... Making the other player's draws more consistent is not a good idea... [/quote] well in some cases it is, in others, it isn't. With this you're getting rid of your opponent's book of moon, MSTs , United We Stand, all kinda fields, etc. This is a nightmare for Malefics and Earthbound Immortals. For Fish/Aqua/Sea-Serpent Decks that use Umi as well. Also for Spellcaster decks that use Secret Village of the Spellcasters. Also some decks rely heavily on Equip Spells. Gilford the Legend OTKs can be stopped with this. The list goes on. Of course it's not good in all situations, what card is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1307921195' post='5278733'] Of course it's not good in all situations, what card is? [/quote] [center] [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090617031817/yugioh/images/thumb/c/c5/SolemnJudgmentGLD2-EN-GUR-LE.png/300px-SolemnJudgmentGLD2-EN-GUR-LE.png[/img]+[img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101104052006/yugioh/images/thumb/d/d4/MirrorForceSDMA-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-MirrorForceSDMA-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img][/center] I know that's two cards, but that's complete protection from [b]everything[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1307921195' post='5278733'] well in some cases it is, in others, it isn't. [/quote] A staple is a card that can be added to ANY deck and increase it's power. Mirror Force is a staple because, no matter what deck you run, it gives you costless protection. This is not a staple. It is also broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1307921341' post='5278739'] It is also broken. [/quote] 9001X this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='sleepy' timestamp='1307920964' post='5278724'] Topic debate seems fun =D I'll join in too.@Bolded:[IMG]http://i55.tinypic.com/28tazva.png[/IMG]Also:[i]The most versatile =/= The most [s]powerful[/s] destructive[/i]Versatile refers in the game to something that can be used to help you under many different situations. Something that accommodates to your current needs well enough to be splashable in most Decks.A good example of something versatile is (probably the most versatile card in the game) Book of Moon. Which has a simple enough effect. Yet, it has [i]so many[/i] uses.-Your opponent just Summoned something and its ready to Synchro. Book 1 monster.-Your opponent wants to destroy/banish your face-up monster. Book it.-Your opponent wants to get rid of your attacking monster (Mirror Force, Sakuretsu Armor, Dimensional Prison, etc). Book your monster.-Your opponent is about to attack? Book it.-You are about to receive Magic Cylinder burn? Book your monster.-Want to re-use a FLIP? Book.-Want to be able to destroy a monster that has too much ATK? Book it.-Get rid of Counters on monsters, from equips, or from effects that accumulate per turn? Book.-Your opponent wants to destroy lol face-down Spell/Trap that happens to be Book? lol chain it.-Activate "once per turn" effect, then Book. After that, Flip Summon and activate "once per turn" effect (like Scrap Dragon)Those and many more. Not to mention it bypasses Trap negation, can activate at any time, and has no activation conditions or costs to worry about.By examining your card:-It is a semi-nomi, so no other ways to Summon it until you do it properly and even then, why Summon it again when the work is done the first time?-Will pretty much only be Summoned during your Main Phase (the first time), destroy cards during the Main Phase, and nothing else. Which doesn't give many versatile uses to it.-Another important point is: The Types of Spells it destroys aren't that great of a combination.*Equip Spell Cards: Most Decks don't use them ever since Premature Burial was banned many years ago. This part will only serve to instantly destroy the few fun and underpowered Decks that are based around Equips. Which don't need to get countered anyways.*Quick Play Spell Cards: Pretty much Mystical Space Typhoon and Book of Moon. If it's Mystical Space Typhoon, it is counterproductive because you got rid of two of your Trap Cards to bring this out, equivalent to the Semi-limited Mystical Space Typhoons you will [s]destroy[/s] make the exchange for (kinda sounds like letting your opponent activate 2 Mystical Space Typhoons from their Deck from this perspective). On the other hand, Book of Moon is a valid and legit target to get rid of. Although putting your cards in a Deck only for that is not a great idea.*Field Spell Cards: Field Spell Cards are just lately gaining some popularity and only in Dragunity and Gravekeeper's Decks because they are necessary there. Out of those two, Gravekeeper's can live without it and if this thread's card is Summoned against them, its owner will only regret to have lost that card advantage on getting rid of Necro Valley. In Dragunity Decks though, it is a good blow so no arguments there.Saying the card is versatile because it can do not one, but all three of the above in one is still not quite good enough yet.As one of the first changes I'd tell you to "destroy" the Trap Cards instead, and don't make it a cost for Summoning. Also, don't make this a semi-nomi either.Lastly, I believe in another thread I told you that [b]h[/b]and is not capitalized before.~Well, that's all my constructive criticism for now~ [/quote] I'm not continuing this debate, it's pointless, and I'm too tired. If I made this card destroy any of the other types of spells, it'd have become OP'ed. Continuous Spells and Normal Spells are the most popular, so I can't touch those. Maaaaybe I could've added the Ritual Spells as targets too but thought it'd be more or less pointless since not many people use Rituals anymore. Also I already mentioned what kind of spells this can destroy. For some decks Fields are important (Malefic/Earthbound Immortals/ Fish;Aqua;Sea-Serpent ) I'm not looking at only the Top tier deck types, I look at all deck types when I make my cards. Some people still use Equips, (United We stand; Heart of Clear Water etc.) and MST and Book of moon aren't the only quickplay spells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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