El Majishan Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 [quote name='Tentalus Therapist' timestamp='1343821817' post='5994313'] Honestly, I would. It doesn't do a full shutdown of a mechanic as people make it out to be, and I find it pointless to flip after summoning a boss since the person is already in the state of winning the game. Even if one could Special Summon against the boss/swarmed field/whatever, would it really make a difference in who wins and who loses? [/quote] Yes...it would. Being able to Special Summon is a deciding factor in a game. Even if you get out your boss...I should be able to summon an answer in the form of my own boss or something to run your boss over. But with oppression out, as long as you have the LP I am unable to do that, so you pretty much locked me out of the game with 1 card. And yes...it does shut down a mechanic. Unless I draw S/T removal the card simply lets you decide what I summon for the cost of 800LP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1343833833' post='5994425'] Yes...it would. Being able to Special Summon is a deciding factor in a game. Even if you get out your boss...I should be able to summon an answer in the form of my own boss or something to run your boss over. But with oppression out, as long as you have the LP I am unable to do that, so you pretty much locked me out of the game with 1 card. And yes...it does shut down a mechanic. Unless I draw S/T removal the card simple lets you decide what I summon for the cost of 800. [/quote] Saying Oppression shuts down Special Summoning is like saying that Skill Drain shuts down Monster Effects. Besides, one should have more answers than to just play your own boss. It seems like I have a different variation of "The Truth" than everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 [quote name='Tentalus Therapist' timestamp='1343834099' post='5994427'] Saying Oppression shuts down Special Summoning is like saying that Skill Drain shuts down Monster Effects. Besides, one should have more answers than to just play your own boss. It seems like I have a different variation of "The Truth" than everyone else. [/quote] But Skill Drain does shut down monster effects that are active on the field...so you don't get your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1343834345' post='5994430'] But Skill Drain does shut down monster effects that are active on the field...so you don't get your point. [/quote] You missed the point. The point is, if a card that shuts down another mechanic (A card I personally hate more than Oppression) is still in the game @3, shouldn't Royal Oppression be given the chance to be limited for 1 format (at least)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 [quote name='Tentalus Therapist' timestamp='1343843076' post='5994551'] You missed the point. The point is, if a card that shuts down another mechanic (A card I personally hate more than Oppression) is still in the game @3, shouldn't Royal Oppression be given the chance to be limited for 1 format (at least)? [/quote] Skill Drain [i]shouldn't [/i]be at 3, though. It's not good design at all and can single-handedly win games. Royal Oppression shouldn't be around at all. It says "Screw you" to the very mechanic that marks the appeal of the game, its speed, for literally no reason. It just seals wins and is almost never used in its true anti-meta purpose when it's around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1343843257' post='5994554'] Royal Oppression shouldn't be around at all. It says "Screw you" to the very mechanic that marks the appeal of the game, its speed, for literally no reason. It just seals wins and is almost never used in its true anti-meta purpose when it's around. [/quote] This has made THE most sense of an argument against Oppression. Just noting that. The card would shy away Newcomers to the game, which will create a collapse on the gamestate and the entire TCG/OCG, which will cause the game to literally be dead (that is what I interpret here). To be frank, I see the point and I actually do concur with it. I don't want to de-rail the topic, but Skill Drain must go to 1 (if not 0). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 The thing about Skill Drain, though, is that both sides are likely to be equally hurt. You can't drop something and then go Skill Drain, expecting to win because of it. There's a ton of ways around it, as opposed to the very few for Oppression. I love Oppression, but it's a good card that is too easy to abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Milenko Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Oppression is way broken. Honestly, want it fixed? Try "Special Summoned monsters with 2500 ATK, 3000 ATK, level 7, level 8, Special Summoned non-Synchro/Xyz monster", stuff like that. It would take care of the boss thing without shutting down the whole mechanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1343843257' post='5994554'] Skill Drain [i]shouldn't [/i]be at 3, though. It's not good design at all and can single-handedly win games. Royal Oppression shouldn't be around at all. It says "Screw you" to the very mechanic that marks the appeal of the game, its speed, for literally no reason. It just seals wins and is almost never used in its true anti-meta purpose when it's around. [/quote] This. Skill Drain has no reason to at be 3...sure it requires more some kind of deck dedication....but it wins too many games on its own.[quote name='Tentalus Therapist' timestamp='1343843745' post='5994559'] This has made THE most sense of an argument against Oppression. Just noting that. [/quote] But that is what every one has been saying all long... its not used for its intended anti-meta purpose, it shuts down a key game mechanic, and gives you a win because it locks the opponent out of the game. Yuzuru just added "it makes the game not fun" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Oppression is banned for the exact same reasons Imperial Order was. Shutting down a main game mechanic. The only reason Decree is still around is because it's pretty much the only trap you can run in a deck that runs it. Which hurts quite a few decks outside of Countdown, which doesnt run it I think, and shouldnt exist anyway, and uhm...what other decks run Decree? Inzektors? No wait, they run Safe Zone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Actually, Imperial Order was extremely unthought about during design, because it could be used to negate a Spell on your opponent's turn, keep them from using others, then you could keep it as long as you wanted to, only to stop its effect when you wanted to go off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 lol comparing Royal Oppression to Imperial Order, the best Trap card in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1343852970' post='5994694'] But that is what every one has been saying all long... its not used for its intended anti-meta purpose, it shuts down a key game mechanic, and gives you a win because it locks the opponent out of the game. Yuzuru just added "it makes the game not fun" [/quote] That is just it. Everyone just says that it simply creates a lock-out of a game mechanic. Simple enough. But if it goes against what little the game has to offer to people, then that is a different story. You really didn't explain it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 [quote name='Tentalus Therapist' timestamp='1343853826' post='5994709'] That is just it. Everyone just says that it simply creates a lock-out of a game mechanic. Simple enough. But if it goes against what little the game has to offer to people, then that is a different story. You really didn't explain it that way. [/quote] Did you even play when Oppression was everywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1343853914' post='5994710'] Did you even play when Oppression was everywhere? [/quote] Yep. I found Skill Drain worse on myself in that time tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 [quote name='Tentalus Therapist' timestamp='1343854015' post='5994711'] Yep. I found Skill Drain worse on myself in that time tbh. [/quote] ... ._. So, Scrap Dragon + Oppression or Shi En + Oppression or... anything big + Oppression must have never even happened against you. It was f***ing retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Two reasons why I never want this back: Comeback potential is one of my favorite things about this game and so easily making that potential so difficult to achieve is unacceptable to me. Someone should never have a game won before they actually win the game. and Constantly negating an entire gameplay mechanic is dumb. this is probably one of my most hated cards overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1343854113' post='5994714'] ... ._. So, Scrap Dragon + Oppression or Shi En + Oppression or... anything big + Oppression must have never even happened against you. It was f***ing retarded. [/quote] I was on YGN at the time, and when anyone used Oppression on me, I won 9/10ths of the time whereas Skill Drain made me autolose if I encountered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1343845587' post='5994581'] The thing about Skill Drain, though, is that both sides are likely to be equally hurt. You can't drop something and then go Skill Drain, expecting to win because of it. There's a ton of ways around it, as opposed to the very few for Oppression. I love Oppression, but it's a good card that is too easy to abuse. [/quote] Skill Drain doesn't hurt you back, if it does you're doing it wrong. That's like running Royal Decree, while running 10+ traps. You make your deck around Skill Drain, and proceed to laugh when you're virtually unaffected by the effect of Skill Drain, while your opponent is completely crippled by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 [quote name='Wizarus' timestamp='1343864142' post='5994877'] Skill Drain doesn't hurt you back, if it does you're doing it wrong. That's like running Royal Decree, while running 10+ traps. You make your deck around Skill Drain, and proceed to laugh when you're virtually unaffected by the effect of Skill Drain, while your opponent is completely crippled by it. [/quote] That's my point, though. You have to build a whole deck around it, and the deck is not only 70% useless without it, it's also usually bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1343874107' post='5995014'] That's my point, though. You have to build a whole deck around it, and the deck is not only 70% useless without it, it's also usually bad. [/quote] Dark Worlds say this is bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranma1/2 Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 this + skill drain + imperial order yeah, if that ever existed (which i'm glad it will never happen), i'm quitting the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1343874211' post='5995015'] Dark Worlds say this is bull. [/quote] "Usually" is the key word in what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Moonflowyr Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1343874107' post='5995014'] That's my point, though. You have to build a whole deck around it, and the deck is not only 70% useless without it, it's also usually bad. [/quote]Gemini HERO would also like to point out that your statement is untrue. Just saying. OT: Pointless thread. Card is broken. Never coming back, although Konami brought BLS back, so what do I know. Therefore, discussion is pointless. It's turning into a Skill Drain thread anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1343875311' post='5995030'] "Usually" is the key word in what I said. [/quote] HEROs Malefics Skill Drain doesn't need it's own deck, there are plenty now that can use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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