mido9 Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 ^ It's still a mostly free revive. Oh,and plaguespreader zombie to 2/3? It's a pretty balanced tuner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1341861424' post='5972073'] ^ It's still a mostly free revive. Oh,and plaguespreader zombie to 2/3? It's a pretty balanced tuner. [/quote] I understand that, but so is Monster Reborn. So if we're going to keep one of them, why not keep Premature Burial instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Neo Galaxy' timestamp='1341861410' post='5972071'] I only glanced over it, so I might have missed something, but if Brionac is banned on this list, couldn't you swap Premature Burial for Monster Reborn? That way we still have some sort of generic revival but one that can't be looped without running bad cards, and therefore, it's at least a little more restricted than Monster Reborn. [/quote] Dewloren still abuses it =X It's a minor point, but Premature Burial is much more searchable, recyclable, and overall abusable than Reborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Prema can still be abused by stuff like MV Falcon, Dewloren and Hidden Armory, and I'd just rather avoid scenarios like that. On Plaguespreader, I don't think it'd be wise to allow it at any more than one, almost solely for the fact that Librarian is a card, but seeing as Librarian could also be arguably bannable I'm not too sure. It's pretty piss-poor design as it is and removes the cost of synchroing almost entirely, so banning it and unlimiting Plaguespreader seems legit. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 That could definitely work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 A ban in librarian could be good. That would maybe allow Fishborg to go to one. Is the brionac ban enough to keep the infernities from playing 15 minutes turns?, would it be too much to limit necromancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I think the problem with Infernities is Launcher. I'm not sure much else really needs to go anywhere as with Launcher @ 0, they don't have much of a strong offense regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I would ban Stratos instead of limiting Miracle Fusion. and then unlimit ddraw [s]and mali[/s] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 But stratos is the consistency of HEROs. Along with Ecall. But list looks good. You might wanna consider having Legendary Six Spamurai - Shi En somewhere on the banned area. I know Gateways gone, but Shi En is still what makes Six Spams tick with it @1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 [quote name='Iwasawa' timestamp='1341970718' post='5973572'] But stratos is the consistency of HEROs. Along with Ecall. But list looks good. You might wanna consider having Legendary Six Spamurai - Shi En somewhere on the banned area. I know Gateways gone, but Shi En is still what makes Six Spams tick with it @1. [/quote] Why not keep it at @1? There's no need to crush SixSams as a Deck completely. With Gateway gone, they lose a lot of that broken-ness and become swarm based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Ascetism still exists though. And Shi En is still what makes the deck annoying as f***. It's more annoying when the person gets first-turn Gateway, but it's also annoying when person gets first turn Shi En. Which, knowing this as a Spam player myself, is 95% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I don't like a card that says "When this card is summoned and you have no cards in your hand special summon 4400 damage from your extra deck" and the fact that it can be recyclable by Shining which can also be brought out with Fusion Gate. like that hero alive deck that won japan nats is super gay and even with only one miracle fusion and no future fusion it still has combos up the ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 NO idea what you're saying there bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/109326879/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Limiting RedMd stops hieratic OTKs, and slows down chaos dragons. You could also just limit wyvern or pulsar along side it, if they're still a problem. And Book is a great card, 3 seems like a bit much. 2 Would give you another copy, without it being consistently dropped like it could be with the third copy. Other than that, very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 If redmd is limited it can still be sent to the gy with milling and darkflare. tbh it's a 3-0 card and honestly for a skilled format I prefer that it's at 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Magical Explosion to 0. Infernity Launcher to 0. Librarian to 0. Plaguespreader to 2/3? idk which it'd be best at, it's still pretty simple revival for a tuner. Honestly still think Miracle should be @1. In the ideal format, The Shining and Ab0 are insane cards as it is, let alone being a +0 to summon them. Stratos to 0. D-Draw to 3. I wish Mali would be justified @3 but that's way too much. Chain Material to 0. Idea of banning Shi En is absurd. If anyone wants to add to this, or just discuss the changes, go for it. I'll update the OP later after some more people give their thoughts. REDMD is a 3-0 card. It's insane anywhere above 0 since it's so easy to get and makes too many decks too good. (Only 2, but that's a lot for one card to make simply insane) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Best way to check changes to test on DN *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Plague is just a 141 tuner that makes -1 synchros,what's the worse that can happen at 3? You can just ban mezuki if zombies do anything. For shi en,you can hit united,warning,or double edged to make him a lot less derpy,but i dont think he needs any hit even in this format. Oh,and advanced ritual art? Even at 3 and with only 2 earths and 1 kristya agent herald outclasses normal herald and doesnt clog nearly as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Magical Explosion to 0.is pointless because the FTK required that you use at least 2 after effectively milling/drawing and droping your entire deck in addition, the deck used Dmoc for a loop into a draw effect, which no longer exists, it's limited to keep the lol-draw deck from killing you from somehow dropping 40 spells into the graveyard and since you need to discard a lot of monsters for many of the draw effects, it would effective end up as a 60 card deck. 60 card decks for a single card OTK are NOT threats. a single explosion alone can not do significant damage to be considered a ban threat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1342023044' post='5974146'] Plague is just a 141 tuner that makes -1 synchros,what's the worse that can happen at 3? You can just ban mezuki if zombies do anything. For shi en,you can hit united,warning,or double edged to make him a lot less derpy,but i dont think he needs any hit even in this format. Oh,and advanced ritual art? Even at 3 and with only 2 earths and 1 kristya agent herald outclasses normal herald and doesnt clog nearly as much. [/quote] I don't think Sams need to be hit at all. ARA is such terrible design I'd never want to unlimit it, personally. Although I honestly dunno since the last I saw of ARA was Demise OTK. [quote name='werewolfjedi' timestamp='1342023253' post='5974148'] Magical Explosion to 0.is pointless because the FTK required that you use at least 2 after effectively milling/drawing and droping your entire deck in addition, the deck used Dmoc for a loop into a draw effect, which no longer exists, it's limited to keep the lol-draw deck from killing you from somehow dropping 40 spells into the graveyard and since you need to discard a lot of monsters for many of the draw effects, it would effective end up as a 60 card deck. 60 card decks for a single card OTK are NOT threats. a single explosion alone can not do significant damage to be considered a ban threat [/quote] So it's an OTK-only card... So it should be banned. .-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 So to top it all off (atm): DW = Shot in the leg, and arm, but can still deal decent damage. Agents = Got some life back into them. T.G.s = Are able to play more consistently without total ownage. DinoRabbit = Dead... Wind-ups = Needs a new way to Xyz Spam since their hand loop is gone, which is actually nice. ALTF4 Conditions = Dead...(aww bye bye trolls) LS = With JD at 1, they are gonna go into more careful plays Glads = Far more consistent with Gyz at 1 and Best at 3. Books help the deck too. Heroes = More drawy with D.Heroes and DDraw, less opposingly powerful with some main fusions out. Chain Burn = Is burned, but might still work a little XP Chaos Dragon = Needs alot more brains now with its doctor gone. Hieratics = Same reason for Chaos Dragons Chaos.dek = Much less of an overall beater powerhouse, but still decently consistent with combo plays. Evol/Jurrak = Seems to escape into the use of the Zars Blackwings = Are more consistent as a deck with the second Gale. Flamvell/Lavals = Can't these decks still abuse rekind into some really heavy monsters such as Red Nova/Quasar? X-Sabers = Maybe I didn't see something...but wouldn't these guys be the problem in THIS format? I'm sure there's still alot more input isn't there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1342025010' post='5974174'] I don't think Sams need to be hit at all. ARA is such terrible design I'd never want to unlimit it, personally. Although I honestly dunno since the last I saw of ARA was Demise OTK. So it's an OTK-only card... So it should be banned. .-. [/quote] chain burn can use it outside of otk just fine for a final shot. it's just a simple burn card now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 @X-Sabers, I'll be honest, idek how they work or what they do, so if someone else could give their two cents, it'd be appreciated. @Laval/Flamvell, they're no threat in the TCG.[quote name='werewolfjedi' timestamp='1342025286' post='5974182'] chain burn can use it outside of otk just fine for a final shot. [/quote] And Chain Burn deserves to die. ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 X-Sabers tend to be a decently fast paced deck and have some nasty cards. If Gyzarus saw a ban...idk y this guy might no see it also: [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100622013709/yugioh/images/thumb/6/6c/XX-SaberHyunleiABPF-EN-UR-1E.png/300px-XX-SaberHyunleiABPF-EN-UR-1E.png[/img] Also, they tend to Synchro Spam, and even with brio gone they can generate some nasty +s. @Laval/Flamvells = But this is still gonna affect they way they play with "this" ban list :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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