Agro Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Well I still had to have this convo with a Friend of Mine. He doesn't run Gorz because he says he never has the field for it and always loses because of that. So therefore, instead of running this: [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120225211047/yugioh/images/thumb/2/20/GorztheEmissaryofDarkness-DL13-EN-R-UE-Blue.jpg/300px-GorztheEmissaryofDarkness-DL13-EN-R-UE-Blue.jpg[/img] He runs this: [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120203194650/yugioh/images/thumb/0/0c/BattleFader-DT06-EN-DNPR-DT.jpg/300px-BattleFader-DT06-EN-DNPR-DT.jpg[/img] Now YCM, I see this as an opportunity for you all to prove to me you can have an intellectual discussion. As straightforward as you can, give a thesis and support for that thesis as to why Gorz is better than Battle Fader and should be run over it (in a Scrap deck of all places). And for those of you who agree with my friend, go ahead and argue in a similar fashion. Gogogo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 You've done this before. Gorz is infinitely better and your friend is retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1333762450' post='5904512'] You've done this before. Gorz is infinitely better and your friend is retarded. [/quote]Yes, but why? That's the problem. None of the arguments made to him got anywhere past "He's retarded." Like you're doing now, which gets no one anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1333762531' post='5904514'] Yes, but why? That's the problem. None of the arguments made to him got anywhere past "He's retarded." Like you're doing now, which gets no one anywhere. [/quote] Gorz is a 2700 beater that easily creates a mind game, and is a +1 summon. What more is their to discuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Battle Fader stops your opponent from winning this turn. Gorz stops your opponent from winning this turn, and then turns the tide by giving you two powerful monsters. tl;dr- Tragoedia is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1333762671' post='5904520'] Gorz is a 2700 beater that easily creates a mind game, and is a +1 summon. What more is their to discuss? [/quote][quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1333762349' post='5904507'] He doesn't run Gorz because he says he never has the field for it and always loses because of that. [/quote]This, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Does he run backrow? If the answer is no, then he should run Gorz. Why? Because Gorz gives you up to TWO beatsticks (depending on the amount of damage you take) instead of a 0ATK/0DEF monster that gets banished when it leaves the field. Now if he almost always has backrow, then I understand why he runs Battle Fader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 In heavy backrow decks run neither. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 I prefer battle fader but only because it helped me beat herald of perfection which gorz couldn't have done because i normal summoned battle fader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Some Lavals use both, but I use 3 Fader. It's a [i]key[/i] card in that deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='Expelsword - ä¿¡ä»°' timestamp='1333762874' post='5904530'] Some Lavals use both, but I use 3 Fader. It's a [i]key[/i] card in that deck. [/quote] No it isn't.[quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1333762699' post='5904522'] tl;dr- Tragoedia is better. [/quote] Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1333762922' post='5904533'] No it isn't. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. No. [/quote]Why not Chris? Trag can summon itself more easily. What argument have you given? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Gorz is stronger because ... a) He's a +1 He gets over Gem-Knight Pearl c) He creates a monster with at least as much attack as at least one of your opponent's monsters d) This is a format that doesn't favor running more that a few traps, making Gorz Just about as live as Fader, but without the banish. e) It's Big Eye material f) Makes Stardust or Scrap Dragon with Veiler g) All of the above If you guessed g, then you are correct [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1333762902' post='5904533'] No it isn't. [/quote] Dude, yes it is. You don't get Shooting Star from just anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1333762922' post='5904533'] No it isn't. [/quote] Well, I need [i]some[/i] Level 1, and everyone kept saying that Boost Warrior was garbage, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 It depends on the deck. Some can use Fader well, some may be better with Gorz, some can use both, some can use Trago best, some can use Swift Scarecrow, some can use Gagaga Gardna. Matter of preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Ok, ok, ok. Gorz > Trag because Gorz creates a stable ATK monster, is a +1 and has an amazing level. You don't run Fader in Lavals because using Quasar is a waste of space and is a terrible focus. You can tech out the extra much better and OTK just as easily without wanting Quasar/SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='Expelsword - ä¿¡ä»°' timestamp='1333763059' post='5904541'] Well, I need [i]some[/i] Level 1, and everyone kept saying that Boost Warrior was garbage, so... [/quote] Boost Warrior [i]is [/i]garbage. Nearly every Laval decks to top in Japan ran 2-3 Faders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1333763220' post='5904548'] Ok, ok, ok. Gorz > Trag because Gorz creates a stable ATK monster, is a +1 and has an amazing level. [/quote]Took you goddam long enough to make actual points in response. Respond to this though will you? : [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1333762349' post='5904507'] He doesn't run Gorz because he says he never has the field for it and always loses because of that. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1333763220' post='5904548'] You don't run Fader in Lavals because using Quasar is a waste of space and is a terrible focus. You can tech out the extra much better and OTK just as easily without wanting Quasar/SSD. [/quote] The last 13 Regionals in Japan disagree with you on that point. Do some research, ya lazy bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 [i]What do you suggest, oh, Master?[/i] 1 Shooting Quasar Dragon 1 Stardust Dragon 1 Formula Synchron 2 Black Rose Dragon 1 Scrap Dragon 1 Mist Wurm 1 Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier 1 Ally of Justice - Catastor 1 Tech Genus Hyper Librarian 1 Ancient Flamvell Diety 1 Laval Stannon 1 Lavalval Dragoon 1 Laval Dual Slasher 1 Lavalval Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1333762349' post='5904507'] He doesn't run Gorz because he says he never has the field for it and always loses because of that [/quote] Out of curiousity, what deck is he running and how many Traps does he run? That plays a big part in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Battle Fader got me my nats invite last year in Plants, which couldn't have actually used Gorz for some reason probably involving 1 Call of the Haunted 2 Limit Reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Off topic, what is this [s]soccer[/s] football anime that keeps appearing in your signature. And yeah, dead continuous cards are a big factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='NumberCruncher' timestamp='1333763595' post='5904557'] Out of curiousity, what deck is he running and how many Traps does he run? That plays a big part in it. [/quote]Scraps and sh*t. Fact: He needs a better decklist. [quote name='Expelsword - ä¿¡ä»°' timestamp='1333764431' post='5904587'] Off topic, what is this [s]soccer[/s] football anime that keeps appearing in your signature. And yeah, dead continuous cards are a big factor. [/quote]Inazuma 11, I assume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1333764539' post='5904590'] Scraps and sh*t. Fact: He needs a better decklist. [/quote] If he's running Traps in Scraps outside of Solemn and Torrential, he's doing something wrong. [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1333764539' post='5904590']Inazuma 11, I assume? [/quote] That would be my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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