El Majishan Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 [center][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100725012052/yugioh/images/thumb/4/4e/ColdWaveSDZW-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-ColdWaveSDZW-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img][/center] [center]So lets discuss this card and its effect on the game if its un-banned.[/center] [center]To have a discussion on this card we have to remember that this is not 2008 GB format or 2010 Saber Format.[/center] [center]Back then we didn't have hand traps as a staple in all decks to counter plays, we also still had player priority as well.[/center] [center]So taking these points into account...I would like to know your opinion on the potential impact the return of Cold Wave might have on the game....we are to assume that Heavy Storm would be banned if this card was to return. [/center] [center]GoGoGo YCM[/center] [center]Oh yeah...please [u]DISCUSS[/u]...don't just post "no its broken, derp"[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 OTK enabler. Heiratics. Inzektors. Rabbit into Dolkka. It's abusable period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 Well, from what I remember, it was banned because it was used only for OTKs, and instead of attempting to destroy the cards and allowing your opponent to do something to stop their destruction, it just caused them to not be able to use them. My most recent memories of this card are with Zombie Swarm, where they simply didn't need any spells/traps to pull off their combos, and so they could just drop it and laugh. The one advantage it has over Heavy Storm is that with Heavy you can just set spells/traps after using it, but with this you would also have useless cards on the field. Then again, with this you also don't lose any advantage you might have at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 no its broken, derp Seriously, there's nothing to discuss. It still does nothing except support OTKs, is terribly designed, and punishes the opposing player for simply playing the game with you. Hand Traps don't change a thing about how broken this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 The NPCs in WC11 don't follow the banlist, even though you have to. There is a character in the game who plays 3 Cold Wave and a Giant Trunade in his deck. This character shows why those cards are on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1343265049' post='5988992'] [center]Oh yeah...please [/center][u]DISCUSS[/u][center]...don't just post "no its broken, derp"[/center] [/quote] [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1343265482' post='5988996'] no its broken, derp [/quote] /thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted July 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 I'm not arguing that its not broken, it clearly is. But with the current state of the meta...how would this affect that game? With everyone maining 3 Veiler...stopping a big play is easier than it was back in the day. Lets say your opponent plays Wave and summons TGU/Rabbit you Veiler it they just went -1 and they cant protect themselves. Now take that same play but in place of Wave he uses Storm...even though you Veiler their play..they can still set protection to try and get their play off next turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1343266715' post='5989004'] I'm not arguing that its not broken, it clearly is. But with the current state of the meta...how would this affect that game? [/quote] Suddenly Veiler becomes the ONLY out rather than AN out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 Veiler doesn't stop every play and you don't always have Veiler. "no it's broken, derp" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted July 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 [quote name='Vengevine' timestamp='1343266835' post='5989007'] Veiler doesn't stop every play and you don't always have Veiler. "no it's broken, derp" [/quote] You don't always have a lot off cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1343267073' post='5989010'] You don't always have a lot off cards. [/quote] You don't always have this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted July 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 [center][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L6obk5oZZU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L6obk5oZZU[/url][/center] [center]Found this on youtube.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 I used to run this in several OTK decks. Yes, I know, I play OTKs, I'm a terrible human being... It's a good thing that Hieratics don't have this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 [quote name='EmpoleMew' timestamp='1343265581' post='5988997'] The NPCs in WC11 don't follow the banlist, even though you have to.[/quote] No, only the player is required to follow the list, provided, you actually want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted July 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 [center]Also found this[/center] [center][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvrAV97o8k4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvrAV97o8k4[/url][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raine Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 9 year old me: *opens pack* AH! Another Cold Wave? Trash! *tosses in corner* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 [quote name='Raine™ vi Britannia' timestamp='1343270203' post='5989053'] 9 year old me: *opens pack* AH! Another Cold Wave? Trash! *tosses in corner* [/quote] I still have a Cold Wave in my "Cards I can't use" pile with bird poop on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 I don't see why we're discussing what a card would be like if unbanned when everyone agrees that it's broken as f*ck and should never come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted July 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 The point of the discussion is to get the opinion of members on how the meta change would IF it came back. I also posted the videos to give you guys a point of view to go off. I am not asking you weather the card should come back or not...I just wanted to get your opinion on how it would affect the game. That is why I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1343279135' post='5989143'] The point of the discussion is to get the opinion of members on how the meta change would IF it came back. I also posted the videos to give you guys a point of view to go off. I am not asking you weather the card should come back or not...I just wanted to get your opinion on how it would affect the game. That is why I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion about it. [/quote] The meta gets even f***ing worse. That's what happens to the meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted July 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 [quote name='Kanade Otonashi' timestamp='1343279381' post='5989145'] The meta gets even f***ing worse. That's what happens to the meta. [/quote] Give reasons to support your argument...thats what a discussion is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazooie Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1343279639' post='5989146'] Give reasons to support your argument...thats what a discussion is.... [/quote] Everyone already agreed the card is horrendous. Why do you feel the need to discuss it? The card does NOTHING but promote one turn killing. It's terrible design and I played before this got banned and I was so pissed when it got played THEN. It would be 1000 times WORSE now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1343279639' post='5989146'] Give reasons to support your argument...thats what a discussion is.... [/quote]You even said it was broken. It lets people OTK without worrying about Torrential, Solemn Warning, Judgment, Book, Chalice, Lance, Bottomless, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted July 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 It was banned before the era of hand traps and no prio, the game has evolved passed 2008-2010, we do not play the same game as we did back then. The only decks that can abuse this are OTK decks and they should not be allowed to exist in the first place. So with that in mind...is Cold Wave the problem or are the decks that OTK under Cold Wave the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1343280512' post='5989152'] It was banned before the era of hand traps and no prio, the game has evolved passed 2008-2010, we do not play the same game as we did back then. The only decks that can abuse this are OTK decks and they should not be allowed to exist in the first place. So with that in mind...is Cold Wave the problem or are the decks that OTK under Cold Wave the problem? [/quote]No prio doesn't change anything. You still can't use any of your spell and trap cards to get anywhere if this is played. Hand Traps existed before Cold Wave was banned. To bring it back because "the format is s*** so people run a lot of hand traps" can't be your argument. It's broken, only enables OTKs, even decks that shouldn't be OTKing, and discourages conservative play, it shouldn't come back. The few formats between its ban and now has not changed a thing about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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