Toffee. Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Been a while since we had a topic on this card. [center][img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100330004057/yugioh/images/thumb/4/41/Light.svg/34px-Light.svg.png[/img] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110217075525/yugioh/images/thumb/0/0c/RankStar.svg/18px-RankStar.svg.png[/img][size=5][color=#000000][b]x9[/b][/color][/size] [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090127044106/starfox/images/thumb/c/c8/Gorgon.jpg/417px-Gorgon.jpg[/img] [color=#000000][b][size=5][Machine/Xyz/Effect][/size] [size=6]2800/3000[/size][/b][/color] [quote][center]2 Level 9 monsters Once, during the Battle Step, when this card with Xyz Material is targeted for an attack: Negate that attack. When this card is targeted for an attack while it has no Xyz Material: You can target 2 monsters in your Graveyard; attach those targets to this card as Xyz Materials. If your opponent controls a monster with higher ATK than this card: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; this turn, this card can attack your opponent directly.[/center][/quote][/center] So apparently his effect Attack-negate part only works once, as long as it has materials, and by the looks of how its worded, the effect is mandatory. Meaning... HERP DERP DYSON NEGATES MY SANGAN ATTACKING, AND THEN MY STRONGER MONSTER JUST RUNS IT OVER LOLOLOLOL Regardless, it seems like one could make a draw engine off this card and Xyz Gift. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Once is bad, and direct attack while your opponent controls a monster with higher ATK is... well... umm... how often can it happen? then spell/trap cards that take mateiral from this card would love to abuse it but your opponent will get rid of it by effect rather letting that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 You need your opponent to have a stronger monster in order to attack directly? And only gets to negate one attack? Come on guys its a Rank 9, why have you made it bad? I read on the wikia that if this gets attacked when it has no overlay units, it gets to do its reattaching thing, but then it's too late to negate the attack because its already been targeted for the attack. Is this correct? If it is that seems stupid, especially given you need the opponent to have a stronger monster to use its effect to deal damage, and need to detach overlay units to activate said effect which then leaves it susceptible to said stronger monster. And that reattachings it units is pointless anyway if its already negated one attack, and it going to explode unless you have a Waboku or Mirror Force set. Honestly this things effects just work against itself. When I saw it in the anime, I was happy. But now I'm not happy. Not happy at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 I was going to make a Star Fox reference, but then I found this: [img]http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/I_f2f0dd_2123743.jpg[/img] And decided it was better. Not really worth it if it only gets 1 negation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Regardless of this card being mediocre, its still one of the coolest Numbers to ever exist. [quote name='Expelsword - 信仰' timestamp='1337801232' post='5945589'] I was going to make a Star Fox reference-[/quote] I was gonna' post the Galactic Emperor, but I doubt anyone played Gotcha Force :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 you guys are being stupid again. the parts of the turn are phases. not steps. the battle step is part of attacking, it still negates ALL attacks. read the card and red the rule book again. this card works exactly like the show. which is fine for a rank 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 I disagree. I think "Once[COMMA] during the Battle Step" suggests that it does activate only one time, and in the Battle Step. If I wanted it to negate everything, I probably would say "Once during the Battle Step this card with Xyz Materials is attacked." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 [quote name='Expelsword - 信仰' timestamp='1337823833' post='5945820'] I disagree. I think "Once[COMMA] during the Battle Step" suggests that it does activate only one time, and in the Battle Step. If I wanted it to negate everything, I probably would say "Once during the Battle Step this card with Xyz Materials is attacked." [/quote] the once with a comma is so you couldn't find some broken combo that allows you to capitalize on spamming the effect for some other random card that has been/ could be made, that's what I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 [quote name='werewolfjedi' timestamp='1337824557' post='5945829'] the once with a comma is so you couldn't find some broken combo that allows you to capitalize on spamming the effect for some other random card that has been/ could be made, that's what I think. [/quote] The "once" means it doesn't negate all attacks. Generally, that is what "once" means. ._. It doesn't say "Once per Battle Step" or w/e, it says "Once, during the Battle Step". Meaning, it only goes off once while it has Xyz material, at best. It might even be only once while it's face-up, no matter if it restocks, but IDK about the wording and that seems unlikely. It being mandatory is... Not that great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 So...it was good, and then it wasn't good? ??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 This seems relevant as well. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBrSV-SarPE[/media] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 I wonder if the first effect as it is would mean it can happen again after its has no materials then restock them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1337825112' post='5945832'] The "once" means it doesn't negate all attacks. Generally, that is what "once" means. ._. It doesn't say "Once per Battle Step" or w/e, it says "Once, during the Battle Step". Meaning, it only goes off once while it has Xyz material, at best. It might even be only once while it's face-up, no matter if it restocks, but IDK about the wording and that seems unlikely. It being mandatory is... Not that great. [/quote] if that is the case, then the card is totally worthless and no one will play it. I think it's what I say it is, cause, A) thats what it does in the show, and they been doing pretty well on keeping the theme of the mosnter in translation, and b ) what would be the point of the the restocking ability then since that would never happen before it died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 If this card has materials, then it only negates 1 attack. If it restocks them, then it can negate another attack. The fact that the effect is mandatory is what kills it :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Why are you guys taking this unofficial translation as the be-all, end-all and judging 9 as unusable. Other sources are saying "Once per Battle Step." What now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 [IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/161j6uw.png[/IMG] Just going by the wording found on Majjy, it is A. Optional. B. Confusing, but is, indeed, once per Battle Step. But damn if that wording isn't confusing. I'd love if Darkwolf/Evilfusion/Meta could explain this, though, to be sure x~x [quote name='ΩMEGA KAISER' timestamp='1337899807' post='5946318'] Why are you guys taking this unofficial translation as the be-all, end-all and judging 9 as unusable. Other sources are saying "Once per Battle Step." What now? [/quote] So, apparently, discussing on a potential translation is stupid when it's unclear which is correct. 11/10 logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1337908637' post='5946392'] [img]http://i47.tinypic.com/161j6uw.png[/img] Just going by the wording found on Majjy, it is A. Optional. B. Confusing, but is, indeed, once per Battle Step. But damn if that wording isn't confusing. I'd love if Darkwolf/Evilfusion/Meta could explain this, though, to be sure x~x [/quote] So... it can activate its effect once each time its attacked, but it can be got around by... some effects? Sorry I don't get this very much at all. But then at the minute everyone seems just as confused as me. :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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