Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120504010236/yugioh/images/thumb/5/52/HieraticDragonofTefnuit-GAOV-EN-R-1E.jpg/300px-HieraticDragonofTefnuit-GAOV-EN-R-1E.jpg[/img] [quote]If your opponent controls a monster and you control no monsters, you can Special Summon this card (from your hand). This card cannot attack during the turn it is Special Summoned this way. When this card is Tributed: Special Summon 1 Dragon-Type Normal Monster from your hand, Deck, or Graveyard, and make its ATK and DEF 0.[/quote] Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 This itself is perfectly balanced. The most broken card in the deck is REDMD, but the thing they need to hit is Atums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1336182742' post='5932718'] This itself is perfectly balanced. The most broken card in the deck is REDMD, but the thing they need to hit is Atums. [/quote]They'll probably play it like Sams and hit the searcher too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1336182742' post='5932718']The most broken card in the deck is REDMD, but the thing they need to hit is Atums. [/quote]That makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 To settle this argument: Redrum should be banned, Atum should be Semi'd afterwards. That's all it needs. =/ OT: The deck would die without this. Such a good card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 [quote name='Kokonoe' timestamp='1336218267' post='5932891'] To settle this argument: Redrum should be banned, Atum should be Semi'd afterwards. That's all it needs. =/ OT: The deck would die without this. Such a good card. [/quote] Killing Dragons as a whole is much more sinful than killing just Hieratics. See, REDMD is the only reason Dragons except Dragunity even exist as a deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1336220812' post='5932903'] Killing Dragons as a whole is much more sinful than killing just Hieratics. See, REDMD is the only reason Dragons except Dragunity even exist as a deck. [/quote] Kill [i][u]ALL[/u][/i] the broken cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Wouldn't that pretty much make the game really, really boring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1336220812' post='5932903'] Killing Dragons as a whole is much more sinful than killing just Hieratics. See, REDMD is the only reason Dragons except Dragunity even exist as a deck. [/quote] itt allowing decktypes with mindless pluses are good to keep around and don't deserve to be knocked dead. Seriously? Atum doesn't promote mindless pluses without Red-Eyes, Red-Eyes simply prolongs the combo by around 10 times. Killing Red-Eyes simply makes the deck become a lot more skillful and take an entirely different approach. What a shame that we lose a terribly designed card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1336221119' post='5932909'] Wouldn't that pretty much make the game really, really boring? [/quote] Your opinion. I disagree.Balance is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 [spoiler=Okey dokey]Newly banned, from previous Limited List: LEFT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE LEFT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE RIGHT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE RIGHT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING BLACKWING －GALE THE WHIRLWIND BLACKWING －KALUT THE MOON SHADOW DANDYLION DARK ARMED DRAGON DEBRIS DRAGON ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE GLADIATOR BEAST BESTIARI GORZ THE EMISSARY OF DARKNESS HONEST LONEFIRE BLOSSOM MEZUKI MORPHING JAR NECROFACE NEO-SPACIAN GRAND MOLE NIGHT ASSAILANT PLAGUESPREADER ZOMBIE SANGAN T.G. STRIKER THE AGENT OF MYSTERY - EARTH BRIONAC, DRAGON OF THE ICE BARRIER FORMULA SYNCHRON LEGENDARY SIX SAMURAI - SHI EN T.G. HYPER LIBRARIAN ADVANCED RITUAL ART ALLURE OF DARKNESS BLACK WHIRLWIND BOOK OF MOON BURIAL FROM A DIFFERENT DIMENSION CARD DESTRUCTION CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE DARK HOLE FOOLISH BURIAL FUTURE FUSION GATEWAY OF THE SIX HEAVY STORM INFERNITY LAUNCHER LIMITER REMOVAL MIND CONTROL MONSTER GATE MONSTER REBORN ONE FOR ONE POT OF AVARICE PRIMAL SEED REASONING REINFORCEMENT OF THE ARMY SCAPEGOAT CEASEFIRE MAGICAL EXPLOSION MIRROR FORCE RETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSION SOLEMN JUDGMENT THE TRANSMIGRATION PROPHECY WALL OF REVEALING LIGHT Newly banned, from previous Semi-Limited list: ARCHLORD KRISTYA CARD TROOPER DESTINY HERO - MALICIOUS LUMINA, LIGHTSWORN SUMMONER MARSHMALLON NECRO GARDNA REBORN TENGU SUMMONER MONK TRAGOEDIA DEWLOREN, TIGER KING OF THE ICE BARRIER CHAIN STRIKE DESTINY DRAW EMERGENCY TELEPORT LEVEL LIMIT - AREA B MAGICAL STONE EXCAVATION ROYAL TRIBUTE SHIEN'S SMOKE SIGNAL SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT BOTTOMLESS TRAP HOLE MAGIC CYLINDER MIND CRUSH OJAMA TRIO SOLEMN WARNING TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE ULTIMATE OFFERING Newly banned, from cards previously at 3: -Pot of Duality -Card-Car D -Inzektor Dragonfly -Inzektor Hornet -Evolzar Laggia -Evolzar Dolkka -Tour Guide from the Underworld -Wind-Up Hunter -Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaighty -Wind-Up Zenmaines -Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World -Snoww, Unlight of Dark World -The Gates of Dark World -Skill Drain -Ally of Justice Catastor -Scrap Dragon -Effect Veiler -Call of the Haunted -Leviair the Sea Dragon -Daigusto Emeral -Number 61: Volcasaurus -Gaia Dragoon, the Force of Lightning -Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon -Lightpulsar Dragon -Chaos Sorcerer -Black Rose Dragon -Evilswarm Ophion -Sweltering Heat Transmission Field -Rekindling -Maestroke the Symphony Djinn -Lavalval Chain -Laval Volcano Handmaiden -Six Samurai United -Miracle Fusion -Super Polymerization -Elemental HERO Absolute Zero -Elemental HERO The Shining -Naturia Beast -Naturia Barkion -Naturia Landoise -Karakuri Shogun mdl 00 “Burei” -Karakuri Steel Shogun mdl 00X “Bureido” - Karakuri Komachi mdl 224 “Ninishi” -Naturia Bambooshoot -Blade Armor Ninja -Maxx “C” -Gem-Knight Fusion -Gishki Aquamirror -Evigishki Zeal Gigas -Salvage -Constellar Ptolemys Messier 7 -Constellar Pleiades -Caius the Shadow Monarch -Chain Material -Master Hyperion -Cosmic Fortress Gol’gar -Shooting Quasar Dragon -Treeborn Frog -Swap Frog -Dark Simorgh -Deep Sea Diva -Armed Samurai – Ben Kei -Royal Decree -Trap Stun -Machina Fortress -Thunder King Rai-Oh -Metaion the Time Lord -Accumulated Fortune -Gustaph Max, the Super-Dreadnaught Railway Gun -Evil HERO Dark Gaia -Dark Calling -Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo -Crystal Beacon -Breaker the Magical Warrior -Light and Darkness Dragon -Demise, the King of Armageddon -Geartown -Hino-Kagu-Tsuchi -Mausoleum of the Emperor -Final Countdown Stopped here because lazy. Yup, that's 164 cards that just turned into toilet paper. Is this really what we want? Of course not. The game needs some brokenness to be fun. Also, at least I think versality is important for the game, and REDMD is a necesarry evil.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1336220812' post='5932903'] Killing Dragons as a whole is much more sinful than killing just Hieratics. See, REDMD is the only reason Dragons except Dragunity even exist as a deck. [/quote] Then Dragons should die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1336222799' post='5932918'] Also, at least I think versality is important for the game [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Why REDMD hasn't been hit is really baffling. Atum is fine IMO, if anything the Gaia stack-on XYZ presents more of a longterm threat. Ban REDMD and Gaia, see what that does, then have any future Hieratic cards focus on Normal Dragon dumping and the such to help out their boss and not make them a pure swarm deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1336222799' post='5932918'] [spoiler=Okey dokey]Newly banned, from previous Limited List: LEFT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE LEFT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE RIGHT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE RIGHT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING BLACKWING －GALE THE WHIRLWIND BLACKWING －KALUT THE MOON SHADOW DANDYLION DARK ARMED DRAGON DEBRIS DRAGON ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE GLADIATOR BEAST BESTIARI GORZ THE EMISSARY OF DARKNESS HONEST LONEFIRE BLOSSOM MEZUKI MORPHING JAR NECROFACE NEO-SPACIAN GRAND MOLE NIGHT ASSAILANT PLAGUESPREADER ZOMBIE SANGAN T.G. STRIKER THE AGENT OF MYSTERY - EARTH BRIONAC, DRAGON OF THE ICE BARRIER FORMULA SYNCHRON LEGENDARY SIX SAMURAI - SHI EN T.G. HYPER LIBRARIAN ADVANCED RITUAL ART ALLURE OF DARKNESS BLACK WHIRLWIND BOOK OF MOON BURIAL FROM A DIFFERENT DIMENSION CARD DESTRUCTION CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE DARK HOLE FOOLISH BURIAL FUTURE FUSION GATEWAY OF THE SIX HEAVY STORM INFERNITY LAUNCHER LIMITER REMOVAL MIND CONTROL MONSTER GATE MONSTER REBORN ONE FOR ONE POT OF AVARICE PRIMAL SEED REASONING REINFORCEMENT OF THE ARMY SCAPEGOAT CEASEFIRE MAGICAL EXPLOSION MIRROR FORCE RETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSION SOLEMN JUDGMENT THE TRANSMIGRATION PROPHECY WALL OF REVEALING LIGHT Newly banned, from previous Semi-Limited list: ARCHLORD KRISTYA CARD TROOPER DESTINY HERO - MALICIOUS LUMINA, LIGHTSWORN SUMMONER MARSHMALLON NECRO GARDNA REBORN TENGU SUMMONER MONK TRAGOEDIA DEWLOREN, TIGER KING OF THE ICE BARRIER CHAIN STRIKE DESTINY DRAW EMERGENCY TELEPORT LEVEL LIMIT - AREA B MAGICAL STONE EXCAVATION ROYAL TRIBUTE SHIEN'S SMOKE SIGNAL SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT BOTTOMLESS TRAP HOLE MAGIC CYLINDER MIND CRUSH OJAMA TRIO SOLEMN WARNING TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE ULTIMATE OFFERING Newly banned, from cards previously at 3: -Pot of Duality -Card-Car D -Inzektor Dragonfly -Inzektor Hornet -Evolzar Laggia -Evolzar Dolkka -Tour Guide from the Underworld -Wind-Up Hunter -Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaighty -Wind-Up Zenmaines -Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World -Snoww, Unlight of Dark World -The Gates of Dark World -Skill Drain -Ally of Justice Catastor -Scrap Dragon -Effect Veiler -Call of the Haunted -Leviair the Sea Dragon -Daigusto Emeral -Number 61: Volcasaurus -Gaia Dragoon, the Force of Lightning -Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon -Lightpulsar Dragon -Chaos Sorcerer -Black Rose Dragon -Evilswarm Ophion -Sweltering Heat Transmission Field -Rekindling -Maestroke the Symphony Djinn -Lavalval Chain -Laval Volcano Handmaiden -Six Samurai United -Miracle Fusion -Super Polymerization -Elemental HERO Absolute Zero -Elemental HERO The Shining -Naturia Beast -Naturia Barkion -Naturia Landoise -Karakuri Shogun mdl 00 “Burei” -Karakuri Steel Shogun mdl 00X “Bureido” - Karakuri Komachi mdl 224 “Ninishi” -Naturia Bambooshoot -Blade Armor Ninja -Maxx “C” -Gem-Knight Fusion -Gishki Aquamirror -Evigishki Zeal Gigas -Salvage -Constellar Ptolemys Messier 7 -Constellar Pleiades -Caius the Shadow Monarch -Chain Material -Master Hyperion -Cosmic Fortress Gol’gar -Shooting Quasar Dragon -Treeborn Frog -Swap Frog -Dark Simorgh -Deep Sea Diva -Armed Samurai – Ben Kei -Royal Decree -Trap Stun -Machina Fortress -Thunder King Rai-Oh -Metaion the Time Lord -Accumulated Fortune -Gustaph Max, the Super-Dreadnaught Railway Gun -Evil HERO Dark Gaia -Dark Calling -Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo -Crystal Beacon -Breaker the Magical Warrior -Light and Darkness Dragon -Demise, the King of Armageddon -Geartown -Hino-Kagu-Tsuchi -Mausoleum of the Emperor -Final Countdown Stopped here because lazy. Yup, that's 164 cards that just turned into toilet paper. Is this really what we want? Of course not. The game needs some brokenness to be fun. Also, at least I think versality is important for the game, and REDMD is a necesarry evil.[/spoiler] [/quote] While that does indeed cover every card that could be considered broken, I figure that the only changes that would need to be made are those that would hurt Tiers 1 and 2 and then the game can be relatively balanced out at the current Tier 3. The game is passed being able to be completely balanced, but it doesn't have to be broken as it currently is. I'd probably cross off a good many things from the list you made, but that would require a lot of time and I'm frankly too lazy to do that. I might revisit it at some point (probably tomorrow or even later today), but currently I don't feel up for it. I know for certain that this game doesn't need to be completely broken to be fun, since I found the game to be fun even before Phantom Darkness was released (I think of Phantom Darkness as the turning point of this game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1336222799' post='5932918'] [spoiler=Okey dokey]Newly banned, from previous Limited List: LEFT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE LEFT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE RIGHT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE RIGHT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING BLACKWING －GALE THE WHIRLWIND BLACKWING －KALUT THE MOON SHADOW DANDYLION DARK ARMED DRAGON DEBRIS DRAGON ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE GLADIATOR BEAST BESTIARI GORZ THE EMISSARY OF DARKNESS HONEST LONEFIRE BLOSSOM MEZUKI MORPHING JAR NECROFACE NEO-SPACIAN GRAND MOLE NIGHT ASSAILANT PLAGUESPREADER ZOMBIE SANGAN T.G. STRIKER THE AGENT OF MYSTERY - EARTH BRIONAC, DRAGON OF THE ICE BARRIER FORMULA SYNCHRON LEGENDARY SIX SAMURAI - SHI EN T.G. HYPER LIBRARIAN ADVANCED RITUAL ART ALLURE OF DARKNESS BLACK WHIRLWIND BOOK OF MOON BURIAL FROM A DIFFERENT DIMENSION CARD DESTRUCTION CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE DARK HOLE FOOLISH BURIAL FUTURE FUSION GATEWAY OF THE SIX HEAVY STORM INFERNITY LAUNCHER LIMITER REMOVAL MIND CONTROL MONSTER GATE MONSTER REBORN ONE FOR ONE POT OF AVARICE PRIMAL SEED REASONING REINFORCEMENT OF THE ARMY SCAPEGOAT CEASEFIRE MAGICAL EXPLOSION MIRROR FORCE RETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSION SOLEMN JUDGMENT THE TRANSMIGRATION PROPHECY WALL OF REVEALING LIGHT Newly banned, from previous Semi-Limited list: ARCHLORD KRISTYA CARD TROOPER DESTINY HERO - MALICIOUS LUMINA, LIGHTSWORN SUMMONER MARSHMALLON NECRO GARDNA REBORN TENGU SUMMONER MONK TRAGOEDIA DEWLOREN, TIGER KING OF THE ICE BARRIER CHAIN STRIKE DESTINY DRAW EMERGENCY TELEPORT LEVEL LIMIT - AREA B MAGICAL STONE EXCAVATION ROYAL TRIBUTE SHIEN'S SMOKE SIGNAL SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT BOTTOMLESS TRAP HOLE MAGIC CYLINDER MIND CRUSH OJAMA TRIO SOLEMN WARNING TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE ULTIMATE OFFERING Newly banned, from cards previously at 3: -Pot of Duality -Card-Car D -Inzektor Dragonfly -Inzektor Hornet -Evolzar Laggia -Evolzar Dolkka -Tour Guide from the Underworld -Wind-Up Hunter -Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaighty -Wind-Up Zenmaines -Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World -Snoww, Unlight of Dark World -The Gates of Dark World -Skill Drain -Ally of Justice Catastor -Scrap Dragon -Effect Veiler -Call of the Haunted -Leviair the Sea Dragon -Daigusto Emeral -Number 61: Volcasaurus -Gaia Dragoon, the Force of Lightning -Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon -Lightpulsar Dragon -Chaos Sorcerer -Black Rose Dragon -Evilswarm Ophion -Sweltering Heat Transmission Field -Rekindling -Maestroke the Symphony Djinn -Lavalval Chain -Laval Volcano Handmaiden -Six Samurai United -Miracle Fusion -Super Polymerization -Elemental HERO Absolute Zero -Elemental HERO The Shining -Naturia Beast -Naturia Barkion -Naturia Landoise -Karakuri Shogun mdl 00 “Burei” -Karakuri Steel Shogun mdl 00X “Bureido” - Karakuri Komachi mdl 224 “Ninishi” -Naturia Bambooshoot -Blade Armor Ninja -Maxx “C” -Gem-Knight Fusion -Gishki Aquamirror -Evigishki Zeal Gigas -Salvage -Constellar Ptolemys Messier 7 -Constellar Pleiades -Caius the Shadow Monarch -Chain Material -Master Hyperion -Cosmic Fortress Gol’gar -Shooting Quasar Dragon -Treeborn Frog -Swap Frog -Dark Simorgh -Deep Sea Diva -Armed Samurai – Ben Kei -Royal Decree -Trap Stun -Machina Fortress -Thunder King Rai-Oh -Metaion the Time Lord -Accumulated Fortune -Gustaph Max, the Super-Dreadnaught Railway Gun -Evil HERO Dark Gaia -Dark Calling -Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo -Crystal Beacon -Breaker the Magical Warrior -Light and Darkness Dragon -Demise, the King of Armageddon -Geartown -Hino-Kagu-Tsuchi -Mausoleum of the Emperor -Final Countdown Stopped here because lazy. Yup, that's 164 cards that just turned into toilet paper. Is this really what we want? Of course not. The game needs some brokenness to be fun. Also, at least I think versality is important for the game, and REDMD is a necesarry evil.[/spoiler] [/quote] CTRL+F: Rescue not found, so the list is damn terrible if Rabbit isn't on it. And Pot of Duality? ARE YOU JOKING? Oh, btw, 3 or 0 banlists are stupid and that's obviously not what was meant, you just blew it out of preportion. REDRUM, Rescue Rabbit, etc. are not neccesary evils. They don't promote versatility, they promote making a whole lot of things be much better than they deserve to be. 2 different dragon decks currently top. What do they both use? Light Pulsar and REDRUM. Now which one of those is the hilariously broken design? Now, let's look at Rescue Rabbit... Other decks that use it involve thigns like Gem-Knights, Verz, Geargia, etc. And each of those have it being hideously broken at the very least. Even if you ban all its Xyz targets, Rabbit is still a damn big problem. And I didn't go into depth, but a lot of thigns you listed, liek Quasar, are damn terrible choices to make your point, and how you say ban Volcasaurus, who is perfectly fine, and keep Tiras, who is better than Volca. Defending brokenness in the name of versatility is probably the worst argument you can have. OT: Evil thing makes me trigger happy x-x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Banning Atumus doesn't make as many cards absolutely worthless. [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1336261457' post='5933242']they promote making a whole lot of things be much better than they deserve to be. [/quote]So your argument is that because a card can make a lot of shitty cards better and actually give them a purpose... it should be hit... If that's the argument then Darkplant's list should be about 100000000x larger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1336262268' post='5933252'] Banning Atumus doesn't make as many cards absolutely worthless. So your argument is that because a card can make a lot of shitty cards better and actually give them a purpose... it should be hit... If that's the argument then Darkplant's list should be about 100000000x larger. [/quote] Banning Atumus hits one deck when 2 decks use REDRUM. No, my argument is that it makes too many cards too good, just like REDRUM. Variety is a worthless argument in proportion with the absolute stupidity it unleashes. You know what else makes old cards playable in the same way? RESCUE CAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 The argument isn't that Atum should be banned while REDMD remains alive. The argument is that Atum will be hit first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 REDRUM needs to die. Hieratics are a deck in the OCG, Chaos Dragons are a deck in the TCG. Both are arguably the best decks in the current format, and what 1 card do they have in common? As for Tefnuit, it's a well designed card for the archetype... There really isn't anything to say about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted May 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 I don't pay much attention to the OCG, but I hear that Hieratics can consistently top the OCG. The only thing they need to become absolutely horrifically broken is this: [quote]Each time a monster is Tributed while this card is on the field: Draw 1 card.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 I should start siding Mask of Restrict for shits and giggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 REDMD is a horribly designed card and has no business existing, as much as I love it. No deck, no matter how (in)significant should be spared the axe if it relies on a broken card. Also, decreasing the consistency of a card over axing it outright is a completely retarded concept to me because it raises the luck and lowers the skill threshold in most (with a few admittedly significant exceptions) circumstances. OT: only really played Hieratics once or twice, but I did enjoy them while I did. I can spout all the fire I want about the banlist but I really do enjoy the crazy s*** decks like this are capable of. It's why I'm so sour towards decks like Rabbit and Heroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1336299137' post='5933595'] OT: only really played Hieratics once or twice, but I did enjoy them while I did. I can spout all the fire I want about the banlist but I really do enjoy the crazy s*** decks like this are capable of. It's why I'm so sour towards decks like Rabbit and Heroes. [/quote] So you like Hieratics because they are f***ing stupidly linear in their OTK, but you hate Rabbit and Heroes because they actually have to adapt to situations but both also have a linear OTK... Not saying you aren't entitled to an opinion, but your justification is retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1336316021' post='5933671'] So you like Hieratics because they are f***ing stupidly linear in their OTK, but you hate Rabbit and Heroes because they actually have to adapt to situations but both also have a linear OTK... Not saying you aren't entitled to an opinion, but your justification is retarded. [/quote] I like doing crazy s*** like that OTK regardless of how linear it is. I don't really see Rabbit having to adapt to new circumstances to any significant extent, though, but maybe I'm wrong. Heroes are far better about it from what I've seen. I actually find them fun to play from time to time and they seem far less linear. [size=1](I actually like playing Heroes more than Hieratic. I probably shouldn't have just grouped the two together because they're similar in nature)[/size] I'm not saying list action should be taken based on that, I'm just saying what I prefer to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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