Chaos Pudding Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1324410207' post='5719402'] Uhh, so instead of fixing the rules, we're all gonna ban certain things so there are no more exceptions to these bad rules? ... great. [/quote] I'm being hypocritical because I like Priority because it makes sense and I dislike Missing the Timing because it doesn't make sense. You ken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Chaos Pudding' timestamp='1324410122' post='5719401'] Then ban the god damn card. Jesus, how is this a hard concept? If a card is broken, then ban it. If it's at 0, then it can't very well hurt the game now can it? And in order to prevent such things from happening in the future, DESIGN BALANCED CARDS. [/quote] ...Listen. These cards are perfectly well, right now how they are. If they applied your suggestion, and removed the missing of timing... Well, the become broken. So, leave it as it is, and they are perfectly fine. There are TOO MANY cards which would cross the "broken" like, would missing the timing be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1324410246' post='5719405'] Or, you know, design a rotation system like MTG. [/quote] It would require much more thought in set design, but the idea wouldn't be that horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 ITT: CHANGE TO MY NOSTALGIA!?!? WHAT BLASPHEMY IS THIS!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1324410088' post='5719397'] Point is, it's even worse card design to ban cards. It's better for a game overall to revise the rules. It's why Magic regularly revises its rules, while keeping bans to a minimum. [/quote] What breed of insane troll logic is this? "Oh, no, we printed a broken card, let's revise the core rules of the game just to keep a card that didn't deserve to exist in the first place in the game." Making your game's rules change whenever you screw up and print a broken card is a horrible idea - especially when you print broken cards with as much regularity as Konami. Also, Magic doesn't decide how to revise its rules by looking at the list of cards that exist, seeing which ones are broken, and then seeing what rules of the game can be changed to save them. Instead, it just tries not to print broken cards in the first place (with more success than Konami) and revises the rules to make the game flow better (like removing mana burn, which was more odd and fiddly than it was worth). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Dang it, I take a break to eat lunch, and am missing out on a good Hikaru topic. [quote name='Chaos Pudding' timestamp='1324410265' post='5719406'] I'm being hypocritical because I like Priority[/quote] Who doesn't? [quote name='Chaos Pudding' timestamp='1324410265' post='5719406'] I dislike Missing the Timing because it doesn't make sense.[/quote] Peten the Dark Clown can finally see the light of day! .... And Pinch Hopper would become a fun card =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Pudding Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Generally, I don't like YGO at all. Konami doesn't know how to design balanced cards, and their arbitrary rules changes are stupid. Also, I don't currently play YGO, and I haven't since before Dark Strike Fighter was banned. So obviously I'm just working off of nostalgia here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob the Rainicorn Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 why are you being a bad n****r? So like, if Chaos Sorcerer was a trigger effect when you summon it, it would be the same as Chaos Sorcerer if it was an ignition effect, only ignition effect means you can do it more than once. So its just unfair bro :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Chaos Pudding' timestamp='1324410265' post='5719406'] I'm being hypocritical because I like Priority because it makes sense and I dislike Missing the Timing because it doesn't make sense. You ken? [/quote] Frankly, you got it backwards. Priority turns ignition effects into trigger effects. Which is flat-out retarded. Missing the timing keeps cards from being ABUSABLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1324410459' post='5719421'] Priority turns ignition effects into trigger effects. Which is flat-out retarded.[/quote] I think you got that backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Pudding Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1324410459' post='5719421'] Frankly, you got it backwards. Priority turns ignition effects into trigger effects. Which is flat-out retarded. Missing the timing keeps cards from being ABUSABLE. [/quote] How does that mean that Priority doesn't make sense and that Missing the Timing does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Chaos Pudding' timestamp='1324410617' post='5719425'] How does that mean that Priority doesn't make sense and that Missing the Timing does? [/quote] Neither of them do. But priority makes cards stronger, where Missing the Timing makes them weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Basically, Hikaru, its like this. Yugioh's rulings in a nutshell: [img]http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/000/091/Problem.jpg?1236877228[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob the Rainicorn Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 also missing the timing is intentional by konami, not something they were like "oh what really oh that makes the card suck I guess but it sounded cool earlier" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1324410594' post='5719424'] I think you got that backwards. [/quote] BRD=Trigger BLS=Ignition BRD is Bottomless'd, the nuke still happens. BLS is Bottomless'd with priority, it still banishes. Therefore in this case, BRD=BLS. AKA Trigger=Ignition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob the Rainicorn Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 FUUUCK I CAN'T HELP SAYING n****r RIGHT NOW. besides TC is obviously a troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Trigger = Ignition only applies when the Trigger in question is "When I am summoned [during my Main Phase]" and the Ignition in question is worded in a way that allows it (which several cards, like Breaker, do not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 People want that the missing timing thing disappears? Wait WHAT?! Really? Something that made Light Pulsar from an FTK card to an ok card needs to disappear? Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='-Noel-' timestamp='1324411232' post='5719447'] Something that made Light Pulsar from an FTK card to an ok card needs to disappear? Please. [/quote] It is the word of YCM. So say [s]we[/s] they all. [color=#ffffff]*shot a couple of times*[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Pudding, ol' grandpa, I guess it's time you retire. Not to sound offensive, but you have a really vague idea about how this game works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 I personally approve the removal of priority, because I think that there should be a difference between cards that activate when summoned, and cards that just have a once per turn ability that can be activated anytime during the main phase. doing this, doesn't really strengthen or weaken the cards that lose priority directly, it instead strengthens the cards that destroy on summoning, meaning that THINKING AHEAD MATTERS MORE. yes I know this is a novel concept to you otk happy idiots, but planning ahead is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 lol No, seriously. Ancient news is ancient. Along with priority not making sense, here's the thing about it: it ensures your boss monsters pay for themselves as long as there isn't a Solemn waiting for them. If you BTH my Hyperion, that's a +1 for me. If you BTH my JD, that's a +??? for me. If you BTH my Volcasaurus, that's a +1 for me. If you BTH my Brio, it might not be a +, but I've cleared your field. Now, in Pudding's perfect world, three of those cards are banned (hell, maybe you think Volcasaurus is broken, too), but idgaf, and [acronym='Konami Doesn't Give A Field Spell']kdgaf[/acronym]. It's Konami's prerogative to change the rules, particularly when they forgot to write those rules in the rulebook (or do they have it now?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 If Konami is so bad, make your own f***ing card game. Anyway like Jesse said your being retarded. You want to ban ever "when" card and every ignition effect? You just ruined the game and made the banlist so big no one will even bother reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Let's make a list of all cards we should ban if we remove "missing the timing". The list would stretch to f***ing tomorrow. This is a terrible argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Peten the Dark Clown becomes pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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