[Oni Fist] An archetype by a member with no understanding of balance? Why not? [Set]

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Some of you might have saw this one coming, others may not. But here we are, the archetype done and fully functional. Also, I may have gone a bit over the top when it comes to making cards, so OP'dness will be everywhere. So without further ado, here it is, the Oni Fist archetype. (Not actually an archetype, there's only 8 cards here)

[spoiler=Xyzs. (AKA, the main bulk)]
[img]http://i45.tinypic.com/29cv0r5.jpg[/img]

[spoiler=Hoshiguma's effect]


2 Level 4 Warrior-type Monsters

This card cannot destroy monsters by battle. This card cannot be destroyed by battle. During your opponent's turn, you can pay 1500 Life Points: This turn, your opponent can only attack this card. If this card battles a monster, you can place 1 Oni Counter on that monster at the end of the Damage Step (max. 1). You can detach 2 Xyz materials from this card to destroy all monsters with an Oni Counter(s) on it.
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[img]http://i49.tinypic.com/k0wfs.jpg[/img]
[spoiler=Ibuki's effect]
2 Level 4 Warrior-type Monsters

[color=#000000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]This card cannot be destroyed by battle. If you take Battle Damage, place 1 Oni Counter on this card for every 500 damage taken. During either player's turn, you can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card, remove any number of Oni Counters from this card, and activate one of the following effects depending on how many Oni Counters removed: 1: Both players lose 500 Life Points. 2: This card can attack twice during this turn's Battle Phase. 4: Activate only when your opponent activates a card effect; negate the effect. 6: Destroy all cards on the field.[/background][/background][/font][/color]
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[img]http://i49.tinypic.com/103c0hi.jpg[/img]
[spoiler=Ibara's Effect]
2 Level 4 Warrior-type Monsters

This card cannot destroy monsters by battle. During your Battle Phase, you can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; this card can attack twice during the same battle phase. If this card attacks a monster, you can place 1 Oni Counter on that monster at the end of the Damage Step (max. 1). If a monster with an Oni Counter activates it's effects or declares an attack, destroy it.
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[img]http://i46.tinypic.com/b9ce8l.jpg[/img]
[spoiler=Kanaguma's effect]

4 Level 4 Warrior-Type Monsters

You can also Xyz Summon this card by using 2 Rank 4 EARTH Xyz monsters you control as the Xyz Material. (Xyz Materials attached to those monsters also become Xyz Materials on this card.)
If this card battles a monster with an Oni Counter on it, banish it immediately without applying damage calculation. If this effect is activated, this card can attack another monster with an Oni Counter on it during this turn's Battle Phase. Once per turn; you can detach 2 Xyz materials from this card to add 1 Warrior-Type monster from your graveyard to your hand.
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[spoiler=Monsters (AKA, the one you'll never use.)]
[img]http://i46.tinypic.com/k1e87c.jpg[/img]
[spoiler=Red Oni's effect]
You can banish 1 "Blue Oni" in your hand: Special summon this card from your graveyard.
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[img]http://i45.tinypic.com/iemahh.jpg[/img]
[spoiler=Blue Oni's effect]
You can banish 1 "Red Oni" in your graveyard: Special summon this card from your hand.
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[spoiler=Support Cards (AKA, the over-the-top-powerful-game-breakers)]
[img]http://i49.tinypic.com/9up4bq.jpg[/img]
[spoiler=The Three Devas Of The Mountains' effect]
Once per turn, you can discard 1 card to special summon 1 Level 4 Warrior-Type monster from your hand. If you control 3 Rank 4 EARTH/Warrior-type monsters with different names, you can send this card to the graveyard: Destroy cards on the field and on the hand equal to the number of Oni Counters on the field when this effect is activated.
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[img]http://i48.tinypic.com/a1on6f.jpg[/img]
[spoiler=Oni Sign: Red Oni, Blue Oni's effect]
Return 2 Cards from your hand to the top of the deck; Send 1 "Red Oni" from your deck to the graveyard and add 1 "Blue Oni" from your deck to your hand.
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[img]http://i49.tinypic.com/6gha9g.jpg[/img]
[spoiler=Victory Is One Strike Away!'s effect]
When a player Special Summons a monster(s), place 1 Oni Counter on this card for each monster summoned. You can remove 25 Oni Counters on the field: Both players' life points become 1500.
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[IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/1zpjn0p.jpg[/IMG]
[spoiler=Oni Strike's effect]
Activate only if you control a face-up EARTH Rank 4 Xyz Monster. This turn, all Warrior-Type monsters you control can attack twice
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[IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/dwc408.jpg[/IMG]
[spoiler=Oni God Strike's effect]
Activate only when a monster with an Oni Counter(s) on it is attacked. Destroy 1 spell/trap card on the field and both players must discard 1 card.
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And there you go, my latest set. This is a step backward compared to my previous set "Phantom Blasters" in terms of size, but then again, I wasn't looking for an archetype that can stand on it's own without support from existing decks. This deck is meant to be used in synergy with existing Warrior decks which can swarm a lot. The main support card, The Three Devas Of The Mountains is there to ease the summoning of the 3 Xyzs and manipulate the field using the three. The dynamic duo, Blue Oni and Red Oni is also there for Xyz summon. The set's main point is to either be a beatdown/stall deck or field control deck, depending on the other cards on the deck. The Xyzs have a trait of either not being to destroy monsters by battle (Ibara) cannot be destroyed by battle (Ibuki) or both.(Hoshiguma) I'm not intending this to be tier 1 or anything, I want to create a set that is fun to use but still competitive. But I don't know about that, so as usual, Rate, Fix my [s]f**k an Oni punched me in the bloody face OCG[/s] if broken and CnC gets a rep.

[2Dual]

minor OCG fix: in hoshiguma's and ibuki's xyz materials it should be '2 Level 4 Warrior-Type monsters", monsters' types are always followed by -Type. also i think you switched ; and : in several points, but it really isn't the point.

hoshiguma: overall i think it's balanced, if anything i wouldn't really use it, LPs are often trivial, but i guess there are cheaperways to destroy cards than this, also it's a bit slow.

ibuki: 3000 LP is quite the damage for a non-direct attack so it's fine for the nuke effect. again undestructible by battle, i'm unsure on this one, it's true that destruction by battle is rarely seen in current meta, but you can always make it go kamikaze just to take battle damage and add counters.

ibara: if you manage to make this one undestructible by battle you're putting 2 oni counters per turn and hoshiguma could abuse that.

red oni: it needs to be only once per turn. if you have 3 red onis in your graveyard you can summon them all in the same turn, and that's instant xyz with 3 materials and no restrictions. also, you can tribute it for an effect countless times as you can always revive it. as it is, it's broken imo.

blue oni: this is better, nothing much to say.

sorry but i can't see the support cards, network problems, maybe i'll review later when i can see them.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Oh, OK then. I'll fix Red Oni's effect.

Also, Ibara [b]can [/b]be destroyed by battle.

[2Dual]

yes i know, what i meant is that you can always make it undestructible with card effects, and that would make quite some combo with hoshigumi.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

That's supposed to be the main combo of this set. Effect Negation+Monster Destruction.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Added a boss monster for the lulz.

[Althemia]

Nearly all of them are fine... Except for Ibuki and Oni Sign. These two are ones that I desperately have worries about.

For one, let's start with Ibuki. What I don't like about Ibuki? It has a permanent negation ability that stops your opponent from ever playing again. You put in the card text [i]"4: If your opponent activates a card effect, negate it."[/i], which is stated to be permanent as the card lore says that it's not until the end of the turn. Reaaaaaaaaally broken, since it basically says you pay 2000 Life Points to win the game.

Oni Sign I don't like simply because it says that you can Xyz Summon a Rank 4 and mill your deck by two cards just for playing it. I honestly find that as bad / worse design than Tour Guide in some regards, especially considering the fact that these two can also make things like Heroic Champion Excalibur and Blade Armor Ninja. Yeah... Not liking it.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Minor effect fix for Ibuki's effect.
EDIT: Oni Sign received a cost.
DOUBLE EDIT: Fixed Oni Sign's effect.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

I need more comments!

bUMp

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Added 2 new support cards.
If you want to review this set, please read the effect I've written underneath the cards. Some of them has a minor difference from the effect written on the card.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Come on, 2 comments?
Bump.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Its intresting to say the least. Whilst i will look at them in a lot more data, i think its a really good set. I don't think any card is overpowered, other than Oni strike for its double attack, turning all your monsters into blade armour Ninjas for free basically. That combined with The Three Devas Of The Mountains. But, again it would probably be hard to pull off.

I will do a more detailed review as you add cards, (if you are) and when i have the time to make it meaningful. After what i'm sure was a lot of effort, only going half hearted with the review of them would be unfair.

[Nathanael D. Striker]

As a whole, I can see this set being used. You do have minor OCG errors. Special Summon, Graveyard, Deck. Other than that, very interesting concept you have here. I like the varied use of Oni Counters, which is a nice touch.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Thanks for the comment, both of you. I really appreciate it <3

@Hive

I'm not sure if I am going to add more cards. More cards may disturb the balance of this set.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Durp. Bumping this.

P.S: Not trying to boast or anything, but for new members, this is how you build sets. Make sure your set follows one theme and is able to support that theme consistently, not place a bunch of random cards with similar names and/or pictures and calling it an archetype. But still, this is just a piece of advice given from a member with no understanding of balance. Feel free to follow it or not, but I wont be responsible if someone says your set sucks balls.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Still no comment? ):
Bump.:/

[Mehmani]

It's late at night and I'm drunk and tired, so excuse me for not posting my normal thousand-word reviews. I'm unsure about the archetype support in the form of Oni God Strike and Oni Strike. The former is decent, although outclassed by Typhoon and somewhat situational. The latter is also quite situational, and unlike the former requires you to be in control. I love the splashability and toolboxyness of Red and Blue Oni, along with their own support card that keeps the Onis (Onii? Onis? Onisiatii? What's the plural) flowing thick and fast. They remind of the Gadgets as thinners, although they require a bit of prep, which actually balances them fairly nicely. Three Devas has nice splashability, not to mention its lovely, albeit situational, additional effect. Victory Is One Strike Away! is useless, sorry.

The counter gimmick backfires quite badly on the Xyz monsters. Ibuki seems impractical, because the effects of the other two, not to mention the support, are likely to kill it off.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Hmmm... I see...

Thanks for the comment, Alfred.

Anyway, bump.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Ra-ra-ra-a

Roma-roma-ma

Bu-bump-bu-ump.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

RC Is getting alive again.

So, buuuuuuuummpppp.....

[thekazu4u]

These cards are actually very well balanced.

I think that "Victory is one Strike Away" is sort of random, and doesn't seem to be the best of design to me. I mean, I can already see some crazy loopish things happening,get 25 counters, launch the trap, then everybody going crazy with burn. I am not saying it is OP'd, just that it doesn't seem to be a very well designed card. Also, the picture doesn't seem to fit the name/effect at all. Also, when I first read the title I thought for sure it was going to be "Victory is Oni One Shot Away." That bad pun is somehow your fault.

Also, regarding the Xyzs, I see extreme potential brokenness when used with the Alive Hero FTK/OTK decks from the OCG which are coming to the TCG... very soon. Ibara is essentially a super charged Blade Armor Ninja for the deck, and Kanaguma causes extreme chaos with bubbleman. Be careful when making Xyzs that support an already super OP'd deck. Having a double attacker that can morph into Kanaguma at a overall cost of essentially 1 warrior should it be accidentally Fiendish Chained is not exactly great.

In other words, when designing an archetype be careful with how your support cards will help other archetypes.

As for a fix, just in your Xyz Material Monsters, instead of saying "2 Level 4 Warrior-Type Monster" say instead "2 Level 4 "Oni" Monsters."

Really, I'm nitpicking though. The cards are really very good.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

If I make the materials "Oni" monsters, that will pretty much remove all support for this deck, at least for me. But yeah, I totally forgot (or rather, don't know) about Alive Hero. Any suggestions on fixing this without essentially killing the cards?

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Oni Bump!

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Feed me with replies.
Bump.

[PrimeAceJohn]

Awesome! Where'd you get the pics?