CrabHelmet Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Because more than half of the tourney topic has been consumed by arguments over the cards on the list, here's a new topic to absorb those arguments and make room in the YVD tourney topic. I. Forbidden Cards You cannot use these cards in your Deck or Side Deck: ACCUMULATED FORTUNEBLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNINGBUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMACARD OF SAFE RETURNCHANGE OF HEARTCHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE ENDCHAOS SORCERERCHIMERATECH OVERDRAGONCONFISCATIONCRUSH CARD VIRUSCYBER END DRAGONCYBER TWIN DRAGONCYBER JARCYBER-STEINDAIROKKAN (Sixth Sense)DARK ARMED DRAGONDARK HOLEDARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOSDECK DEVASTATION VIRUSDELINQUENT DUODIMENSION FUSIONEXCHANGE OF THE SPIRITFIBER JARGOLD SARCOPHAGUSGRACEFUL CHARITYHARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTERIMPERIAL ORDERLAST TURNLAST WILLLIMITER REMOVALMAGICAL EXPLOSIONMAGICAL SCIENTISTMAKYURA THE DESTRUCTORMEGAMORPHMEIFU NO SHISHA GOES (Gorz the Emissary of Darkness)MIRAGE OF NIGHTMAREMONSTER REBORNMORPHING JARNOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUTPAINFUL CHOICEPHANTOM OF CHAOSPOT OF GREEDPREMATURE BURIALRAIGEKIRETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONRING OF DESTRUCTIONSANGANSINISTER SERPENTSKY SCOURGE NORLERASSNATCH STEALSNIPE HUNTERTHE FORCEFUL SENTRYTHOUSAND-EYES RESTRICTTIME SEALTRAP DUSTSHOOTTREEBORN FROGTSUKUYOMIULTIMATE OFFERINGVICTORY DRAGONWITCH OF THE BLACK FORESTYATA-GARASU NEW! - Accumulated Fortune, Card of Safe Return, Chimeratech Overdragon, Crush Card Virus, Cyber End Dragon, Cyber Twin Dragon, Dark Armed Dragon, Dark Magician of Chaos, Deck Devasation Virus, Dimension Fusion, Gold Sarcophagus, Limiter Removal, Magical Explosion, Megamorph, Meifu no Shisha Goes (Gorz the Emissary of Darkness), Monster Reborn, Morphing Jar, Nobleman of Crossout, Phantom of Chaos, Premature Burial, Return from the Different Dimension, Sangan, Sky Scourge Norleras, Snipe Hunter, Trap Dustshoot, Treeborn Frog, Ultimate Offering II. Limited Cards You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined: BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIORCALL OF THE HAUNTEDCARD DESTRUCTIONCARD TROOPERCEASEFIRECHAIN STRIKEDANDELION (Dandylion)ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOSEXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONEGIANT TRUNADEGREEN BABOON, DEFENDER OF THE FORESTHEAVY STORMJINZOLEVEL LIMIT - AREA BMAGIC CYLINDERMAGICIAN OF FAITHMARSHMALLONMIRROR FORCENIGHT ASSAILANTSPIRIT REAPERSWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHTTRIBE-INFECTING VIRUSTWIN-HEADED BEHEMOTHUNITED WE STAND NEW! - Call of the Haunted, Jinzo, Tribe-Infecting Virus NEW! - The following cards are no longer Limited: Advanced Ritual Art, Book of Moon, Brain Control, Cyber Dragon, D.D. Warrior Lady, Destiny Hero - Disk Commander, Destiny Hero - Malicious, Fissure, Foolish Burial, Future Fusion, Gravity Bind, Left Arm of the Forbidden One, Left Leg of the Forbidden One, Light and Darkness Dragon, Mage Power, Magical Stone Excavation, Manticore of Darkness, Mask of Darkness, Metamorphosis, Mind Crush, Mystical Space Typhoon, Neo-Spacian Grand Mole, Ojama Trio, Ouke no Shinden (Temple of the Kings), Overload Fusion, Pot of Avarice, Raiza the Storm Monarch, Reinforcement of the Army, Right Arm of the Forbidden One, Right Leg of the Forbidden One, Royal Decree, Scapegoat, Smashing Ground, The Transmigration Prophecy, Torrential Tribute, Wall of Revealing Light wrong again 15 cards in a side deck only 3 needed to be dedicated to DAD transmigation prophetcy' date=' shadow imprisoning mirror and D.D Crow are all good options[/quote'] First of all, a card that makes opponents always lose Game 1 is overpowered. Second of all, even three cards to counter a single card is kind of overpowered. Third of all, Dark Armed Dragon is often too fast for one of those cards to be drawn in time. Fourth of all, I somehow doubt that the 10 Dark Armed Dragon decks that made the Top 16 at the last SJC won solely because they faced opponent that used bad side decks. Fifth of all, if you can't see that an instant and easy +4 fused with a 2800 ATK DARK beatstick that can easily be Special Summoned is somehow not overpowered, learn to play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzi Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 I agree with this list 99%. Except for Accumulated Fortune. Why? I have no idea what it does. xP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XanderTheGreat Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 I agree with this list 99%. Except for Accumulated Fortune. Why? I have no idea what it does. xP It is the very reason why chain burn decks are competitive. It gives hand advantage like there's no tomorrow. It's good to see some people agreeing with what Atem thought. Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 DAD does deserve to be limited but not banned as its not highly serachable but also i just noticed that they banned premature burial but kept call of haunted how silly prem is miles worst than call Also tribe not banned am i dreaming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 I agree with this list 99%. Except for Accumulated Fortune. Why? I have no idea what it does. xP Perfectly harmless in the format that we're used to' date=' but in an Atem format it would essentially be a Trap version of Pot of Greed. DAD does deserve to be limited but not banned as its not highly serachable but also i just noticed that they banned premature burial but kept call of haunted how silly prem is miles worst than call Harpie's Feather Duster and Raigeki aren't highly searchable either. Combining them into a single card doesn't make them any less broken. As for Call versus Prem: Limiting Premature Burial would still essentially allow people to run three or four copies of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XanderTheGreat Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 DAD does deserve to be limited but not banned as its not highly serachable but also i just noticed that they banned premature burial but kept call of haunted how silly prem is miles worst than call Also tribe not banned am i dreaming? Haha. HAHAHAHA. DAD deserves the banhammer. It's too easy to summon and way too overpowered. Instant possible +4 in any metagame is INSANE. Tribe is back to compensate for the loss of Snipe Hunter, which is a very good decision. Tribe isn't even THAT good to begin with, all it does is screw specific themed decks, while Snipe Hunter is a gamebreaker. And Premature Burial worse than CotH? Arms Hole wants to speak to you this instant. You just gave me good lulz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 right tribe back and snipe gone lets anaylse that one ok Snipe- Can target any card on the field Requires 1 card to discard 1500 atk no guarenteed to destroy card Tribe- Can destroy multiple monsters 1600 atk guarnteed to destroy card 1 card to discard Tribe is better. No question also last time i checked arms hole is not out yet so prem doesnt deserve to be banned yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 right tribe back and snipe gone lets anaylse that one ok Snipe- Can target any card on the field Requires 1 card to discard 1500 atk no guarenteed to destroy card Tribe- Can destroy multiple monsters 1600 atk guarnteed to destroy card 1 card to discard Tribe is better. No question In case you hadn't noticed' date=' Tribe is an inferior version of Lightning Vortex. Also, the fact that Snipe Hunter can destroy ANYTHING makes up for the dice roll. As for destroying multiple monsters...not only does Lightning Vortex already do that (and Tribe, by the way, isn't searchable), but it will also never destroy more than a maximum of two monsters against an opponent who knows how to play. also last time i checked arms hole is not out yet so prem doesnt deserve to be banned yet Last time I checked, TCG and OCG share banlists. Last time I checked, the YVD tournament allows OCG cards released on or before 23 November 2007. Last time I checked, Arms Hole was released in the OCG on 23 November 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XanderTheGreat Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 The same can be told about Sixth Sense and Gorz, and both are BANNED in that list because they are cheap. Premature Burial deserves the ban, whether you like it or not. Arms Hole transformed it from a very good card to an unstoppable recursing machine. And Tribe better than Snipe? No u. Snipe is way too good because unlike Tribe it can be SEARCHED, and it can destroy any card he wants. The 33.3% chance of failure is actually nothing when you look at how things can go. All Tribe does is screw up themed decks, and almost none of them are very good to begin with. And he can't be searched at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 I dont have YVD so i dont relate this ban list to any thing OCG on checking i agree DAD should be banned (the reason i thought before is i thought u had to remove the 3 darks to summon my bad) Tribe should be banned and snipe should be banned i mean crystal beasts would suck with tribe not banned. Also when ever i play snipe hunter never wins the game (its usually grand mole so i agree with that being on the list). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 I dont have YVD so i dont relate this ban list to any thing OCG on checking i agree DAD should be banned (the reason i thought before is i thought u had to remove the 3 darks to summon my bad) Tribe should be banned and snipe should be banned i mean crystal beasts would suck with tribe not banned. Also when ever i play snipe hunter never wins the game (its usually grand mole so i agree with that being on the list). In case you hadn't noticed, Crystal Beasts already suck, and only four of the Crystal Beasts are actually Beast-Type. Crystal Beasts don't even mind destruction. If you can't win with Snipe Hunter, play better. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 i dont run snipe in main as ive said before. Snipe hunter can be easily beaten by building and GOOD deck for example pheniox blasts and bottomless if you lose against snipe, play better. that is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 i dont run snipe in main as ive said before. Snipe hunter can be easily beaten by building and GOOD deck for example pheniox blasts and bottomless if you lose against snipe' date=' play better. that is all[/quote'] So your gauge of how good a card is based on whether you decide to maindeck it? l2p PWWB and Bottomless are horrible cards to activate in response to a level 4 monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 well if you are going to lose then its good to activate it. Also i do not deck DAD i i think it is an awesome card i dont have to deck a card to think its good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Pot of Greed, Raigeki, and Harpie's Feather Duster can all be negated by Solemn Judgment. If you lose to a deck containing them, play better, that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 pot of greed, raigeki, harpie feather duster are all horribly overpowered cards everyone knows thats why they are on advanced format list im saying about the cards which are not on the advanced format i.e. thte changes they made to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God GAK Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Exodia cannot be at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 But they can be countered by traps. Your argument for Snipe Hunter not being overpowered is that you can activate a trap in response to it. Also, Konami's opinion of a card has no bearing on anything. They don't think Gorz is banworthy, remember. Exodia cannot be at 3. That's why it's at 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Atem left Exodia's head at 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XanderTheGreat Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Only the Exodia head is at one. The rest of the parts are at three. But do you know somebody THAT crazy who would play three of each limb and one head, when you have almost no way of adding the head from the deck to your hand? They'll prefer to play tons of drawing engines instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Atem left Exodia's head at 1? Yes. It was banned in one of his former lists. Exodia's head is the only one that's any challenge, with all the Vanilla recovery. Dark Factory, Backup Soldier, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 i agree on this banlist although... no semis? oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 i agree on this banlist although... no semis? oh well... Decent banlists don't need semis. If something is safe to run at 2, it's safe to run at 3. If it's unsafe to run at 3, it's unsafe to run at 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Hmm? Unlimited Cydra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 i agree on this banlist although... no semis? oh well... Decent banlists don't need semis. If something is safe to run at 2' date=' it's safe to run at 3. If it's unsafe to run at 3, it's unsafe to run at 2.[/quote'] you do have a point there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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