ITT: Dem tries to make a banlist

[Dementuo]

Going for a better next format rather than predicting what Konami might do. I might be doing this wrong, idk. Just give it a read over and tell me what you think.

[b][u]Banned:[/u][/b]
Elemental HERO Stratos
Wind-Up Hunter
Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
Future Fusion

[b][u]Limited:[/u][/b]
Inzektor Dragonfly
Rescue Rabbit
Tsukuyomi
Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
Six Samurai United
Super Polymerization

[b][u]Semi-Limited:[/u][/b]
Formula Synchron
T.G. Striker
Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow
Mezuki
Book of Moon
Black Whirlwind
Mystical Space Typhoon

[b][u]Newly Unlimited:[/u][/b]
Spore
Summoner Monk
Destiny Draw
Emergency Teleport
Magic Cylinder

[b][u]Reasoning:[/u][/b]
[i]Banned:[/i]
[b]Elemental HERO Stratos:[/b]
HEROs, to put it simply, are an excellent deck that just has a little too much support. They already have 3 Emergency Call and 1 RotA, meaning they have an extremely high chance of dropping Stratos turn 1. Stratos also allows for instant Miracle Fusion setup with either Alius or Bubbleman, meaning dropping a 3200 floater or a Raigeki on legs is possible from turn 2. The alternative is to hit Miracle Fusion, though I believe HEROs are better off with their key topdeck rather than their generic search monster. They don't need to be hit very hard, they only need a small push.

[b]Wind-Up Hunter:[/b]
The Wind-Up loop should not exist. This is the only reason to put this card anywhere on the list.

[b]Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning:[/b]
Konami brought it back for a format or two, but it still is causing too much damage for it to stay limited. This should return to the Banned list where it belongs.

[b]Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier:[/b]
It's a terrible card design, plain and simple. Despite being in an Xyz era currently, Brionac still lingers as a horrendous beast that can turn a game around single-handedly. It's just too powerful.

[b]Future Fusion:[/b]
Chaos Dragons have this as a practical win condition. 99% of the time, Multi-Foolishes are bad in design, and this is no exception.

[i]Limited[/i][i]:[/i]
[b]Inzektor Dragonfly:[/b]
Dragonfly, to me, is the true problem with Inzektors. It allows for horrendous OTKs with either Sword or Mantis, and also allows for idiotic swarming potential with Hornet alone. Putting this to 1 reduces the deck's swarm potential, whilst also preventing them from preforming the Inzektor pseudo-loop over again.

[b]Rescue Rabbit:[/b]
Dino Rabbit is arguably the best deck in the format right now. One card Xyz are never good design, either being too over or underpowered. I say to Limit it to put a true hit on the deck without killing it.

[b]Tsukuyomi:[/b]
It doesn't deserve to be banned now that Goat Control is completely gone. In a slower format, the card is better and isn't quite so splashable. Bring it back for a format and see what happens.

[b]Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon:[/b]
With both Hieratics and Chaos Dragons making use and abuse of this thing, it needs to go. Dropping it to 2 does absolutely nothing to Chaos Dragons, and leaves Gustaph still viable.

[b]Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier:[/b]
In the previous Synchro format with TGs and Plant Synchro, this was far easier to make. Now that those decks have lost their luster, it's trickier to bring this out, and the effect isn't quite so devastating. This doesn't need to be banned and could come to 1 for a format or two.

[b]Six Samurai United:[/b]
It rewards you for dropping half your hand in one turn. It's terrible by design, as Samurai have numerous ways of dropping half a dozen monsters in a single turn. It deserves to be hit.

[b]Super Polymerization:[/b]
This is basically an impossible-to-stop out to any monster with the release of Escur, making HEROs even more of a threat. No matter the monster, HEROs can fuse with it and drop a boss monster of their own while depriving the opponent of resources. Just like Inzektors, it punishes the opponent for playing monsters.

[i]Semi-Limited:[/i]
[b]Formula Synchro:[/b]
Perhaps it deserved the limit before, though I see this as something like Smoke Signal. It needed the hit at the time it got it, but can be taken down on the list due to the change in format. I honestly see no reason that this can't go to two.

[b]T.G. Striker:[/b]
Same as Formula.

[b]Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow:[/b]
Blackwings truly do need a boost. They honestly deserve to return as a competitive deck. Perhaps not tier 1, though tier 2-1.5 would be nice.

[b]Mezuki:[/b]
Zombies are hardly good anymore. This could come to 2 with no harm on the game whatsoever.

[b]Book of Moon:[/b]
The apitomy of perfect card design. It has been called the "Swiss-Army Knife of Yugioh", and rightfully so. It acts as a temporary answer to many different situations, something that is healthy for the game.

[b]Black Whirlwind:[/b]
Just like Kalut, Blackwings deserve a boost.

[b]Mystical Space Typhoon:[/b]
Mainly the third is just sided, though a few decks main 3. I feel that 3 is too many, as it creates a paradox of "If I set 1 backrow, it gets MST'd. If I set more backrow, it gets Heavy'd". I feel that 1 is too few, as backrow destruction is also healthy for the game, just not quite in such a large quantity.

[i]Newly Unlimited:[/i]
[b]Summoner Monk:[/b]
Promotion of Xyz if anything else. It doesn't really need a Semi-Limit at this point.

[b]Destiny Draw:[/b]
Why not? Diamond Dude Turbo works fine as a deck without being overpowered and could do with a nice boost without becoming broken.

[b]Emergency Teleport:[/b]
As long as Mind Master is gone, this is a safe card.

[b]Magic Cylinder:[/b]
I see absolutely no reason to leave this on the list any longer.

[Althemia]

It's a shame that Lavals remain untouched.

Also, Trish shouldn't come back tbph. Either way you look at it, decks like Infernity will still exist to smash your opponent's advantage. That and Trishula really isn't balanced. Considering how you didn't hit Lavals as well...

MST is mained @3 in quite a fair amount of decks this format because of the fact that it's healthy for the game. Having it at anything but 3 just seems incredibly silly.

[Lonk]

I'm disappointed by your lack of REDMD on the list. Even with FuFu banned, Chaos Dragons will still have another format of being Tier 1 just because you didn't hit them much.

Also, Dragonfly is balanced without Hornet.

[Dementuo]

[quote name='Tentalus Therapist' timestamp='1343868458' post='5994928']
I'm disappointed by your lack of REDMD on the list. Even with FuFu banned, Chaos Dragons will still have another format of being Tier 1 just because you didn't hit them much.

Also, Dragonfly is balanced without Hornet.
[/quote]
...I'm facepalming right now. I can't believe I forgot REDMD.

[Agro]

[quote name='Dementuo' timestamp='1343868507' post='5994931']

...I'm facepalming right now. I can't believe I forgot REDMD.
[/quote]But I can, Demmy. I can.

[Lonk]

[quote name='Agro' timestamp='1343869243' post='5994942']
But I can, Demmy. I can.
[/quote]

Of course you would...

[Blake]

CTRL + F: Gaia Not Found

???

Trish shouldn't come back. It may only transfer advantage, but that transfer can be clutch when it's in the form of a 2700 beater.

If it's ideal Lavals and Gishkis need a check as well as Atlanteans.

Hornet is most definitely the problem. Dragonfly is in no way good design, but she's not the problem with the deck. For an ideal of the next banlist, you shouldn't be hitting her when Hornet exists.

Kalut and Whirlwind to 2? Are you insane? No, you do NOT need to give the deck a free search for exactly what they want when they want it, and giving them an honest is stupid. If anything, gale to 2, Whirlwind still @1, and kalut to 0. A quick +1400 is a lot worse than an ignition that halves then becomes material.

Mezuki doesn't need to move up, at all. It's awful design that should never come back up.


idgi, why does everyone hate ST destruction?

E-Tele doesn't deserve to come back any more, it's a free summon from the deck. 141 is still busted, even without great targets.

You know, I'm just gonna abridge this.

You say you're making an ideal list, but then you bring a lot of terribly designed cards UP from where they are. That is completely counter intuitive. Nothing inherently deserves a boost/to be competitive. You also missed a few cards, and some of your choices are just wtf.

EDIT: Wait wtf you hit United and ignored Gateway? ._.

[Wildflame]

Both Kalut and Whirlwind might be a little too much. Any thoughts on TGU?

Eh, overall decent list I guess, at least you are not hitting unnecesary stuff (except maybe Super Poly).

[Toffee.]

E-Tele@3 would be interesting again.
Also, personally, I think Centipede is worse then Dragonfly, but ehh....

[Agro]

[quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1343881846' post='5995140']
E-Tele@3 would be interesting again.
Also, personally, I think Centipede is worse then Dragonfly, but ehh....
[/quote]Its not worse, it just gives Inzektors their consistency.

[Toffee.]

[quote name='Agro' timestamp='1343881891' post='5995142']
Its not worse, it just gives Inzektors their consistency.[/quote]
No, its just.... Centipiede can grab other copies of itself.
Dragonfly cant.

[Durandamon]

Well, you are missing one dude.
[b][color=#2f4f4f][size=4]SEMI-LIMIT[/size][/color][/b]
[b][color=#006400][size=5]FREAKING[/size][/color][/b]
[b][color=#008000][size=7]AGENT[/size][/color][/b]
[b][color=#00ff00][size=7][size=8]EARTH[/size][/size][/color][/b]
That'd help Agents a lot, without overpowering 'em. Earth at 3 is too much, but at 1 the deck is unplayable. 2 seems fine, right?

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

If an entire deck can't function without 1 card, then it deserves to die anyways.

[Legend Zero]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1343884630' post='5995164']
If an entire deck can't function without 1 card, then it deserves to die anyways.
[/quote]
Its their searcher....how can a deck function in the meta if they take its speed away completely?

[mido9]

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1343870897' post='5994964']
E-Tele doesn't deserve to come back any more, it's a free summon from the deck. 141 is still busted, even without great targets.
[/quote]
You lose two cards and a lot of consistency for a -1 synchro/xyz,why would that be busted?

[Expelsword]

[quote][b]Book of Moon:[/b]
The apitomy of perfect card design.[/quote]
I took you seriously until right here.

I'd start with hitting Emergency Call before Stratos.


[quote name='mido9' timestamp='1343912715' post='5995290']
You lose two cards and a lot of consistency for a -1 synchro/xyz,why would that be busted?
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure Emergency Teleport was one half of the strongest deck [i]ever to exist.[/i]

[newhat]

Nobody used Destiny Draw in Exodia FTK? I did.

[Blake]

[quote name='mido9' timestamp='1343912715' post='5995290']
You lose two cards and a lot of consistency for a -1 synchro/xyz,why would that be busted?
[/quote]
In what universe is a RotA that calls straight from the deck remotely balanced?

Or do you mean One for One, which basically depends on the good Level 1s out, and is terrible design as such.

EDIT: lolcalls

[mido9]

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1343928078' post='5995404']
In what universe is a RotA that calls straight from the deck remotely balanced?
[/quote]
When any play done by it is balanced.

[Blake]

[quote name='mido9' timestamp='1343930171' post='5995427']
When any play done by it is balanced.
[/quote]
No, it's never balanced, especially when it's a quickplay. Learn to card design =/

[.Rai]

A lot of it is fine; then a lot of it is just weird.

> Kalut at 2. Wut. It's an awfully designed hand trap that really deserves to be at 0.
> Also, why on earth put a +0 from the deck at 3? E-Teleport's fine where it is :/
> Awks, hitting on MST for no reason.
> Awks, putting Magic Cylinder at 3. Obviously no-one will use it at 3, but it's goddamn annoying design that should be at 0.
> Triple awks putting Trishula at 1 again. My god, put it back down to 0.

Interesting on Dragonfly, but I'm pretty sure Hornet is still the problem.

[mido9]

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1343930299' post='5995431']
No, it's never balanced, especially when it's a quickplay. Learn to card design =/
[/quote]
It makes -1 synchros and xyz and needs you to lose a lot of consistency to get them,and if you keep the monster on the field to make it a real +0 the best you can grab might be krebons. Nothing poorly designed about that.

[Blake]

[quote name='mido9' timestamp='1343932012' post='5995459']
It makes -1 synchros and xyz and needs you to lose a lot of consistency to get them,and if you keep the monster on the field to make it a real +0 the best you can grab might be krebons. Nothing poorly designed about that.
[/quote]
It's a free monster from the deck when you want it. By the logic of "It makes -1 Synchro/Xyz", RotA should be at 3. You don't lose consistency by running 3 free grabs from the deck, are you daft?

[.Rai]

[quote name='mido9' timestamp='1343932012' post='5995459']
It makes -1 synchros and xyz and needs you to lose a lot of consistency to get them,and if you keep the monster on the field to make it a real +0 the best you can grab might be krebons. Nothing poorly designed about that.
[/quote]

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1343932117' post='5995460']
By the logic of "It makes -1 Synchro/Xyz", RotA should be at 3.
[/quote]

Summed it up.

[mido9]

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1343932117' post='5995460']
It's a free monster from the deck when you want it. By the logic of "It makes -1 Synchro/Xyz", RotA should be at 3. You don't lose consistency by running 3 free grabs from the deck, are you daft?
[/quote]Rota would be at 3 if six samurai didnt have DEST,SSU,or gateway and heroes didnt have stratos,since then it would actually MAKE -1 synchros and xyzes,which it doesnt now and everyone knows it,and few of the things ROTA grabs clog as much as psychics.