Boss Z Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [center][url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Offering_to_the_Snake_Deity&image=OfferingtotheSnakeDeityPTDN-EN-R-1E-png][img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080526040609/yugioh/images/thumb/8/85/OfferingtotheSnakeDeityPTDN-EN-R-1E.png/358px-OfferingtotheSnakeDeityPTDN-EN-R-1E.png[/img][/url] [b]Destroy[/b] 1 [b]Reptile-Type[/b] monster you control [b]and[/b] 2 cards your opponent controls. [color="#FFFFFF"]^Worms, Aliens, Evol, Reptillianne[/color] [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/index.php?title=Icarus_Attack&image=IcarusAttackSDDL-EN-C-1E-jpg][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110422063516/yugioh/images/thumb/d/d8/IcarusAttackSDDL-EN-C-1E.jpg/354px-IcarusAttackSDDL-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img][/url] [b]Tribute[/b] 1 [b]Winged Beast-Type[/b] monster [b]to[/b] select 2 cards on the field. Destroy them. [color="#FFFFFF"]^Blackwings, Dragunity(?)[/color] [size="1"]The Changes in wording can actually make a big change in what the cards do... Offering to the Snake Deity is better, IMO, because it destroys your monster aswell, setting off various effects and allowing for major other support cards And I would say Icarus Attack has the better archtype to use it... but we've got Worms now too...[/size] Discuss[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Cloudians and Zombie World have their versions too. Which are actually +1s. [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081221191856/yugioh/images/f/f0/TrapoftheImperialTombCSOC-EN-R-1E.jpg[/img][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100716183103/yugioh/images/thumb/d/d8/RainStormGLAS-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-RainStormGLAS-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shizuku Oikawa Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Offering to the Snake Deity is slightly better than Icarus in some cases IMO. If the opponent negates it, you don't lose your Reptile. But Icarus can also be used in cases of a Bottomless to destroy their monsters and preventing yours from being Banished, but then again, so does OttSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Z Posted June 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1308504082' post='5295351'] Cloudians and Zombie World have their versions too. Which are actually +1s. [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081221191856/yugioh/images/f/f0/TrapoftheImperialTombCSOC-EN-R-1E.jpg[/img][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100716183103/yugioh/images/thumb/d/d8/RainStormGLAS-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-RainStormGLAS-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img] [/quote] Thier not quite the same, which is why they aren't in the OP, but they are good cards... Love cloudians, but I only ever use that thing on Nimbusman If Zombies get some more support again and jump tiers that card will be pro... problem is that its from the opponents Grave... which implies running Zombie World... which isn't that great of a card... and if Cloudians ever get an SD... then... [color="#FFFFFF"]It still wouldn't be that great of a card...[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
おジャマ・キング Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1308504082' post='5295351'] Cloudians and Zombie World have their versions too. Which are actually +1s. [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081221191856/yugioh/images/f/f0/TrapoftheImperialTombCSOC-EN-R-1E.jpg[/img][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100716183103/yugioh/images/thumb/d/d8/RainStormGLAS-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-RainStormGLAS-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img] [/quote] I don't think these cards are as good as Offering and Icarus because 1. how are you sure your opponent has Zombie cards? 2. spell and traps don't usually matter as much as Monster cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='MBArceus' timestamp='1308507359' post='5295484'] I don't think these cards are as good as Offering and Icarus because 1. how are you sure your opponent has Zombie cards? 2. spell and traps don't usually matter as much as Monster cards [/quote] 1. Zombie World. 2. Rain Storm is more flexible than Icarus and Offering. On the downside, only good in SanctuaryCloudians.dek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote]And I would say Icarus Attack has the better archtype to use it... [/quote] [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110601145435/yugioh/images/2/29/EvoldOdokerisPHSW-JP.png[/img] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110617175413/yugioh/images/4/4d/EvoldoVestoPHSW-JP.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 The only downside is that the Reptile has to be face-up to make Offerings to work, but it has so many good targets that it doesn't even matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Now there just needs to be an Evoldo that lets you search when it's removed from the field (or destroyed). There's one that SSs from the Grave via battle destruction but nothing to abuse the wording of Offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote]Now there just needs to be an Evoldo that lets you search when it's removed from the field (or destroyed).[/quote] Evoldar Tengu, Evoldarvell Dog and XX-Evoldosblade. Do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Problem is that wouldn't it be inconsistent since half of them are Dinosaurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHN. Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 hmm, I remember when I made a deck called 'itt: zombies have icarus attack'. fun times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Z Posted June 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1308508316' post='5295514'] [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110601145435/yugioh/images/2/29/EvoldOdokerisPHSW-JP.png[/img] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110617175413/yugioh/images/4/4d/EvoldoVestoPHSW-JP.jpg[/img] [/quote] I already knew that... but when i suggested it in someone's deck i was completely ignored... I can't wait to run Evol But ATM, the best targets are aliens and worms Plus... highlight the OP and you'll see something you missed...[quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1308508754' post='5295528'] Problem is that wouldn't it be inconsistent since half of them are Dinosaurs? [/quote] Not really, you use the reptiles to SS a Dino and then you rid the field of a reptile and opponents cards... WIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Bringerofcake' timestamp='1308508440' post='5295518'] The only downside is that the Reptile has to be face-up to make Offerings to work, but it has so many good targets that it [b]doesn't even matter[/b]. [/quote] le most common use for Offering is Worms, and they're usually face-down first turn you use them, I really don't like having to wait a turn to activate a trap, especially if my monster is vulnerable to being destroyed (say Yagan is destroyed, that's a +1 for the opponent, but if you could use Offering on it while its face down, you wouldn't have to worry about your opponent gaining advantage). Which is why I think Icarus Attack is better, just because of its chainability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Topic is missing on Gemeni Sparks and that Fish version. (slightly different but same structure at the end) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Offering is much easier to disrupt than Icarus Attack is. Since Offerings targets 3 specific cards (mainly due to it having to target your Reptile), all 3 targets must still be on the field to be valid. If either the Reptile, or either of your opponent's target cards are gone, then Offerings will fizzle. Even Book of Moon will render Offering useless. The targets for Icarus Attack only specify "2 cards your opponent controls". So long as they control them, it will destroy both of them, and even only one is that's all there is at resolution. In any case, Icarus > Offering. Even though Icarus tributes your Winged Beast monster, there are less ways to stop it. There are too many loopholes to Offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shizuku Oikawa Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='darkwolf777' timestamp='1308510037' post='5295563'] The targets for Icarus Attack only specify "2 cards your opponent controls". So long as they control them, it will destroy both of them, and even only one is that's all there is at resolution. [/quote] Icarus only says "2 cards on the field", not specifying your just opponent's. So even if they try to switch control, which is most likely a bad idea... And I didn't know that about Offering. You learn something new everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHN. Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='sleepy' timestamp='1308509812' post='5295559'] Fish version. [/quote] Dish Chepth Farge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Z Posted June 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='darkwolf777' timestamp='1308510037' post='5295563'] Offering is much easier to disrupt than Icarus Attack is. Since Offerings targets 3 specific cards (mainly due to it having to target your Reptile), all 3 targets must still be on the field to be valid. If either the Reptile, or either of your opponent's target cards are gone, then Offerings will fizzle. Even Book of Moon will render Offering useless. The targets for Icarus Attack only specify "2 cards your opponent controls". So long as they control them, it will destroy both of them, and even only one is that's all there is at resolution. In any case, Icarus > Offering. Even though Icarus tributes your Winged Beast monster, there are less ways to stop it. There are too many loopholes to Offering. [/quote] Good to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Ｎｏ.８３ ギャラクシー・クィーン' timestamp='1308510378' post='5295567'] Icarus only says "2 cards on the field", not specifying your just opponent's. So even if they try to switch control, which is most likely a bad idea... And I didn't know that about Offering. You learn something new everyday. [/quote] Yeah, sorry ;p just "two cards on the field". Who controls it wont fizzle the effect based on whether both targets stay on the field (what I mean to say with this is that say with Scrap Dragon, even if one of the cards it targets is gone, the other will still be destroyed), so I blame the fact that one of the three targets of Offering is "A Reptile-Type Monster" which is what's forcing all this to happen, which is why it fizzles if the Reptile is removed and why it fizzles even when only one of the opponent's cards is removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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