Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 With all of these new cards pouring in from Return of the Duelist that have no value in the game, I must ask what the point of such cards is. Why have a Spell Card that prevents you from activating Spell and Trap Cards for a turn, or a monster that has 3000 ATK, but is meant to be played in Defense Mode? Why can't all cards in a pack at least have some value or place in the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 2 things: 1) Pack Filler is just there for Pack Filler, like Filler episodes are there in the anime just for Filler. 2) It's Konami. Now, is this just a discussion on Pack Filler or is this just a question why there is Pack Filler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 Why is there Pack Filler? It doesn't seem like a very good business practice to have cards not worth anything to anyone. Why make a card if you know it will be a cold day in hell before it's actually used in gameplay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1334179465' post='5910595'] Why is there Pack Filler? It doesn't seem like a very good business practice to have cards not worth anything to anyone. Why make a card if you know it will be a cold day in hell before it's actually used in gameplay? [/quote] [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1334179424' post='5910592'] 2) It's Konami. [/quote] That is the only answer you will ever need for that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 i think they put in pack filler because they don't want to release some of the Anime-only cards which would A: be OP'd without a nerf, B: because Konami doesn't want to give us nice things or C: have any use even if released, but would be nice to have. Some Pack Filler is good, but other Pack Filler really shouldn't be made. To be fair, Pack Filler is made for consistency so that they have the same amount of cards in each set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='evilsoul' timestamp='1334179673' post='5910600'] i think they put in pack filler because they don't want to release some of the Anime-only cards which would A: be OP'd without a nerf, B: because Konami doesn't want to give us nice things or C: have any use even if released, but would be nice to have. Some Pack Filler is good, but other Pack Filler really shouldn't be made. To be fair, Pack Filler is made for consistency so that they have the same amount of cards in each set [/quote] Then why not nerf some anime cards to fill the set up to 80? Furthermore, people are being paid money to design these terrible cards. Why go to all of the trouble to purposely make a bad card if you can just as easily make a decent or a good card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 Because bad cards make good cards better. I'm serious, I've gone through packs and though "terrible, awful, horrendous, wait... HOLY CRAP THAT ONE's AWESOME!" If every card was amazing, then by definition none of them would be. Yeah I know it's awkward logic that not everyone might get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1334179871' post='5910603'] Because bad cards make good cards better. I'm serious, I've gone through packs and though "terrible, awful, horrendous, wait... HOLY CRAP THAT ONE's AWESOME!" If every card was amazing, then by definition none of them would be. Yeah I know it's awkward logic that not everyone might get. [/quote] I'm not saying make them all good, just at least decent and somewhat playable. Honestly, who in their right mind would activate a Spell Card that stops them from playing Spells and Traps for a turn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1334179719' post='5910601'] 1. Then why not nerf some anime cards to fill the set up to 80? 2. Furthermore, people are being paid money to design these terrible cards. 3. Why go to all of the trouble to purposely make a bad card if you can just as easily make a decent or a good card? [/quote] 1. Because Konami doesn't want us to have nice things 2. That just goes to show how Konami like to be money-whores 3. imo sometimes bad cards can be interesting design-wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 It just confuses me that a company would spend money printing off thousands of copies of cards they know no one will ever use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1334180328' post='5910612'] It just confuses me that a company would spend money printing off thousands of copies of cards they know no one will ever use. [/quote] Because if every pack had good cards you might as well stop production of the game itself. Every card game has pack filler and its used to drag out the consistency of the game. plus money, people buy the packs to find the good cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1334179871' post='5910603'] Because bad cards make good cards better. [/quote] Bad cards don't make good cards better, thats silly. The only thing they do is force you to spend more because they are harder to get. That is not the same thing as making them "[i]better[/i]". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='Azuh' timestamp='1334180573' post='5910614'] Because if every pack had good cards you might as well stop production of the game itself. Every card game has pack filler and its used to drag out the consistency of the game. plus money, people buy the packs to find the good cards [/quote] *facepalm* How many times to I have to repeat myself? I'm not saying to make every card good, just every card have a chance of actually being used in at least casual play. Again, citing Freezing Wind as an example, there is no reason for anyone to use this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bravo 323 Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 What is the point of pack filler? Let's look at it from Konami's point of view. Imagine every card was good. There is no filler anymore and instead every card can be used in a meta deck. Now all you have to do is buy like what, 5 packs and make a deck. Life is great. But does Konami make any money? No they don't. You just bought 5 packs and started playing without giving them any more money. Can a company surivive off that? No. By adding pack filler and making the stronger cards harder to get they force you to spend more money to upgrade your deck keeping the company alive which thus let's you play Yu-Gi-Oh. Instead of bashing it, I think you should be worshiping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 My guess is that Konami assumes everyone is a genius and can pull off some sort of absurd combo with them. This may not have been as much of a problem several years ago with all the Vanillas, but now that every monster has some sort of effect, Konami might assume that some whiz kid could win a tournament with "Freezing Wind". There's a snowball's chance in hell of that actually happening, but Konami maybe thinks that it will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 *facedesk* I never said GOOD. I said DECENT enough to have some sort of playability. As in they aren't as good as other cards, but they aren't totally worthless. There is a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bravo 323 Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 Obviously you aren't thinking hard enough to play the cards. Almost every new card I see I think "this could be fun to play" and the others are cool gimmicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='Johnny Bravo 323' timestamp='1334181301' post='5910628'] Obviously you aren't thinking hard enough to play the cards. Almost every new card I see I think "this could be fun to play" and the others are cool gimmicks. [/quote] ...Even a card that stops you from using Spells and Traps for a turn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1334180903' post='5910618'] *facepalm* How many times to I have to repeat myself? I'm not saying to make every card good, just every card have a chance of actually being used in at least casual play. Again, citing Freezing Wind as an example, there is no reason for anyone to use this card. [/quote] It gives a reason to use rarities in packs. Also the game will get boring if every card they release is "Discard X card. Draw 2 cards". It also gives more of a gambling effect towards the game. If you don't like buying packs, buy singles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyng's Old Account Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='Johnny Bravo 323' timestamp='1334180951' post='5910620'] What is the point of pack filler? Let's look at it from Konami's point of view. Imagine every card was good. There is no filler anymore and instead every card can be used in a meta deck. Now all you have to do is buy like what, 5 packs and make a deck. Life is great. But does Konami make any money? No they don't. You just bought 5 packs and started playing without giving them any more money. Can a company surivive off that? No. By adding pack filler and making the stronger cards harder to get they force you to spend more money to upgrade your deck keeping the company alive which thus let's you play Yu-Gi-Oh. Instead of bashing it, I think you should be worshiping it. [/quote]¬_¬ Not all good, playable. You should read the topic. I agree, they should be at least playable, however sometimes you have to consider that, sometimes, bad cards can be essentially used as good ones if turned against your opponent. The better players are those who can turn these catastrophes into playable cards with combos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1334181339' post='5910631'] ...Even a card that stops you from using Spells and Traps for a turn? Yes, it stops negative effects of cards of activating[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bravo 323 Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 Those would be the cool gimmicks that make fans of YuGiOh for reasons other than the game all happy. I don't believe in unplayable cards. I think that some cards are stronger than others but nothing is unplayable. (except Frog the Jam) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 I can't believe that no-one decided to say that some "pack fillers" are actually really good in Sneak Preview events and Konami keeps that in mind for those players as well. They're trying to help a lot of the market, you have to cut them some slack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyng's Old Account Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 "Yes, it stops negative effects of cards of activating" No, it stops you Activating Spells or Traps, it negates nothing; read the card ¬_¬[quote name='Johnny Bravo 323' timestamp='1334181562' post='5910635'] Those would be the cool gimmicks that make fans of YuGiOh for reasons other than the game all happy. I don't believe in unplayable cards. I think that some cards are stronger than others but nothing is unplayable. (except Frog the Jam) [/quote] That's a self contradiction; you can't say "all cards are playable" and then add "but not him" because then one can say "Why not this? And this? And this?" ¬_¬ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted April 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='Kyng' timestamp='1334181399' post='5910633'] ¬_¬ Not all good, playable. You should read the topic. I agree, they should be at least playable, however sometimes you have to consider that, sometimes, bad cards can be essentially used as good ones if turned against your opponent. The better players are those who can turn these catastrophes into playable cards with combos. [/quote] FINALLY!!! Someone who understands what I've been asking for the past page or so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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