Legend Zero Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1322443902' post='5671096'] Except in California... In California Weed is legal... [/quote] You can only carry it with a permit (which is easily faked I hear), and the amount of robberys/murders involving distribution centers is quite high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travie Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322417184' post='5669690'] You're using retarded logic to try to distract from the point. Weed being not as bad as alcohol or cigarettes is not a valid reason on it's own to be legal. However, you have yet to state a valid reason why pot should remain illegal and alcohol shouldn't be banned. The government shouldn't tell people what to do to themselves. Especially a drug which is relatively harmless. Maybe we should criminalize trans fats? They're extremely bad for you. We're not talking about whether it's bad or not. We're discussing whether it justifies putting someone in prison and taking their freedom away, which is worse than any drug. [/quote] I am going to bash my head against this keyboard repeatedly if you keep going on like this. .-.' I really don't get why some people are bitching on this thread about how it's illegal and should be legal when it's only been illegal for about 1% of the time it has been in use. It is in more recent years that everyone has been avoiding the correct reasons why marijuana is illegal and using reasons such as 'politicians want to come across as powerful'. There is a long, long history the induces violence due to marijuana which is why it should remain illegal. It is not just in recent years that it has been illegal now, is it? The illegality of marijuana dates back to roughly the 1910s. Basically, in a nutshell it all began in the western states where they developed significant tensions due to the influx of Mexican-Americans. Bad feelings developed between the small farmer and the larger farmer who would use cheap Mexican labor and what came next? The depression which increased tensions as jobs and welfare became scarce. [i]"'One of the “differences” seized upon during this time was the fact that many Mexicans smoked marijuana and had brought the plant with them, and it was through this that California apparently passed the first state marijuana law, outlawing “preparations of hemp, or loco weed.”[/i] [color=#000000][font=tahoma, arial, sans-serif][size=3][left][i]Other states quickly followed suit with marijuana prohibition laws, including Wyoming (1915), Texas (1919), Iowa (1923), Nevada (1923), Oregon (1923), Washington (1923), Arkansas (1923), and Nebraska (1927). These laws tended to be specifically targeted against the Mexican-American population.[/i][/left][/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=tahoma, arial, sans-serif][size=3][left][i]When Montana outlawed marijuana in 1927, the Butte Montana Standard reported a legislator’s comment: “When some beet field peon takes a few traces of this stuff… he thinks he has just been elected president of Mexico, so he starts out to execute all his political enemies.” In Texas, a senator said on the floor of the Senate: “All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff [marijuana] is what makes them crazy.”[i]"[/i][/i][/left][/size][/font][/color] In eastern states racism was part of the charge against marijuana, as newspapers in 1934 editorialized: [i]“Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men’s shadows and look at a white woman twice.”[/i] [i][b]During this time, the United States was also dealing with alcohol prohibition, which lasted from 1919 to 1933. Alcohol prohibition was extremely visible and debated at all levels, while drug laws were passed without the general public’s knowledge. National alcohol prohibition happened through the mechanism of an amendment to the constitution.[/b][/i] [i][b]- For all the people who are saying "IF MARIJUANA ISN'T BANNED WHY HASN'T ALCOHOL EVER BEEN BANNED HURRRR" [/b][/i] There is so much more but I am not going to literally go through the ages just to make a point. By the way; [i]I never said alcohol should not be banned.[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A. Zoidberg Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 So basically, your argument is that blatant racists are correct? Hey, here's a concept! Just because a minority of a group is violent/acts a certain way doesn't mean the entire group is at fault. Are we going to say "I hate Muslims for 9/11" when in fact that violent ones are a minority compared to the vast majority of the Muslim population? Oh, and it's [i]soo [/i]horrible that marijuana gave African Americans confidence to not go by the status quo. Really, [i]such[/i] a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travie Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='John A. Zoidberg' timestamp='1322458243' post='5671736'] So basically, your argument is that blatant racists are correct? Hey, here's a concept! Just because a minority of a group is violent/acts a certain way doesn't mean the entire group is at fault. Are we going to say "I hate Muslims for 9/11" when in fact that violent ones are a minority compared to the vast majority of the Muslim population? Oh, and it's [i]soo [/i]horrible that marijuana gave African Americans confidence to not go by the status quo. Really, [i]such[/i] a shame. [/quote] My argument is that with marijuana a history of violence follows, honestly, please read. you would have thought that the argument's objective was pretty clear. .-.'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Marijuana really doesn't provoke violence. The only reason it's associated with violence is because it's illegal. If you legalize it, there's no crime to commit and they all just start killing each other over something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322485117' post='5671990'] Marijuana really doesn't provoke violence. The only reason it's associated with violence is because it's illegal. If you legalize it, there's no crime to commit and they all just start killing each other over something else. [/quote] Easier access for children? Soccer moms would burn down the capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A. Zoidberg Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1322512900' post='5672649'] Easier access for children? Soccer moms would burn down the capital. [/quote] So we should keep it illegal because a minority of people would be unhappy? Okay! Let's legalize murder, cause we don't want them serial killers to be unhappy, do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 If your child can get marijuana they can probably also access alcohol and whatever you have in your medicine cabinet. Parent's should take some responsibility for their stoner children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='John A. Zoidberg' timestamp='1322512972' post='5672656'] So we should keep it illegal because a minority of people would be unhappy? Okay! Let's legalize murder, cause we don't want them serial killers to be unhappy, do we? [/quote] I suppose lighthearted humor is too much for this subject? [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322513001' post='5672658'] If your child can get marijuana they can probably also access alcohol and whatever you have in your medicine cabinet. Parent's should take some responsibility for their stoner children. [/quote] Remember that Alaskan statistic, about the double the national average for teen users? Wouldn't the country/congress have to take responsibility for their stoner citizens? The only two things I seriously see the good in legalizing it is the money and jail space, but I do like how this thread is turning. =O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A. Zoidberg Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Regarding the Alaska thing; did you ever think that maybe it doubled because people were less afraid to use it? I don't get how widespread use is a negative thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='John A. Zoidberg' timestamp='1322513701' post='5672711'] Regarding the Alaska thing; did you ever think that maybe it doubled because people were less afraid to use it? I don't get how widespread use is a negative thing. [/quote] Not all people, teens. As in, lower than the legal age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A. Zoidberg Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I still don't understand the negative effects of widespread use. Yeah, it's still illegality, but it's also a matter of equality in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Oh well. I shouldn't be arrested and have to fail out of classes, costing me a few thousand dollars as well as time just because I feel like smoking pot in my bedroom. Hell, I probably wouldn't smoke it even if it was legal. It's about ethics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-dreezyAFG Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1322425658' post='5669970'] Allow me to disagree with that... Consequences that can be produced from consensual sex... -Sexually Transmitted Diseases -Opposing partner accidentally getting pregnant Consequences of masturbation -Clean up People who masturbate are not losers in fact they are more logical then those who do have sex... And there is nothing wrong with porn... Don't come in here with that bullsh*t logic that people who masturbate are losers with no GF or BF... [/quote] there is nothing wrong with porn. i didn't say that was bad. nor was i implying. i stated who may do it. nowhere did i say it was wrong, even though its bad for me to watch it =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 [quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1322425658' post='5669970'] Allow me to disagree with that... Consequences that can be produced from consensual sex... -Sexually Transmitted Diseases [b]Life's full of risks. If I'm going to be shot next week by some maniac, I don't care. Gotta live your life.[/b] -Opposing partner accidentally getting pregnant [b]y'know, if you have it at the right time, it's almost impossible for that to happen?[/b] Consequences of masturbation -Clean up [b]How is this a consequence?[/b] People who masturbate are not losers in fact they are more logical then those who do have sex... And there is nothing wrong with porn... Don't come in here with that bullsh*t logic that people who masturbate are losers with no GF or BF... [/quote] 80% of males fap, it's perfectly normal. Just because you fap doesn't mean you're forever alone.jpg. Anyway, I don't see the need to kill yourself and waste money [/thread] As far as Medical side of them are concerned, they save lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 The estimation for periods aren't exactly 100 percent accurate, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travie Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 [quote name='Shard' timestamp='1322583964' post='5674087'] 80% of males fap, it's perfectly normal. Just because you fap doesn't mean you're forever alone.jpg. Anyway, I don't see the need to kill yourself and waste money [/thread] As far as Medical side of them are concerned, they save lives. [/quote] True, if you use file types that are unneeded at the end of a word, however. That's when you're screwed. ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 The topic, lets stay on it. What are your guys opinions on weed being "the gateway" drug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 I think Marijuana should be legalized so potheads will have nothing to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 [quote name='Clear Vice Dragon' timestamp='1322587720' post='5674155'] The estimation for periods aren't exactly 100 percent accurate, you know. [/quote] I forgot what the time is, pretty sure it was like 20 days after or something. But if you have sex, there's a risk the woman will get pregnant -.- That's what sex is for, reproduction. Not fun. Not that it's wrong to have it for fun, but you have to realise it's still a risk. As far as I am concerned, people can continue to kill themselves with drugs and learn absolutely nothing from the people who have died. If people realised this, drug usage would go down a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 [quote name='Shard' timestamp='1322595383' post='5674370'] I forgot what the time is, pretty sure it was like 20 days after or something. But if you have sex, there's a risk the woman will get pregnant -.- That's what sex is for, reproduction. Not fun. Not that it's wrong to have it for fun, but you have to realise it's still a risk. As far as I am concerned, people can continue to kill themselves with drugs and learn absolutely nothing from the people who have died. If people realised this, drug usage would go down a lot. [/quote] [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1322588792' post='5674179'] The topic, lets stay on it. [/quote] Let's keep sex out of this, I won't verbally warn again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1322595538' post='5674376'] Let's keep sex out of this, I won't verbally warn again. [/quote] sure thing, I don't know how we got onto the topic anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 These are apparently the 12 main reasons to legalize it, according to http://www.balancedpolitics.org/marijuana_legalization.htm 1. The drug generally isn't more harmful than alcohol or tobacco if used in moderation. 2. Limiting the use of the drug intrudes on personal freedom. 3. Legalization would mean a lower price; thus, related crimes (like theft) would be reduced. 4. There are medical benefits such as the those for cancer patients. 5. Street justice related to drug disputes would be reduced. 6. It could be a source of additional tax revenues. 7. Police and court resources would be freed up for more serious crimes. 8. Drug dealers (including some terrorists) would lose most or all of their business. 9. The FDA or others could regulate the quality and safety of drugs. 10. Like sex, alcohol, or cigarettes, marijuana is one of life's little pleasures for some people. 11. Aside from recreational drug use, Cannabis has several industrial and commercial uses, as over 25,000 products can be made from the crop. 12. Drug busts often trap young people in a flawed system that turns them into lifelong criminals. I'll let others go before I take my hand at these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1322595977' post='5674388'] These are apparently the 12 main reasons to legalize it, according to [url="http://www.balancedpolitics.org/marijuana_legalization.htm"]http://www.balancedp...egalization.htm[/url] 1. The drug generally isn't more harmful than alcohol or tobacco if used in moderation. [b]True, but not a legitimate reason. [/b] 2. Limiting the use of the drug intrudes on personal freedom. [b]100% agree with this. [/b] 3. Legalization would mean a lower price; thus, related crimes (like theft) would be reduced. [b]Pot related crimes would be reduced, yes. The same people would just switch drugs. [/b] 4. There are medical benefits such as the those for cancer patients. [b]100% correct.[/b] 5. Street justice related to drug disputes would be reduced. [b]Not really, see #3. Pot related disputes only. [/b] 6. It could be a source of additional tax revenues. [b]Yup. [/b] 7. Police and court resources would be freed up for more serious crimes. [b]Absolutely. [/b] 8. Drug dealers (including some terrorists) would lose most or all of their business. [b] Nope. See #3.[/b] 9. The FDA or others could regulate the quality and safety of drugs. [b]Yessir. [/b] 10. Like sex, alcohol, or cigarettes, marijuana is one of life's little pleasures for some people. [b]Well, not really, but the government still can't make that judgement. [/b] 11. Aside from recreational drug use, Cannabis has several industrial and commercial uses, as over 25,000 products can be made from the crop. [b]Yup.[/b] 12. Drug busts often trap young people in a flawed system that turns them into lifelong criminals. [b]YES. THIS IS VERY TRUE. Some kids are just prone to get into trouble, but this is still true. [/b] I'll let others go before I take my hand at these. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 I actually agree with everything the pokemon said...I guess we just weigh stuff differently. =O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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