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[quote]Face-up Fiend-Type monsters gain 300 ATK and DEF. Once per turn, you can remove from play 1 Fiend-Type monster from your Graveyard to discard 1 Fiend-Type monster, then draw 1 card.[/quote]

Someone tell me whose idea it was to print this...
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[quote name='Rose' timestamp='1308409542' post='5292464']
It even targets all Fiend-Type monsters.
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This is piss-poor card design. If it where a Six Samurai Card, It would be banned, Yet I find DW even more annoying and OP than Six Sams(Mainly because you can drop a 2700 Beater from any of your cards). Yet this will stay at 3 while blinded morons buy the SD to get them. If we are going to leave this and Grapha at 3, surely we should give more decks a fighting chance of getting over grapha with little problems. Even if it's destroyed, Grapha becomes Fodder for this card, which in turn makes it easier to draw your next one. In other words, it's stupid. In short: We need more cards that are like Bottomless. RFP is a perfect Medicene to this. That Or Goyo, because he'll steal off the Grapha and leave it on the field, providing no fodder for This. Even for only 1 format, the return of Goyo would be welcomed while DW are popular.
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[quote]This is piss-poor card design. If it where a Six Samurai Card, It would be banned, Yet I find DW even more annoying and OP than Six Sams(Mainly because you can drop a 2700 Beater from any of your cards). Yet this will stay at 3 while blinded morons buy the SD to get them. If we are going to leave this and Grapha at 3, surely we should give more decks a fighting chance of getting over grapha with little problems. Even if it's destroyed, Grapha becomes Fodder for this card, which in turn makes it easier to draw your next one. In other words, it's stupid. In short: We need more cards that are like Bottomless. RFP is a perfect Medicene to this. That Or Goyo, because he'll steal off the Grapha and leave it on the field, providing no fodder for This. Even for only 1 format, the return of Goyo would be welcomed while DW are popular.[/quote]

the card is fine, lol

Grapha is the problem.
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[quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1308409819' post='5292477']
This is piss-poor card design. If it where a Six Samurai Card, It would be banned, [b]Yet I find DW even more annoying and OP than Six Sams[/b](Mainly because you can drop a 2700 Beater from any of your cards). Yet this will stay at 3 while blinded morons buy the SD to get them. If we are going to leave this and Grapha at 3, surely we should give more decks a fighting chance of getting over grapha with little problems. Even if it's destroyed, Grapha becomes Fodder for this card, which in turn makes it easier to draw your next one. In other words, it's stupid. In short: We need more cards that are like Bottomless. RFP is a perfect Medicene to this. That Or Goyo, because he'll steal off the Grapha and leave it on the field, providing no fodder for This. Even for only 1 format, the return of Goyo would be welcomed while DW are popular.
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That's absurd. Six Samurai are consistent as hell due to their plethora of support, but they're much much more broken than DW.

This card is good for Dark Worlds. They were previously all but unusuable and this card, alongside the other support, makes them playable because it lets you trigger Dark World effects without losing as much advantage. True, some of the support is a bit overpowered, but like Dragunities, DW heavily relies on this card to keep them running. They're inconsistent without it.

The problem with the game continues to be that in order for ANY deck to match up to the top decks, they need broken cards or OPed support. Without that support, the game is dominated by one or two decks. Sadly, to make other decks viable, they get these OPed cards. Grapha is probably the worst offender, but look at Machina Fortress: A Structure Boss done well, almost too well. I think Grapha and Master Hyperion are in the same vein: They make other decks viable and in the meta, that can only be a good thing.
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[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1308425911' post='5293158']
That's absurd. Six Samurai are consistent as hell due to their plethora of support, but they're much much more broken than DW.

This card is good for Dark Worlds. They were previously all but unusuable and this card, alongside the other support, makes them playable because it lets you trigger Dark World effects without losing as much advantage. True, some of the support is a bit overpowered, but like Dragunities, DW heavily relies on this card to keep them running. They're inconsistent without it.

The problem with the game continues to be that in order for ANY deck to match up to the top decks, they need broken cards or OPed support. Without that support, the game is dominated by one or two decks. Sadly, to make other decks viable, they get these OPed cards. Grapha is probably the worst offender, but look at Machina Fortress: A Structure Boss done well, almost too well. I think Grapha and Master Hyperion are in the same vein: They make other decks viable and in the meta, that can only be a good thing.
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Grapha is broken. Full stop.
I said I find them more OP and stupid than Six Sams. I know I play Six Sams. Might just be me.

Limit Grapha and leave this @3. That should be fair.
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[quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1308427026' post='5293205']
Grapha is broken. Full stop.
I said I find them more OP and stupid than Six Sams. I know I play Six Sams. Might just be me.

Limit Grapha and leave this @3. That should be fair.
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And Shi En isn't broken?

Six Samurais are one of the fastest and most consistent decks in the game right now, even with Gateway limited, owed especially to Shi En. Grapha's a drop in a bucket in comparison. Without the Field, Dark Worlds aren't consistent enough to be broken.

Note that the banlist is partially decided by what is topping. Unless Dark Worlds top in Japan, the support probably won't get hit.
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[quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1308427026' post='5293205']
Grapha is broken. Full stop.
I said I find them more OP and stupid than Six Sams. [b]I know I play Six Sams.[/b] Might just be me.

Limit Grapha and leave this @3. That should be fair.
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Yup, exactly why you can't see the problem with Six Samurai.

Both Gate and Grapha are fine. I didn't know a 2700 Beatstick was that much of a problem nowadays, hence why Malefics were made.

The only thing I can figure out is that Grapha beats your Shi Ens.
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[quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1308467389' post='5294654']
Grapha is a 2700 beatstick (3000 with gate) that is a +1 to summon and revives itself for the +1 again and again and again ...
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Let me know when Six Sams can stop making +infinity with just one card (well I should say 2 cards). Counters are such a plentiful resource for them.

In any case, a plain beatstick, regardless of how many times it can bring itself out is less of an issue to me than the B.S. Six Sams pull off. I never knew beatsticks were a thing to be afraid of in this day and age of Yugioh. To me, Grapha is no different than Malefics, despite how much it can +1 itself, yet you're complaining about this +1 than Six Samurai's to +a heck of a lot more. Also, other than being a 2700 ATK beatstick, it does nothing else to stop your opponent. It doesn't limit their plays outside of what kind of monster they're going to play, and you still have all of your available options intact to deal with the silly thing.

Bottomless Trap Hole is still favorable to some people. D. Prison is very popular. I dunno what happened to D.D. Crow though probably not used. Debunk could probably be used in a lot nowadays (probably for stuff like Dark Worlds and Synchro Decks, perhaps not so much as Six Samurais though).

Then again, Counters don't cause things to be less broken though, but I believe Grapha can be dealt with much easier Six Samurais themselves. At this time, I can't even imagine Grapha being semi'd or limited =/

But in the end, what do I know? I don't play in the game league as everyone else does, so as high level playing goes, I can't suggest what's good or bad. All I can tell from with my experience is Grapha is nothing compared to what is currently "Six Samurai".
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