=CC Disc.= Fake Types?

[Nathanael D. Striker]

[quote name='krisanderson' timestamp='1312780535' post='5424312']
I think this is a whole lot of hoopla, yeah I said hoopla (since it's not a real word, there is no correct spelling, lol) anyway, I think, just post the fake types in pop culture or something. Thats the reason why there are more than one posting areas. All posting areas are viewed relatively similar, so why worry where you post it. Honestly, I could care less where they go, but seriously people, you can be creative and not have to go and make new types. Just stick with the ones out now, there are enough, lol. That's my view on the subject, take it or leave it.
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Viewed similar? Are you high? RC happens to be the better sections in terms of recent activity.

[Time Psyduck]

Let fake types and similar innovations go in any other cards.
1) It keeps realistic cards for cards that fit within the current game, so people don't get annoyed.
2) It will improve the traffic and overall quality of any other cards, and give it a better role than "stuff that's not good enough for realistic."

[Sploda]

[quote name='Time Psyduck' timestamp='1312817757' post='5424935']
Let fake types and similar innovations go in any other cards.
1) It keeps realistic cards for cards that fit within the current game, so people don't get annoyed.
2) It will improve the traffic and overall quality of any other cards, and give it a better role than "stuff that's not good enough for realistic."
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Yet you see, your second argument also defeats the purpose of those Fake-Types being "innovations" since AoC's reputation is "not good enough" no one will look at the cards, and they won't be taken seriously.

If people desire a section for cards that fit within the game, then couldn't a sub-fourm be placed in Realistic for OCG/TCG-style cards? I mean Realistic Cards can be realistic without fitting perfectly into the OCG/TCG's Meta all the time.

[♥Łövëły-Ċħän♥]

Also, adding to what Time said, it'll reduce trouble in RC. A majority of RC doesn't like fake-types or they often snipe those threads. They wouldn't get much traffic at all since fake-types would require tons of support and alot of people avoid commenting in threads with more that 10 cards. Those empty fake-type threads will be bumped in hopes of gaining comments and will eventually run down other threads making more bumps necessary to keep the real Realistic Cards in flow.

[Hunter.]

fake-type cards are most often annoying, and will only result in the poster being flamed. i request that fake-types would be outlawed. it would save us realists the bother of flaming your ass. failing that; i request a new section entirely: the Unrealistic Cards section. keep Realistic Cards [i]real.[/i]

[Sploda]

I can understand that point of view, however it's only a majority of members. That isn't to say that there won't be members to comment on these threads, and why not release them bit by bit. No one said a Thread had to release all 50 cards the person made at once. Post them as they are made and allow people to watch the progress.

I just don't want to see possible creative cards ignored simply because they were put in a section that no one really wants anything to do with.

[Hunter.]

well, the FTK will comment on the fake types and no-one else will have to. deal?

[♥Łövëły-Ċħän♥]

[quote name='Enzax Aito' timestamp='1312818969' post='5424974']
why not release them bit by bit. No one said a Thread had to release all 50 cards the person made at once. Post them as they are made and allow people to watch the progress.[/quote]
The thing is, that is what happens. They start small but gradually get larger. And that's when people start losing interest, they miss a few updates and it builds until theres a good 15 cards they have to review and they don't feel like having to go back over all of them. Instead they'll use an insufficient comment like "Updates are cool and pretty good" when in reality, some suck but the commenter didnt want to read through it all and missed them.

Well...I can't speak for everyone but, it seems as though that is what it is. But still, even if that's not it, I can say that a majority of posts in extensive card sets are poor and insufficient comments like the example above.

Why should Fake-Types be banned? Just AoC them. Unrealistic Section most likely wont happen because we already have a section that hold the unrealistic cards. AoC.

[Hunter.]

they should at least be banned from RC.

[Sploda]

@hunter
I don't see how you can Ban something that the fourm maker placed in the card maker himself.


[quote name='♥Łövëły-Ċħän♥' timestamp='1312819834' post='5425006']
The thing is, that is what happens. They start small but gradually get larger. And that's when people start losing interest, they miss a few updates and it builds until theres a good 15 cards they have to review and they don't feel like having to go back over all of them. Instead they'll use an insufficient comment like "Updates are cool and pretty good" when in reality, some suck but the commenter didnt want to read through it all and missed them.
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So you set a limit on how many cards can be placed in a single thread. No more than 10 or 15 would be good. An exception would be sat a [Set] tag meaning you intend to post an entire set of cards. That way people only comment on Sets if they want to.

[♥Łövëły-Ċħän♥]

There shouldn't have to be a limit on cards in a thread if their all that closely connected. That's somewhat pointless as many current custom sets are more than 10-15 cards.

I don't really understand why it's an issue having Fake-Types in AoC. Hunter is correct and so is Striker. While RC does have more traffic than AoC, Fake-Types being added to that traffic would potentially bring flamers and why would one want more traffic in their threads if its all or a majority of flames? That seems more like instigation rather than a desire for more comments.

[Sploda]

I don't see how it's the topic creator's fault that people have an urge or need to flame him/her for the cards they make. It's not instigation at all, it's merely a desire to have their cards noticed by people who actually know what they are talking about. The only one at fault when flaming begins is the person flaming, not the person being flamed. That is like saying it's your fault for being shot in the back when the mobster pulled the trigger.

Placing Fake-Types in AoC is the same as tossing them in a trash can. The only people who hang around AoC are those who want Member Cards or just want to make lulzy cards. For most Fake-Types that is acceptable, simply because people make types like "Cat" or "Android" which are already covered. However, if someone wants to try and make a Fake-Type that fits with the game as much as they can possibly make it, it's supposed to be stuck in a section full of trolls and people who don't appreciate it's value? That hardly seems fair to anyone.

[Hunter.]

you guys like fake-types and can give them enough support. period.

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

I just had this idea. What if, like they did with the TCG strategy section, we just used the completed sets section for fake types and similar instead? The traffic there seems quite low anyway, and a finished set could probably be posted right here anyway. A lot of the topics I see are just people who make a huge set of cards and post it there, not even touching the main RC forum.

This is only a suggestion though.

[LC]

There is no reason for fake-types to be outlawed. Like most have said if they have enough support behind the type and it doesn't fit in to one of Konami's already made types. I don't see any reason for them to be put anywhere else besides RC if the creator knows what they're doing. If all the people that hate fake-types just gave them a chance and looked at maybe one or 2 good sets it would work. It's not the fake-types that make them bad, it's the people that don't know how to make them good.

[Chaos Dralcax]

Ok:
Ice
Ghost
Toxic
Amphibian
Dual types (Machine-Dragon, Dragon-Spellcaster, Pyro-Warrior, etc)

Not Ok:
Digital
Person
Weapon
Cyborg
Justin Bieber

I support dual-types more than actual fake types. Good fake-types are for the kind of monsters whose types don't really fit them, like how Treeborn Frog is Aqua and how a bunch of monsters are ice-themed but are listed as other types. And some are just to accomodate interesting none of the above monsters. Bad types are the pointless ones, like a cyborg could just be a machine that is also treated as another type, and all the other dumb things that should be limited to joke cards.

[This Account is Unplayable]

Amphibian = Aqua, bro.

[♥Łövëły-Ċħän♥]

[quote name='Chaos Bakugan' timestamp='1312845079' post='5425942']
Ok:
Ice [b]Iffy, sounds more like an Attribute. Also you could just use Aqua...but idk...Aqua kinda covers this. After all, some Ice Barriers are Aqua.[/b]
Ghost [b]Basically Zombie[/b]
Toxic [b]Nice[/b]
Amphibian = [b]Frogs[/b]
Dual types (Machine-Dragon, Dragon-Spellcaster, Pyro-Warrior, etc) [b]Not really ok. We have effects like "This card is also treated as---"[/b]

Not Ok:
Digital [b]Machine[/b]
Person [b]Warrior[/b]
Weapon [b]Machine / Warrior / Equip Spell[/b]
Cyborg [b]Psychic[/b]
Justin Bieber [b]lol[/b]

I support dual-types more than actual fake types. Good fake-types are the kind of monsters usually types that don't really fit them, like how Treeborn Frog is Aqua and how a bunch of monsters are ice-themed but are listed as other types. And some are just to accomodate interesting none of the above monsters. Bad types are the pointless ones that make more sense without, like a cyborg could just be a machine that is also treated as another type, and all the other dumb things that should be limited to joke cards.
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We must collaborate on a list of nonusable fake-types.

The reason I only suggested a list of Nonapplicable Fake-types is because making a list of applicable fake-types would give an impression of us surpressing creativity. Making Nonapplicable list gives an impression of us restricting fake types that would be just straight redundant.

[Chaos Dralcax]

Well, water and ice are different, and ghost is meant to describe some ethereal thing and not just undead souls. And frogs don't seem like they belong in aqua, they maybe need their own type. After all, aqua monsters are generally water attributes, but what's gonna stop card makers from making frogs and toads of other attributes?

[This Account is Unplayable]

Water and ice aren't different... ice is frozen water... Ghosts are either Zombie or Fiend, you can't find an exception to that. Frogs are aqua, and aqua doesn't need to be water, look at Fire Kraken.

[♥Łövëły-Ċħän♥]

Either way. If it's decided that we accept Fake-Types. A List of Nonapplicable Fake-Types should be made to avoid redundant types.

[Icy]

Ignoring the social implications (that isnt a factor here), you do bring up a few good points on the assumed requirement and lack of quality posts inside those.

[LiquidDJ11]

Why not say Poison instead of toxic by the way. Ghost is different from zombie, so ya it could be a different type.
i support fake types, as long as they arent like pointless (as said above)

[♥Łövëły-Ċħän♥]

It doesnt much matter what you call it. They're both the related in essence. Anyways Ghost and Zombie have very similar principles and are to closely related to be considered applicable. It's redundant to Zombie.

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

Fish - Sea serpent - Aqua
Beast - Beast Warrior
Warrior - Beast Warrior
Dinosaur - Reptile

I really don't see a point in saying "You can do fake types as long as you don't do these fake types"