Flame Dragon Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 3UU PW - Jace (M) Loyalty - 4 +1 - Draw a card. Target player puts the top card of his or her library into his or her graveyard. 0 - Target player puts the top ten cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard. -7 - Any number of target players each draw twenty cards. VERY NICE Just thought I should add he's in M12 and the last 2 PW in the set are likely to be new as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Dammit, another Jace? I was hoping for a new Garruk. Anyways, I think the old Jeice is better. This one's pretty slow. And, live I've said before, this is Magic trying to bring Mill back into the meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 And it's from which set? Anyways, another Jace? RAEG. At least this once is balanced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 @Klavier Gavin - M12 most likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308877280' post='5306421'] Dammit, another Jace? I was hoping for a new Garruk. Anyways, I think the old Jeice is better. This one's pretty slow. And, live I've said before, this is Magic trying to bring Mill back into the meta. [/quote] We should be getting new versions of the other 2 as well. TMS is a lot better, but he's TMS. Original version is very close to this in power with me liking this a bit more. [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308877531' post='5306431'] @Klavier Gavin - M12 most likely [/quote] Yea, it is. I should say that. Anyway, it's funny how many people are hating on the card. Really, it balanced, and last I checked that's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Up next: A new Stoneforge Mystic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Balance doesn't have anything to do with it for me. I don't think that many magic players want a new jace. Mind Sculptor caused quite a few people to quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 NEW GARRUK HELL YEAH! Also Jace is becoming an anoying character...>_<...please Nicol kill him off already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1308876609' post='5306387'] 3UU PW - Jace (M) Loyalty - 4 +1 - Draw a card. Target player puts the top card of his or her library into his or her graveyard. 0 - Target player puts the top ten cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard. -7 - Any number of target players each draw twenty cards. VERY NICE Just thought I should add he's in M12 and the last 2 PW in the set are likely to be new as well. [/quote] Glider Bairn and Reliquary Tower like him. They like him a lot. But a 0 for a Glimpse the Unthinkable? I don't know. Then again, it's more than Brainstorm, which gives you card advantage (milling doesn't give any advantage). A +1 drawing ability is kinda iffy, but since this Jace is five mana, it should be fine. Overall, I like it. It looks good without being overpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='Mystery Guest' timestamp='1308942125' post='5307720'] Glider Bairn and Reliquary Tower like him. They like him a lot. But a 0 for a Glimpse the Unthinkable? I don't know. Then again, it's more than Brainstorm, which gives you card advantage (milling doesn't give any advantage). A +1 drawing ability is kinda iffy, but since this Jace is five mana, it should be fine. Overall, I like it. It looks good without being overpowered. [/quote] The thing about Glimpse the Unthinkable is that costs 2 mana while this cost 5. Personally I think that REALLY helps to take away the punch most people think it has. Over all it is that 5 that makes this a solid cards, but not a broken one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1308876609' post='5306387'] -7 - Any number of target players each draw twenty cards. [/quote] Watdafack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1308963753' post='5308534'] Watdafack [/quote] That's actually a horrible ability. Mana means that you're not going to play every card you draw, and there's a seven card hand limit. Magic =/= Yugioh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1308969462' post='5308688'] That's actually a horrible ability. Mana means that you're not going to play every card you draw, and there's a seven card hand limit. Magic =/= Yugioh [/quote] You'll still have all the answers you could ask for. Plus odds are a decent number of those cards would end up being lands anyway and you can easily drop most of them. But yea, the ability does have some problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 I think it's more for your opponent. It's like a 20 card mill, or game if your opponent has < 20 cards in their deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal Chaos Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 It could come in handy if you Run Spell Books, an artifact that costs nothing and you have no maximun hand size will work wonders with this card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niv-Mizzet Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Jace's ultimate into Jace's Archivist (Spoiled card, everyone discards their hand and draws the most anyone discarded for U, Tap). 40 cards milled in one turn. Probably one of the later turns, but hey, it's a combo. EDIT: With Jace's Erasure, when you draw the 20 cards with Archivist after your opponent discards them, they mill 20 more. Mill OTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 I don't know anything about Magic, so could someone explain why "Any number of target players each draw twenty cards." is an OK effect for ANY card game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 It's fine in MTG, given that Mana limits your ability to play stuff, and you'll most likely discard most of drawn stuff because of hand size limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 [quote name='Klavier Gavin' timestamp='1309100954' post='5311819'] It's fine in MTG, given that Mana limits your ability to play stuff, and you'll most likely discard most of drawn stuff because of hand size limit [/quote] How many cards are in a deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 [quote name='Klavier Gavin' timestamp='1309102358' post='5311867'] 60 [/quote] And most of your deck is Lands/Mana, correct? So... Can you only play 1 Land a turn or... Excuse my ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 No and yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1309108737' post='5312103'] And most of your deck is Lands/Mana, correct? So... Can you only play 1 Land a turn or... Excuse my ignorance. [/quote] No, about 33-40% of the deck is land. And yea, you play 1 land per turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal Chaos Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 But there are spells that let you play more lands a turn, heck there is even a creature that lets you play a land up to twice a turn I think, or maybe it was an extra two lands a turn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 [quote name='Dark Hero Flashman' timestamp='1309123235' post='5312720'] But there are spells that let you play more lands a turn, heck there is even a creature that lets you play a land up to twice a turn I think, or maybe it was an extra two lands a turn [/quote] Oracle of Dul...whatever let's you play an additional Land per turn...and also let you play the land from the top of your deck but only when you are still in the 2 lands per turn limit...XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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