Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [quote name='Seth the Sorceror' timestamp='1324148844' post='5712906'] I think this card is great. You have to use cards specifically for it to make it that bad. [/quote] You mean a monster with 100 or more attack? That is VERY specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth the Sorceror Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 No I just mean to make it as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [quote name='Seth the Sorceror' timestamp='1324151651' post='5713011'] No I just mean to make it as bad as everyone is making it out to be. [/quote] And like we've said, all you have to do is equip to an opponent's monster then attack that monster. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth the Sorceror Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1324151643' post='5713010'] You mean a monster with 100 or more attack? That is VERY specific. [/quote] Nonono! I mean to keep it coming back when it is gone!Sheez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [quote name='Seth the Sorceror' timestamp='1324151744' post='5713018'] Nonono! I mean to keep it coming back when it is gone!Sheez! [/quote] We've been complaining about it coming out in the first place :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth the Sorceror Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1324151708' post='5713017'] And like we've said, all you have to do is equip to an opponent's monster then attack that monster. Simple as that. [/quote] you're not listening!you dont understand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [quote name='Seth the Sorceror' timestamp='1324151817' post='5713023'] you're not listening!you dont understand! [/quote] Then kindly explain please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [quote name='Seth the Sorceror' timestamp='1324151817' post='5713023'] you're not listening!you dont understand! [/quote] Then articulate yourself a little better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth the Sorceror Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [color=#00ffff][b]*Icyblue used Icebeam to freeze your comments?*[/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [quote name='Seth the Sorceror' timestamp='1324151942' post='5713033'] Charizard!Use Fire Blast to delete all of the bad comments about this card! [/quote] You have yet to explain And this is spam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [quote name='Seth the Sorceror' timestamp='1324152382' post='5713063'] No matter what anyone says this card would be great for Konami to publish [/quote]Nope. Actually give evidence based on the format of this game to see why this is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [quote name='Daemon' timestamp='1324152436' post='5713068'] Nope. Actually give evidence based on the format of this game to why this is good. [/quote] I am just going to delete his posts here until he replies with WHY HE THINKS SO. I don't care about the format, I care about the why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 So let's see. You have this card + any monster and your opponent loses a monster and you get a fairly free one? Seems like an average card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [quote name='Icyblue' timestamp='1324152483' post='5713072'] I am just going to delete his posts here until he replies with WHY HE THINKS SO. I don't care about the format, I care about the why. [/quote] He gave up so don't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [quote name='Icyblue' timestamp='1324152483' post='5713072'] I am just going to delete his posts here until he replies with WHY HE THINKS SO. I don't care about the format, I care about the why. [/quote]I thought about the evidence to give a reason why this card was good, if he mentioned more about cards that are used this format, it could have been more understood by me and me alone, possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Seth is post locked for 24 hours. If Icy wishes for a different punishment, his choice. Purging thread, so please stop replying to seth. EDIT: Purge done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted December 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Okay, I haven't read everything in this thread since I was just about to say how I would fix the card to make it less broken (which I realized after reading Twilight's comment) but apparently I got banned at just that moment. Of course, sure my card may be a little broken, but if you all think this is the best example for bad card design on here... Anyways, my fix: "equip to a level 6 or lower monster your opponent controls" there you go, card's fixed. Anyone still thinking it's broken? Just in case someone thinks so, make that level 4. It excludes all boss monsters and Xyz's which I assume was the biggest problem. It now just runs over Tengus, dandy's etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 As if that changes anything. No, make it Level 3 or lower. Better have a crappy useless card than a broken one. This idea is impossible to balance out good from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted December 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 [quote name='Darkplant - FEAR' timestamp='1324212989' post='5714769'] As if that changes anything. No, make it Level 3 or lower. Better have a crappy useless card than a broken one. This idea is impossible to balance out good from the start. [/quote] So why doesn't it change anything? What's the difference if it's level 3 or level 6 or lower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 You are SERIOUSLY annoying me. I obviously said it doesn't make a difference between NO RESTRICTIONS and LEVEL 6 OR LOWER. You didn't understand anything I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted December 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 [quote name='Darkplant - FEAR' timestamp='1324213981' post='5714777'] You are SERIOUSLY annoying me. I obviously said it doesn't make a difference between NO RESTRICTIONS and LEVEL 6 OR LOWER. You didn't understand anything I said. [/quote] I honestly couldn't care less if I'm annoying you, even if you're using Caps. I asked a legitimate question. It DOES make a difference between no restrictions and level 6 or lower and I mentioned them. it doesn't affect (most) boss monsters and Xyz's which makes it more balanced. But w/e I'll make it level 4 or lower then, JUST for you. Also, you suggested level 3 or lower, okay, what's the HUGE difference between level 4 or lower and level 3 or lower? If someone proves the difference is that big I'm willing to change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1324225633' post='5715003'] I honestly couldn't care less if I'm annoying you, even if you're using Caps. I asked a legitimate question. It DOES make a difference between no restrictions and level 6 or lower and I mentioned them. it doesn't affect (most) boss monsters and Xyz's which makes it more balanced. But w/e I'll make it level 4 or lower then, JUST for you. Also, you suggested level 3 or lower, okay, what's the HUGE difference between level 4 or lower and level 3 or lower? If someone proves the difference is that big I'm willing to change it. [/quote] The difference between Level 3 and Level 4 is that Level 4 means you can hit basically every single starting monster. Hitting Tengu is just stupid. Being able to run over Rai-Oh is also stupid. Firedog too. Level 3 or lower strictly makes this a side card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted December 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1324226033' post='5715014'] The difference between Level 3 and Level 4 is that Level 4 means you can hit basically every single starting monster. Hitting Tengu is just stupid. Being able to run over Rai-Oh is also stupid. Firedog too. Level 3 or lower strictly makes this a side card. [/quote] Well Tengu and Rai-Oh are just too stupidly good, and also, as much as I've learned from this thread are also "bad card design" so I don't really know why NOT make something that runs them over. But if it's level 3 or lower it could become severely less useful... Maybe if I strictly made it "level 4" without lower? Although I really don't know which is better between "level 4" and "level 3 or lower". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1324225633' post='5715003'] It DOES make a difference between no restrictions and level 6 or lower and I mentioned them. it doesn't affect (most) boss monsters and Xyz's which makes it more balanced. But w/e I'll make it level 4 or lower then, JUST for you. Also, you suggested level 3 or lower, okay, what's the HUGE difference between level 4 or lower and level 3 or lower? [/quote] [center][img]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll9aaqt2jL1qhunhq.gif[/img][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Barely skimmed this topic but did the topic creator REALLY insist that Gorz wasn't overpowered? Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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