Lonk Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 I'm sick of Mind Control already. Ban it. Rabbit is the obvious offender. Anyone who says it is the Evolzars obviously are still butthurt from taking a huge anal raping by some random guy using Jurracs/Evols/other and being scared to make a move while thinking "Will he negate my card?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citrine Serpent Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 [quote name='Koloktos' timestamp='1343138658' post='5987486'] Rabbit is the obvious offender. Anyone who says it is the Evolzars obviously are still butthurt from taking a huge anal raping by some random guy using Jurracs/Evols/other and being scared to make a move while thinking "Will he negate my card?". [/quote] This. Hitting the zars too hard will kill evols, in which the zars are fine and the deck is tier 2 at best. Rabbit to 1 leviair to 0 is the best solution IMO, but tgu needs to be hit too and if she goes to 1 hitting leviair would probably be unnecessary. At 1, you can't build a deck around rabbit, and it becomes the great tech for vanillas it was intended to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 If you're looking for a bare minimum of what I'd want done Ban: Dolkka- Dolkka is the main issue I have with the deck. I could tolerate Laggia because, without Dolkka, I'd have more available outs to the deck in general. Hornet Hunter Darkness Metal I'd go further but I like some of the more hilariously broken cards (Tour Guide, Grapha, Miracle Fusion) and wouldn't want to hit them without making more drastic changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1343163432' post='5987873'] If you're looking for a bare minimum of what I'd want done Ban: Dolkka- Dolkka is the main issue I have with the deck. I could tolerate Laggia because, without Dolkka, I'd have more available outs to the deck in general. [/quote] I'm genuinely confused. Dolkka is as good as Laggia, but hating on that Dino specifically is weird. Not to mention, goddamn ban the Rabbit, not the Dinos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1343163634' post='5987876'] I'm genuinely confused. Dolkka is as good as Laggia, but hating on that Dino specifically is weird. Not to mention, goddamn ban the Rabbit, not the Dinos. [/quote] I don't really think Rabbit is all too bad without the Dinos, but come to think of it, it's pretty much similar to Hunter in certain regards. I dislike all of them involved but Rabbit really does potentially open up too many unwanted cans of worms and could easily become more trouble than it's worth. so yeah, scratch that. [size=1]i have the awful feeling this is going to devolve into a chat over my opinion of cards such as Gold Sarco and Lavaval Chain[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 IMO Dolkka on its own is more OPed then Laggia. But since Laggia is at 3, I can see why people would say otherwise. I completely agree with Nightmare's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 If cost killer + costed monster is a problem,you usually hit the problem imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1343164330' post='5987892'] IMO Dolkka on its own is more OPed then Laggia. But since Laggia is at 3, I can see why people would say otherwise. I completely agree with Nightmare's post. [/quote] yeah, detaching a single material+negating most Laggia outs really pushes it over the edge for me. I'm bipolar towards Rabbit as a whole. I'm not really sure what I'd want done against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Normal Summoning a Xyz is wrong. Konami needs to get over their Dragon fetish, REDMD should never have been given the opportunity to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 [quote name='ウォーグレイモン' timestamp='1343132002' post='5987342'] Okay Mr.I'mbetterthaneveryoneelsebecausei'mgoodatachildrenscardgameandiplaycompetetivelysothatdefinetlymakesmebetteramiriteoramirite. I say DNA Surgery cause FHD, and OmniHero spam, Scapegoat supports most fusions that rely on types rather than specific monsters. [/quote] What game are you playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1343164872' post='5987903'] Normal Summoning a Xyz is wrong. Konami needs to get over their Dragon fetish, REDMD should never have been given the opportunity to survive. [/quote] They did it all the time in the show. At least we don't have literal Normal Summoned Exceeds. Also, other than with Rabbit, how easy is it to get out the big bad dinos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1343165071' post='5987909'] They did it all the time in the show. At least we don't have literal Normal Summoned Exceeds. Also, other than with Rabbit, how easy is it to get out the big bad dinos? [/quote] 4 Card Guaiba Engine Hydrogeddon DNA Surgery, though I'm not convinced. That's it, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Also Evo-force on Najasho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 [quote name='Kabasaurus' timestamp='1343165407' post='5987921'] Also Evo-force on Najasho. [/quote] Going for more generic ways that specific ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 The Zars are perfectly balanced bosses without Rabbit. =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 [quote name='Vengevine' timestamp='1343165717' post='5987929'] The Zars are perfectly balanced bosses without Rabbit. =/ [/quote] This. They only became good because Rabbit basically Normal Summons them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc. Posted July 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 >Hyrdrogeddon for banlist WELL THEN, WHY NOT KILL BLACKWINGS WHILE WE'RE AT IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 [quote name='ウォーグレイモン' timestamp='1343172416' post='5988029'] >Hyrdrogeddon for banlist WELL THEN, WHY NOT KILL BLACKWINGS WHILE WE'RE AT IT [/quote] No one said that. Blackwings are already dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 [quote name='ウォーグレイモン' timestamp='1343172416' post='5988029'] >Hyrdrogeddon for banlist WELL THEN, WHY NOT KILL BLACKWINGS WHILE WE'RE AT IT [/quote] I'm tempted to slap you. All that was said was Hydrogeddon was a quick way for a Laggia or Dolkka. Nobody said to ban it. And like Chris said, Blackwings are dead and will remain dead until Kalut, Gale or both get off the list (whirlwind is a no because it's an easy to use floater for Blackwings) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 I could see that Nightmare is definitely butthurt. Very well, since there aren't too many ways to generically summon the Zars outside of lolrabbit, the Zars aren't broken themselves. If you hit the Rabbit, then no one would think that they were bad design anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Well, now that we went through the 9 pages of talking about (what should be) obvious choices, how about we talk about things I have heard mixed feelings on. Monster Reborn (ban) & T.G. Librarian (to 2) Again, just things I've heard people argue about. Also, a favorite topic of mine is the discussion of Thousand-Eyes Restrict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1343174071' post='5988055'] Well, now that we went through the 9 pages of talking about (what should be) obvious choices, how about we talk about things I have heard mixed feelings on. Monster Reborn (ban) & T.G. Librarian (to 2) Again, just things I've heard people argue about. Also, a favorite topic of mine is the discussion of Thousand-Eyes Restrict. [/quote] If anything, T.G. Librarian's going to get banned. =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Librarian doesn't need to be increased. That just begs for Synchro Spam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Pretty sure it'll dodge the list with a rekindling hit or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I feel like Librarian should go to 0 and Formula should go to 2. I just don't feel it's half even half as bad it was without Librarian backing it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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