Shonenhikada1 Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327620462' post='5782599'] As well as allowing you to use Malefics for multiple 3k or 4k beaters while your opponent can't do s*** without an MST/Heavy. [/quote] So D. Prison, Bottomless, and Solemn, can't do nothing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327620462' post='5782599'] As well as allowing you to use Malefics for multiple 3k or 4k beaters while your opponent can't do s*** without an MST/Heavy. [/quote] Yes, basically. Any deck that runs 3 Terraforming, 3 of this, 3 Malefic Stardust and Cyber End, and a hell ton of s&t removal and draw power becomes Tier 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='Shonenhikada1' timestamp='1327620524' post='5782602'] So D. Prison, Bottomless, and Solemn, can't do nothing ? [/quote] They can't do jack squat unless they also run a skilldrain build since most decks rely on their monster effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='Shonenhikada1' timestamp='1327619097' post='5782540'] A. Yes I am aware. B. This card is basically a skill drain Field spell version. [/quote] No it isn't. It's a highly searchable, faster version that Sangan, Tengu, Malefics, T.G., Etc. LOL with ._. Granted, the TG variant would be kinda bad cause no horn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shonenhikada1 Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 can someone give a practical deck build rather than hype a card out of thin air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shizuku Oikawa Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='Shonenhikada1' timestamp='1327620524' post='5782602'] So D. Prison, Bottomless, and Solemn, can't do nothing ? [/quote] Play Gem-Knight Fusion, then Summon that dude who returns all Set Spell/Traps the opponent has, then proceed to win. Or play Heavy Storm. Saying the monsters can be countered is a bad argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='Shonenhikada1' timestamp='1327620778' post='5782622'] can someone give a practical deck build rather than hype a card out of thin air. [/quote] 3x Malefic Cyber 3x Malefic Stardust 3x Tengu 3x This 3x Terraforming 25x Staples/Consistency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='Shonenhikada1' timestamp='1327620524' post='5782602'] So D. Prison, Bottomless, and Solemn, can't do nothing ? [/quote] Hurr durr fa**** that means every deck is bad other than exodia, final countdown, burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='Shonenhikada1' timestamp='1327620778' post='5782622'] can someone give a practical deck build rather than hype a card out of thin air. [/quote] 3 Malefic Stardust 3 Malefic Cyber End 3 Reborn Tengu 3 École de Zone 3 Terraforming 3 Mystical Space Typhoon 3 Upstart Goblin 3 Hand Destruction 3 Dark World Dealings 1 Dark Hole 1 Heavy Storm 1 Monster Reborn 1 Card Destruction 1 Book of Moon 1 Trap Dustshoot +7 good cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1327621226' post='5782644'] 3 Malefic Stardust 3 Malefic Cyber End 3 Reborn Tengu 3 École de Zone 3 Terraforming 3 Mystical Space Typhoon 3 Upstart Goblin 3 Hand Destruction 3 Dark World Dealings 1 Dark Hole 1 Heavy Storm 1 Monster Reborn 1 Card Destruction 1 Book of Moon 1 Trap Dustshoot +7 good cards. [/quote] tbh I would run stuff to stupid my field spell from being destroyed also I wouldnt be using a deck to draw them fast I would take out all draw cards and make it more controled also when will you finish the logo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Did we establish that this is fake because it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Leviair the byakk Dragon' timestamp='1327622515' post='5782734'] Did we establish that this is fake because it is [/quote] Yea we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shonenhikada1 Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I just did some research and this card does not make Tengu, and all these ridiculous combos you guys are talking about broken. First off the card says. [b]Monsters cannot [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Direct_attack"]attack directly[/url].[/b] When a monster is [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Summon"]Summoned[/url], except by this card's [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Effect"]effect[/url], [b]negate the [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Summon"]Summon[/url] and [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Destroy"]destroy[/url] that monster.[/b] Then, [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special_Summon"]Special Summon[/url] 1 "[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Mask_Token"]Mask Token[/url]" ([url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Spellcaster"]Spellcaster[/url]-[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Type"]Type[/url]/[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/DARK"]DARK[/url]/[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Level_1"]Level 1[/url]/[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/ATK"]ATK[/url] ?/[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/DEF"]DEF[/url] ?) to the destroyed monster's [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Control"]controller[/url]'s side of the [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Field"]field[/url]. The [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/ATK"]ATK[/url] and [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/DEF"]DEF[/url] of the "[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Mask_Token"]Mask Token[/url]" are equal to the respective [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/ATK"]ATK[/url] and [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/DEF"]DEF[/url] of the destroyed [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Monster"]monster[/url]. The two points I am underlining are crucial. Malefics cannot attack direct or use optic camouflage making OTK, of maleifcimpossible. Negate the summon and destroy makes it impossible to spam tengu, D.D. survivor, treeborn or use malefic or other cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Shonenhikada1' timestamp='1327702520' post='5784118'] I just did some research and this card does not make Tengu, and all these ridiculous combos you guys are talking about broken. First off the card says. [b]Monsters cannot [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Direct_attack"]attack directly[/url].[/b] When a monster is [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Summon"]Summoned[/url], except by this card's [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Effect"]effect[/url], [b]negate the [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Summon"]Summon[/url] and [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Destroy"]destroy[/url] that monster.[/b] Then, [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special_Summon"]Special Summon[/url] 1 "[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Mask_Token"]Mask Token[/url]" ([url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Spellcaster"]Spellcaster[/url]-[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Type"]Type[/url]/[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/DARK"]DARK[/url]/[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Level_1"]Level 1[/url]/[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/ATK"]ATK[/url] ?/[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/DEF"]DEF[/url] ?) to the destroyed monster's [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Control"]controller[/url]'s side of the [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Field"]field[/url]. The [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/ATK"]ATK[/url] and [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/DEF"]DEF[/url] of the "[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Mask_Token"]Mask Token[/url]" are equal to the respective [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/ATK"]ATK[/url] and [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/DEF"]DEF[/url] of the destroyed [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Monster"]monster[/url]. The two points I am underlining are crucial. Malefics cannot attack direct or use optic camouflage making OTK, of maleifcimpossible. Negate the summon and destroy makes it impossible to spam tengu, D.D. survivor, treeborn or use malefic or other cards. [/quote] Thats the anime effect, idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shonenhikada1 Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1327702961' post='5784130'] Thats the anime effect, idiot [/quote] [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1327702961' post='5784130'] Thats the anime effect, idiot [/quote] Right, but still a mute point, seeing that konami are not obligated to use Tag Force effect. On the wikia the effect I placed was listed for its actual effect, so why would the OP place a tag force 6 effect and mislead everyone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Shonenhikada1' timestamp='1327703026' post='5784132'] Right, but still a mute point, seeing that konami are not obligated to use Tag Force effect. [/quote] The card in the OP is the tag force effect, AKA more realistic effect that Konami made as if to release it, if they do or not. We're not discussing the anime effect, we're discussing this one, so YOUR point is "mute", or as it's correctly spelled, moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shonenhikada1 Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1327703111' post='5784135'] The card in the OP is the tag force effect, AKA more realistic effect that Konami made as if to release it, if they do or not. We're not discussing the anime effect, we're discussing this one, so YOUR point is "mute", or as it's correctly spelled, moot. [/quote] [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1327703111' post='5784135'] The card in the OP is the tag force effect, AKA more realistic effect that Konami made as if to release it, if they do or not. We're not discussing the anime effect, we're discussing this one, so YOUR point is "mute", or as it's correctly spelled, moot. [/quote] Actually my point is relevant seeing that on wikia the effect placed was the one I listed, but OP placed the tag force 6 effect, making everyone think that was the effect being released on the card.So my point here is why mislead people and choose the more broken effect of the two ? BTW. if you knew anything about Konami they would pick the effect that would cause the least amount of problems. i.e. the anime effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Shonenhikada1' timestamp='1327703291' post='5784141'] BTW. if you knew anything about Konami they would pick the effect that would cause the least amount of problems. i.e. the anime effect. [/quote] *sighs* But the Tag Force cards are the ones that turn anime cards into real cards, thus making them more realistic. In Tag Force, at least we can [b]RUN them[/b] as they exist, in the game, and build strategies and decks with that card, but in the anime, we can't. Just because they're more broken versions doesn't mean that we should instantly replace them with the lesser, less broken effect that you can't even use in real life, except in roleplays and fanfics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shonenhikada1 Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Merciful Idiot' timestamp='1327705356' post='5784207'] *sighs* But the Tag Force cards are the ones that turn anime cards into real cards, thus making them more realistic. In Tag Force, at least we can [b]RUN them[/b] as they exist, in the game, and build strategies and decks with that card, but in the anime, we can't. Just because they're more broken versions doesn't mean that we should instantly replace them with the lesser, less broken effect. [/quote] But that has been Koanmi logic with anime cards lately to always water them down.This is excluding (Aboslute Zero and a few exception.). Why would they pick the broken tag force version over the more fair anime version ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Shonenhikada1' timestamp='1327705461' post='5784211'] But that has been Koanmi logic with anime cards ever since GX onwards. [/quote] You can run Tag Force cards in Tag Force decks. You cannot run anime cards in any official form. Clear enough for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 You are generally all idiots because it's not being released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1327705644' post='5784219'] You are generally all idiots because it's not being released. [/quote] I'm sure we all already know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shonenhikada1 Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Merciful Idiot' timestamp='1327705608' post='5784216'] You can run Tag Force cards in Tag Force decks. You cannot run anime cards in any official form. Clear enough for you? [/quote] [quote name='Merciful Idiot' timestamp='1327705608' post='5784216'] You can run Tag Force cards in Tag Force decks. You cannot run anime cards in any official form. Clear enough for you? [/quote] Your reasoning that because it is in tag force it is more likely to get this more broken effect,than the less broken anime effect is flawed logic. There are so many counter examples for 1. The Egyptian God cards, and nearly all of the Tag Force promos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Shonenhikada1' timestamp='1327705783' post='5784226'] Your reasoning that because it is in tag force it is more likely to get this more broken effect,than the less broken anime effect is flawed logic. There are so many counter examples for 1. The Egyptian God cards, and nearly all of the Tag Force promos. [/quote] Stop trying to look smart and failing. Thank you. It's actually a good card, with a few balance tweaks I can see it being released. I like this card for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Order-Sol' timestamp='1327705890' post='5784230'] Stop trying to look smart and failing. Thank you. It's actually a good card, with a few balance tweaks I can see it being released. I like this card for some reason. [/quote] I'm sure this comment is paradoxically attacking itself. You're not the same annoying guy you were before, but you're trying too hard to sound smart. OT: Eh. It doesn't mention how you can use it to have your opponents play eachother if playing two people. D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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