-Lightray Daedalus- Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 [center][img]http://castlesandcooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/jaces-archivist.jpg[/img] Jace's Archivist [img]http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/images/smilies/mana1.gif[/img][img]http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/images/smilies/manau.gif[/img][img]http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/images/smilies/manau.gif[/img] Creature- Vedalken Wizard [img]http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/images/smilies/manau.gif[/img],[img]http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/images/smilies/manat.gif[/img]: Each player discards his or her hand,then draws cards equal to the greatest number of cards a player discarded this way. 2/2 Artist:James Ryan 59/249[/center] Once again: DA f***? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 O_O Wow, so pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 For the record there is a Very OLD Sorcery with the same effect...and that thing is Banned...XD This one: [img]http://magiccards.info/scans/en/br/99.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 So WotC decided to make a broken card even more broken, huh? Anyways, I'm glad for this card, may be awesome draw engine for my deck. Most of the time, I have a lot of unneeded s*** in hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Banned in Yu-gi-oh[/Captianobvious] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｓｕｐｒｅｍａｃｙ ＳＵＮ' timestamp='1308159736' post='5285325'] So WotC decided to make a broken card even more broken, huh? Anyways, I'm glad for this card, may be awesome draw engine for my deck. Most of the time, I have a lot of unneeded s*** in hand [/quote] How is it more broken? There are many things that make it worse: • It costs 1UU as opposed to 2U, meaning it's not as splashable. • Its activated ability costs U,[tap], meaning it costs yet another blue later. • It doesn't have haste, meaning it has to be alive for one turn. • It has 2 toughness, putting it in red's burn range. It has only the following advantages: • It gets creature support, but it's in a color where creatures aren't really supported. • Reusable, but only once per turn. If it survives that long. • The ability can be done at instant speed. So, please remind me, how is this more broken than windfall? Anyway, since I'm probably changing my SekKuar EDH deck into a Mimeoplasm EDH deck when I get Mimeoplasm (Btw, my deck is an activated ability deck that abuses Necrotic Ooze for a degenerative combo), this will fit in nicely upon M12 prerelease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 [quote name='Mystery Guest' timestamp='1308192678' post='5286671'] How is it more broken? There are many things that make it worse: • It costs 1UU as opposed to 2U, meaning it's not as splashable. • Its activated ability costs U,[tap], meaning it costs yet another blue later. • It doesn't have haste, meaning it has to be alive for one turn. • It has 2 toughness, putting it in red's burn range. It has only the following advantages: • It gets creature support, but it's in a color where creatures aren't really supported. • Reusable, but only once per turn. If it survives that long. • The ability can be done at instant speed. So, please remind me, how is this more broken than windfall? Anyway, since I'm probably changing my SekKuar EDH deck into a Mimeoplasm EDH deck when I get Mimeoplasm (Btw, my deck is an activated ability deck that abuses Necrotic Ooze for a degenerative combo), this will fit in nicely upon M12 prerelease. [/quote] Forgot the fact that it is at 4 where Windfall is at 1 and only in Legacy...XD And Blue/Any Color can defend it...from common threads via Mental Misstep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｓｕｐｐｒｅｓｓｉｏｎ ＰＬＵＴＯ' timestamp='1308193973' post='5286706'] Forgot the fact that it is at 4 where Windfall is at 1 and only in Legacy...XD And Blue/Any Color can defend it...from common threads via Mental Misstep [/quote] If it's really as broken as you claim, then it will soon be at 0 as opposed to 4. You can only really defend this thing on Turn 4 or 5 (when you'll have enough mana open for a decent counterspell). Off the top of my head, the only things you can use Mental Misstep to defend this card against is probably 1 mana burn spells; most other elimination is CMC2. If you're facing red, in response to you using the Archivist's ability, they'll probably empty their hand of burn spells and then draw more thanks to you using the Archivist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 lol. This looks amazing, is it? It's the same as that Windfall thing, and that's banned, but does this being a Creature hurt it? Is a Spell better than a Creature in MTG? Excuse my Ignorance, I know little about the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 [quote name='Mystery Guest' timestamp='1308235733' post='5287369'] If it's really as broken as you claim, then it will soon be at 0 as opposed to 4. You can only really defend this thing on Turn 4 or 5 (when you'll have enough mana open for a decent counterspell). Off the top of my head, the only things you can use Mental Misstep to defend this card against is probably 1 mana burn spells; most other elimination is CMC2. If you're facing red, in response to you using the Archivist's ability, they'll probably empty their hand of burn spells and then draw more thanks to you using the Archivist. [/quote] Nah it will not go to 0, Creature Status balances it prefectly so it is not BROKEN...but a hella good card...specially for a Core Set... @Marz: Yes creature in some cases is worst than Spells coz Creatures are easier to get ride of...Spells can only be countered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 They're only printing this as an appology to Blue players for Jace the Mind Sculptor cycling out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308245434' post='5287772'] They're only printing this as an appology to Blue players for Jace the Mind Sculptor cycling out. [/quote] I only hate that he new Triba Boss for this set is for...Illusions...(Althought card is decent and helps Illsuions in the set set ALOT)...I want the 5 Original Tribes to shine once again! If you are wondering [color="#98FB98"]Soldiers[/color], [color="#4169E1"]Merfloks[/color], [color="#008000"]Elves[/color], [color="#FF0000"]Goblins[/color], [color="#000000"]Zombies[/color]. and to a second extend [color="#98FB98"]Clerics[/color], [color="#4169E1"]Wizards[/color], [color="#008000"]Beasts[/color], [color="#FF0000"]Viashinos[/color], [color="#000000"]Horrors[/color]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｓｕｐｐｒｅｓｓｉｏｎ ＰＬＵＴＯ' timestamp='1308245744' post='5287788'] I only hate that he new Triba Boss for this set is for...Illusions...(Althought card is decent and helps Illsuions in the set set ALOT)...I want the 5 Original Tribes to shine once again! If you are wondering [color="#98FB98"]Soldiers[/color], [color="#4169E1"]Merfloks[/color], [color="#008000"]Elves[/color], [color="#FF0000"]Goblins[/color], [color="#000000"]Zombies[/color]. and to a second extend [color="#98FB98"]Clerics[/color], [color="#4169E1"]Wizards[/color], [color="#008000"]Beasts[/color], [color="#FF0000"]Viashinos[/color], [color="#000000"]Horrors[/color]. [/quote] I thought red's second tribe was dwarves. EDIT: In Duels 2012, Jace uses illusions. They aren't half bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308245819' post='5287791'] I thought red's second tribe was dwarves. [/quote] mmm Viashinos expanded to a lot more of places then Dwarves thought(To alara for example)...Althought Barbarians and Giants should also count into it...mmmm Green also has treefolks and Insects, White has angels and Knights, Blue has Cephalids and Sphinxes, and Black has Rats and Demons. MTG has A LOT OF RACES to exploit...XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 As said putting the effect on a creature balances it a lot more, however it's still a great card. Also, people Zombies. Come on, until Vamps got big, or small in this case, they were the black tribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted June 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1308268312' post='5288789'] As said putting the effect on a creature balances it a lot more, however it's still a great card. Also, people Zombies. Come on, until Vamps got big, or small in this case, they were the black tribe. [/quote] I like Zombies more than Vampires...More Manly...XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｓｕｐｐｒｅｓｓｉｏｎ ＰＬＵＴＯ' timestamp='1308269456' post='5288816'] I like Vampires more than Sparkly Vampires...More Manly...XD [/quote] Because Sparkly Vampires suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niv-Mizzet Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 This card should be fun in EDH. Oops, sorry, Commander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1308347380' post='5290941'] Because Sparkly Vampires suck. [/quote] NO! That's a common misconception. They scrape, then lick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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