Akira Posted August 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 [quote name='~ P O L A R I S ~' timestamp='1312925708' post='5428455'] Why are haircuts not "non-consensual child mutilation" when the children don't consent? [/quote] Hair is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzi Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 [quote name='Akira' timestamp='1312961121' post='5429731'] Hair is dead. [/quote] And grows back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Just out of curiosity, what makes a human so much more important when it's parasitic union with it's "mother" is broken? inb4i'manignorantmoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 [quote name='Kizzi' timestamp='1313004790' post='5430848'] And grows back. [/quote] But maximum potential length decreases. [quote name='Akira' timestamp='1312961121' post='5429731'] Hair is dead. [/quote] Touché, fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1313015271' post='5431481'] Just out of curiosity, what makes a human so much more important when it's parasitic union with it's "mother" is broken? inb4i'manignorantmoron [/quote] I was just thinking about that. There are several Pro-Choice people who are against it, but it seems contradictory. Sure! Parents can decide whether they want you to live or not, but of course, they shouldn't choose if a piece of skin is removed from your no-no area! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 [quote name='Vough' timestamp='1313042622' post='5432524'] I was just thinking about that. There are several Pro-Choice people who are against it, but it seems contradictory. Sure! Parents can decide whether they want you to live or not, but of course, they shouldn't choose if a piece of skin is removed from your no-no area! [/quote] There are different beliefs on whether a fetus is actually a person or not so don't go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1313043186' post='5432535'] There are different beliefs on whether a fetus is actually a person or not so don't go there. [/quote] KAY +1post count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Don't uncircumcised people masturbate more? I think I remember reading that somewhere. That kind of [i]implies[/i] that masturbation feels better for those that are uncut. Although, I suppose it differs from person to person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 [quote name='ＨORUS' timestamp='1313106080' post='5434291'] Don't uncircumcised people masturbate more? I think I remember reading that somewhere. That kind of [i]implies[/i] that masturbation feels better for those that are uncut. Although, I suppose it differs from person to person. [/quote] Stones skip farther than other rocks. Therefore, stones must be better swimmers than other rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 [quote name='Vough' timestamp='1313110350' post='5434557'] Stones skip farther than other rocks. Therefore, stones must be better swimmers than other rocks. [/quote] Yeah, Touché. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1313043186' post='5432535'] There are different beliefs on whether a fetus is actually a person or not so don't go there. [/quote] There are obviously different beliefs on whether circumcision is okay or not, so don't go there. -___________________- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1313113372' post='5434686'] There are obviously different beliefs on whether circumcision is okay or not, so don't go there. -___________________- [/quote] Not the point that was trying to be made. The fact that a human being should have a say in what happens to him or her is universally accepted by pro-lifers and pro-choicers everywhere. The matter-of-fact is that pro-choicers don't believe a fetus fits that description, and thus it is the mother's choice whether or not to have an abortion. Circumcision always happens when the baby is born, and it's impossible to refute that it is a cognitive human being. So at that point, it [i]should[/i] be the child's choice. Don't try to use a parallel argument (which are usually effective) when you don't even understand the situation at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 But I disagree with the statement that there's any difference between a fetus and a baby in terms of importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1313182581' post='5436903'] But I disagree with the statement that there's any difference between a fetus and a baby in terms of importance. [/quote] Some people don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 I know, I'm just saying that opinions vary on the significance of pre-birth human organisms and how much control a parent should have over small children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Circumcision as a Religious thing I do not agree with. However, the removal of the Foreskin does have its benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1313193323' post='5437512'] I know, I'm just saying that opinions vary on the significance of pre-birth human organisms and how much control a parent should have over small children. [/quote] So just as you find it ironic that pro-choicers don't want babies to be forced into circumcision, we find it extremely ironic that pro-lifers (some, at least) want to force babies to have circumcision. It's a child, right? It can make its own decisions, so don't force anything upon it. Seriously, you just don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1313197418' post='5437755'] So just as you find it ironic that pro-choicers don't want babies to be forced into circumcision, we find it extremely ironic that pro-lifers (some, at least) want to force babies to have circumcision. It's a child, right? It can make its own decisions, so don't force anything upon it. Seriously, you just don't get it. [/quote] What doesn't he get? And it's not a "force" thing. It has benefits. Pro-Lifers shouldn't be labeled as "FORCE YOUR NEWBORN TO GET CIRCUMCISED!!!", because that's just stupid. Pro-Choicers shouldn't be labeled as, "LET'S WAIT TO SEE WHAT OUR CHILD WANT REGARDING THEIR NONO PARTS!", because that's stupid also. It completely relies on what the parent's choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 ...that doesn't make sense. Why do pro-lifers want to criminalize abortion? Because they believe that a fetus is a human and has a right to [i]choice[/i], a right to make decisions for itself. If that isn't the reason, then pro-lifers are even stupider than I thought. So why would pro-lifers want to force circumcision upon a child? They have a right to a [i]choice[/i], right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1313217743' post='5438592'] ...that doesn't make sense. Why do pro-lifers want to criminalize abortion? Because they believe that a fetus is a human and has a right to [i]choice[/i], a right to make decisions for itself. If that isn't the reason, then pro-lifers are even stupider than I thought. So why would pro-lifers want to force circumcision upon a child? They have a right to a [i]choice[/i], right? [/quote] I love how you derive "logic" from your own biased opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 ...where the hell am I deriving logic in that post? If you're a pro-lifer and have another reason to decriminalize abortion, please tell me, but for the argument I used I tried choosing the [i]most logical[/i] of the arguments from a pro-lifer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheComposer Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 First off, why hasn't this been moved to debates yet? And secondly, just because a baby isn't developed yet, they still shouldn't have anything irreversible done to them. The parent's are making that choice for them, and I don't believe that's right. Sure you can't compare foreskin to an arm, BUT THE IDEA IS THE SAME. It's the parent forcing a decision on a child that the child didn't make. Well you say that the baby won't care/know about it anyway since it's not old enough to understand yet. That's an even bigger reason why this bugs me. You're taking advantage of your child not being able to understand yet and making the decision then, instead of waiting until they are old enough to understand. That's just taking advantage of them, and that's just wrong. I don't care if it's foreskin or a leg, the idea is the same. The result may not be, but the idea is, and that's what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted August 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 [quote name='J-Max' timestamp='1313193412' post='5437518'] Circumcision as a Religious thing I do not agree with. However, the removal of the Foreskin does have its benefits. [/quote] Only in LEDC countries to prevent the spread of STDs or in the case of phimosis. Otherwise it's just detrimental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1313218562' post='5438606'] ...where the hell am I deriving logic in that post? If you're a pro-lifer and have another reason to decriminalize abortion, please tell me, but for the argument I used I tried choosing the [i]most logical[/i] of the arguments from a pro-lifer. [/quote] Logic is subjective. You can't apply the logic that you don't get to choose whether you have an abortion or not to having a circumcision or not, as they are 2 completely different things. It's like comparing my dislike for Broccoli and saying I dislike celeri too, however I don't. Would you say that every Republican would support George Bush? Because I know I don't. I'm not Pro-Life because I don't think people should have a choice in the matter, but I think that even a fetus is life, and killing it is murder. Abortion is different because it's preventing/taking life, whereas this is debating whether skin should be removed from a live baby. Circumcision lowers the chance of getting UTIs, penile cancer, and STDs. It also helps keep the special area cleaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted August 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 [quote name='Vough' timestamp='1313227657' post='5438723'] Circumcision lowers the chance of getting UTIs, penile cancer, and STDs. It also helps keep the special area cleaner. [/quote] CITATION NEEDED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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