Greiga Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [u][i][b]Forbidden[/b][/i][/u] Foolish Burial (from Limited) Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (from Limited) Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of Beginning (from Limited) Wind-Up Hunter (from Unlimited) Final Countdown (from Unlimited) Self-Destruct Button (from Unlimited) [u][i][b]Limited[/b][/i][/u] Tour Guide of the Underworld (from Unlimited) Inzektor Centipede (from Unlimited) Evolzar Laggia (from Unlimited) Snoww, Unlight of Dark World (from Unlimited) Sweltering Heat Transmission Field (from Unlimited) One Day of Peace (from Unlimited) [u][b][i]Semi-Limited[/i][/b][/u] Blackwing Gale the Hurricane (from Limited) Mezuki (from Limited) Tsukuyomi (from Forbidden) Plaguespreader Zombie (from Limited) Wind-Up Zenmaighty (from Unlimited) Rescue Rabbit (from Unlimited) Formula Synchron (from Limited) [spoiler reasons][list] [*][s]Avarice @2 because plants are dead.[/s] Common agreement says Avarice is too broken to be at more than 1. [*]Hunter is the problem. [*]Zenmaighty is still broken but why not test it at semi for now since other stuff is seemingly boosted. [*]Mezuki because I can. [*]Brio deserved the axe [*]So did BLS [*]Apparently Tsuku is good at 2 but inconsistent and bad at 3 and so people will run it in 2 either way. However, idk about unlimiting a card from forbidden. [*][s]BfaDD because Mezuki and so Zombies[/s] Common agreement says that BfaDD is too broken when you have Mezuki @2 and Blackwings coming back, while PSZ is a +0 revival and -1 synchro that promotes synchros with intellegence. [*]Gale to put BWs on the board too for a more diverse format. [*]Not banning Sangan because TGU is at 1. [*]Nobody objected to foolish @0 and I wanna test it there too since the above decks got their key cards back. [/list] [/spoiler] [spoiler old thread intro]Idk if you guys are allowed to add stuff because Pika said don't ask for help, but discuss anyway. Also if you test this format tell me how it goes. I also don't wanna hit and boost every single problem at once because that's a headache, so that's why the list is so small. I also hit Rabbit so it doesn't look like I'm biased.[/spoiler] Lots of changes happened so read the thread if you wanna learn stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Avarice at 2 is idiotic, it's broken even without plants. Boosting Zombies is a bad idea, especially 2 at once. Same goes for Blackwings. Hunter wasn't the problem, it's just, sadly, the easiest way to kill it off =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 >Avarice at 2 because plants are dead Um, nope. Not enough of a reasoning for me. A lot of decks can still abuse the hell out of Avarice. And guess one of them? WIND-UPs. Giving them an extra way to recycle Zenmaities is not exactly smart. Iffy on Brionac, I mean, yeah, loops, but eh... latest decks that looped with Brionac and topped were Infernities and FishTK? I'm not even sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1330483213' post='5847164'] Avarice at 2 is idiotic, it's broken even without plants. Boosting Zombies is a bad idea, especially 2 at once. Same goes for Blackwings. Hunter wasn't the problem, it's just, sadly, the easiest way to kill it off =/ [/quote] Oh ok. I just wanna add diversity right now. Since I don't wanna outright kill the problem decks why not give people a chance to use other top decks? Also if I put BfaDD back to 1 is that still bad? What would [s]Zordon[/s] you do? [quote name='Mu-12' timestamp='1330483534' post='5847175'] >Avarice at 2 because plants are dead Um, nope. Not enough of a reasoning for me. A lot of decks can still abuse the hell out of Avarice. And guess one of them? WIND-UPs. Giving them an extra way to recycle Zenmaities is not exactly smart. Iffy on Brionac, I mean, yeah, loops, but eh... latest decks that looped with Brionac and topped were Infernities and FishTK? I'm not even sure. [/quote] Totally forgot about that Wind-Up part when I typed up this list. I'm aware of a few other decks that can abuse it though and so like I said above, I wanna pump diversity into the format before I go on a mad banning spree, because I rather like people's reactions when we get a top 32 and someone is like "oh, this YCS was diverse and fun." It also eliminates people getting mad at seeing the same netdeck, to a point. I still see people complain about Brio and it deserving the axe, just not as much. So people need to decide if they like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Killing Brionac means there's no good Level 6's to make anymore tbh. The only thing that would support Brio getting banned is more Zombie support which I think is a bad idea. Formula Synchron is still limited and I honestly thing that it shouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='byakklon Omega' timestamp='1330484972' post='5847204'] Killing Brionac means there's no good Level 6's to make anymore tbh. The only thing that would support Brio getting banned is more Zombie support which I think is a bad idea. Formula Synchron is still limited and I honestly thing that it shouldn't be. [/quote] Byakk posts in my thread, I am not worthy, I am not worthy. Brio getting banned means people with Zombies and BW have to run different cards and Synchros/Xyz and actually think when making moves since they can no longer go "herp derp bounce your s*** gg". Also I was gonna post a remark about how Formula made Genex good but I'm thinking of Fishborg, which is staying where it is. What number do you think Formula should be at because now that I think about it it could possibly go right back to 3, but I know I'm missing something important and just being bad again. Lol I want people to think while playing the game yet I didn't think when making this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Centi, Laggia, and Zenmaity all [i]should[/i] have been limited. I wonder how people will react if nothing gets hit come september. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1330485748' post='5847224'] Centi, Laggia, and Zenmaity all [i]should[/i] have been limited. I wonder how people will react if nothing gets hit come september. [/quote] [img]http://2012rising.com/images/168.jpg[/img] Seems appropriate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Oh, I'd rather FuFu over Foolish for the Banlist Spot btw. And keep Avarice at 1 (or even go to 0). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1330485748' post='5847224'] Centi, Laggia, and Zenmaity all [i]should[/i] have been limited. I wonder how people will react if nothing gets hit come september. [/quote] Well I agree however I also said I know Zenmaighty's broken but I still wanna see it's impact @2 with no loop. Also how many cards can abuse Fufu under my list besides Zephy which can only be used once and Sacred M7 which idk about using in the Fufu decks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Wind-Ups can still create stupid Xyz combos with more than 1 Zenmaighty. =/ idk why Avarice would ever go to 2 again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='evilchris' timestamp='1330506428' post='5847557'] Wind-Ups can still create stupid Xyz combos with more than 1 Zenmaighty. =/ [/quote] [quote name='-Greiga-' timestamp='1330486405' post='5847244']Well I agree however I also said I know Zenmaighty's broken but I still wanna see it's impact @2 with no loop. [/quote] [quote name='-Greiga-' timestamp='1330486405' post='5847244']Well I agree however I also said I know Zenmaighty's broken but I still wanna see it's impact @2 with no loop. [/quote] [quote name='-Greiga-' timestamp='1330486405' post='5847244']Well I agree however I also said I know Zenmaighty's broken but I still wanna see it's impact @2 with no loop. [/quote] [quote name='-Greiga-' timestamp='1330486405' post='5847244']Well I agree however I also said I know Zenmaighty's broken but I still wanna see it's impact @2 with no loop. [/quote] Help help I can't read! Also Avarice is going back to 1 since everyone's getting mad. EDIT: Disregard previous edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Why do you want to test it @2 when any idiot can tell it should be @1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='evilchris' timestamp='1330515805' post='5847589'] Why do you want to test it @2 when any idiot can tell it should be @1? [/quote] This is the part where I bring up my Shark argument that no one has actually countered yet, and also experimenting Wind-Ups in a format where a bunch of other stuff is boosted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='-Greiga-' timestamp='1330517307' post='5847593'] This is the part where I bring up my Shark argument that no one has actually countered yet, and also experimenting Wind-Ups in a format where a bunch of other stuff is boosted. [/quote] What Shark argument? :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Well TGU is @1 so lets test Painful Choice @3 for the format. /logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Once upon a time, Wind-Up Shark wasn't confirmed and no one was having this discussion.[quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1330517578' post='5847596'] Well TGU is @1 so lets test Painful Choice @3 for the format. /logic [/quote] idgi what you're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='-Greiga-' timestamp='1330517650' post='5847598'] Once upon a time, Wind-Up Shark wasn't confirmed and no one was having this discussion. [/quote] Except now Wind-Up Shark exists and gave the deck some actual power. With Shark, they remain a good deck, Zenmaighty still leaves them as a stupid Xyz loop deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='-Greiga-' timestamp='1330517307' post='5847593'] This is the part where I bring up my Shark argument that no one has actually countered yet, and also experimenting Wind-Ups in a format where a bunch of other stuff is boosted. [/quote] Because other stuff gets better is no reason to not hit a listworthy card. Putting it @2 is obviously a bad idea. idk why this is even a thing, if anything it will be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 So then why not hit Shark too, seeing as if i was konami I would still want the deck to be competitive before I utterly wreck it in September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='-Greiga-' timestamp='1330517830' post='5847602'] So then why not hit Shark too, seeing as if i was konami I would still want the deck to be competitive before I utterly wreck it in September. [/quote] The idea of a custom banlist is to not think like Konami. Your argument is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1330517775' post='5847601'] Because other stuff gets better is no reason to not hit a listworthy card. Putting it @2 is obviously a bad idea. idk why this is even a thing, if anything it will be banned. [/quote] Because it provides competitors and prevents people from seeing the same cookie cutter deck before they all get utterly wrecked in September. [quote name='evilchris' timestamp='1330517952' post='5847603'] The idea of a custom banlist is to not think like Konami. Your argument is terrible. [/quote] ITT: HANZO OT: You wanted to hear my argument, not a good argument. Don't play my list if you don't like it, simple. It was brought to YCM because it's still a test list and I wanna hear suggestions on why stuff should or shouldn't be where it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 [quote name='-Greiga-' timestamp='1330518169' post='5847604'] OT: You wanted to hear my argument, not a good argument. Don't play my list if you don't like it, simple. It was brought to YCM because it's still a test list and I wanna hear suggestions on why stuff should or shouldn't be where it is. [/quote] So because I tell you why Zenmaighty should be limited, and you respond by saying that it shouldn't because you want to think like a huge business, you're asking for suggestions? If I give you a suggestion and you toss it aside for a stupid reason like that then why did you even post this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 I'm playing the other side because that way no matter how bad I provide an argument I still learn stuff as opposed to lurking my own thread and blindly agreeing. So should I hit Shark or no? Also what's missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Wind-ups wont get 'wrecked' Rabbit is still a card. So is factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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