Sander Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 [quote name='-Doodle' timestamp='1345063169' post='6007473'] What made reasoning be banned in the first place? I it that good? [/quote] Reasoning was never banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1345063290' post='6007475'] Essentially, you play filler spell cards and the biggest bosses you find, then Spam the field with them and OTK. Same thing goes for Monster Gate. Very bad for the game. [/quote]Shut up. DDT is gonna be my deck this format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Um, duality @2 at least makes sense. Duality: Fine Cardcar: Fine Duality + Cardcar: Not Fine They could hit Cardcar, which I feel is the better choice, but it's worse for business. Everyone has dualities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 People keep saying DDT and teledad like they'd actually be good this format.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark_ Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 List just makes Dino Rabbit the undisputed top deck by destroying the other Tier 1 decks. Anyone who says this is a good list must really enjoy the prospective of a Dino Rabbit 2.0 format. And no, Dino Rabbit with 2 Rabbits and 2 Guides is still miles better than Atlanteans, Lavals, Gishkis etc. tl;dr It's a horrible list with stupid limits that looks like some random user's wishlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Doodle Posted August 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1345063376' post='6007477'] Reasoning was never banned. [/quote] meant limited :S so only two days til' something is confirmed...all we have to do is just wait...[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1345063376' post='6007477'] Reasoning was never banned. [/quote] meant limited :S so only two days til' something is confirmed...all we have to do is just wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 I like how people talk like they know how formats will turn out like they've ever been right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 [quote name='Shark_' timestamp='1345065172' post='6007512'] List just makes Dino Rabbit the undisputed top deck by destroying the other Tier 1 decks. Anyone who says this is a good list must really enjoy the prospective of a Dino Rabbit 2.0 format. And no, Dino Rabbit with 2 Rabbits and 2 Guides is still miles better than Atlanteans, Lavals, Gishkis etc. tl;dr It's a horrible list with stupid limits that looks like some random user's wishlist. [/quote] Dino Rabbit sucks under this list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark_ Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 No. Tell me one deck that is better than Dino Rabbit under this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 [quote name='Shark_' timestamp='1345065396' post='6007516'] No. Tell me one deck that can beat Dino Rabbit under this list. [/quote]Dark World or HEROs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Dino Rabbit loses to itself it's really inconsistent as shown by, you know, actual testing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 [quote name='Shark_' timestamp='1345065396' post='6007516'] No. Tell me one deck that can beat Dino Rabbit under this list. [/quote] Heroes. Ninja'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark_ Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 [quote name='βyakk' timestamp='1345065531' post='6007519'] Dino Rabbit loses to itself it's really inconsistent as shown by, you know, actual testing [/quote] So, you know, maybe we should do this "actual testing"? On DN maybe? With the deck you're so sure is better than Dino Rabbit under this list? And by reading your previous opinions on various cards, sorry but, your testing is not relevant at all since you're actually pretty bad at this game and without a clue on how the meta works too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Doodle Posted August 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 --ignore-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 [quote name='Shark_' timestamp='1345065747' post='6007523'] So, you know, maybe we should do this "actual testing"? On DN maybe? With the deck you're so sure is better than Dino Rabbit under this list? And by reading your previous opinions on various cards, sorry but, your testing is not relevant at all since you're actually pretty bad at this game and without a clue on how the meta works too. [/quote] How do you know that they haven't tested it? Have you watched every game they've played? Have you been stalking them for hours? No, so don't act like you know everything please. OT: Dino rabbit has been hit, without a doubt, and maybe its killed the consitecny, maybe not. All i know is, they will no longer be as powerful, since they have less chance of getting all the playing pieces. Even with the searching of sarcopagus and Leviar. The probabily of drawing any of those cards to start the combo has now decreased , making the deck statistically worse. Whether that is in practice or not, time and testing well tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 So is this the list or is it still not officially Konami official? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark_ Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 And so? The only competition it would have under this unconfirmed list would be HEROs. The other Tier 1 deck got neutered. Dark Worlds just aren't consistent enough and autolose Game 2 and 3. The other decks that are Tier 2 right now will not suddenly be great and able to oppose Dino Rabbit, who in the end just got a slap on the wrist by this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 [quote name='Shark_' timestamp='1345065747' post='6007523'] So, you know, maybe we should do this "actual testing"? On DN maybe? With the deck you're so sure is better than Dino Rabbit under this list? And by reading your previous opinions on various cards, sorry but, your testing is not relevant at all since you're actually pretty bad at this game and without a clue on how the meta works too. [/quote] I'm glad you assume that I'm bad at this game. The chances of you opening Rabbit have dropped down to about 28%. The primary reason the deck is so good is because it consistently dropped Rabbit early game and set up Solemn Judgment + Protection. The chances of opening Rabbit -> TGU is also lower than what it used to be. Without such solid chances you end up opening Rabbit a lot less and your game plan becomes protect the f*** out of your Dinosaurs. While it's still a viable strategy, the deck becomes a lot weaker by having a smaller chance of opening into an extremely favorable gamestate. Not to mention HEROes and Dark World are decks, and Chaos Dragon is still a strong deck that can make the deck die out fast if they can't get an Evolzar out before they get their beaters out. Agents are also a potential choice and have access to Hyperion/Kristya, but they haven't shown much promise. I've tested the deck myself and I've seen my friend test it (and lose to 1 Zenmaity Wind-Ups even), along with a bunch of other viable options this format. I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 [quote name='Shark_' timestamp='1345066429' post='6007549'] And so? The only competition it would have under this unconfirmed list would be HEROs. The other Tier 1 deck got neutered. Dark Worlds just aren't consistent enough and autolose Game 2 and 3. The other decks that are Tier 2 right now will not suddenly be great and able to oppose Dino Rabbit, who in the end just got a slap on the wrist by this list. [/quote] I'm fairly certain the tiers change regulallarly... Whenever the next comes out, cards will come out that will change things, and probably make rabbit a fairly lousy deck or not. but still, the game evolves, and decks die out. Rabbit will eventually become one of those. No one deck constantly dominates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 At least not the current build, anyways. It could be possible to have a less-Rabbit-centered build top locals once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Eh, may as well run through this one, too. [quote name='-Doodle' timestamp='1344688651' post='6003932'] Banned: Future Fusion [b]Good.[/b] Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier [b]Good[/b] Limited: Inzektor Hornet [b]Better than only hitting Centipede like the other list said.[/b] Inzektor Dragonfly [b]MUCH better than only hitting Centipede. Dragonfly is one of the biggest issues, alongside Hornet, so them both being hit does solid damage. Maybe a little too much, but it just means that Ladybug will be bigger.[/b] Chaos Sorcerer [b]Sure.[/b] Ultimate Offering [b]Sure.[/b] Spore [b]Sure.[/b] Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity [b]Good[/b] Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon [b]Good[/b] Tsukuyomi [b]Ehhh...I dont care.[/b] Evigishki Gustkraken [b]Are Gishkis doing that well?[/b] Semi-Limited: Mirror Force [b]I...guess.[/b] Hieratic Seal of Convocation [b]Why? Does this even...oh wait, this is the searching Spell, right? Good, but Limited is better.[/b] The Agent of Mystery - Earth [b]Sure, give Agents a little break.[/b] Reasoning [b]Okay...[/b] Rescue Rabbit [b]Wont hurt my Deck a bit.[/b] Tour Guide From the Underworld [b]Sure..interesting.[/b] E - Emergency Call [b]Again, why Semi'd? Most generic search Spells get Limited.[/b] A Hero Lives [b]This wont do a thing.[/b] Pot of Duality [b]Sure.[/b] Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow [b]Ew.[/b] Debris Dragon [b]This just keeps jumping all over the place.[/b] Unlimited: Level Limit - Area B [b]Ugh, fine[/b] Magic Cylinder [b]Ugh..Chain Burn.[/b] Emergency Teleport [b]This was still on the list?[/b] Marshmallon [b]Ugh.[/b] Swords of Revealing Light [b]Why are so many stall cards coming back?[/b] Necro Gardna [b]Yay for Lightsworn, I guess. They got most of their old powers back.[/b] Destiny Draw [b]I have no idea what to think.[/b] [/quote] The unlimited section seems terrible, the rest seems okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1345073216' post='6007651'] The unlimited section seems terrible, the rest seems okay. [/quote]Responding to Gustkraken: Gishki Hieratics were topping events in the OCG. They're a fast, fairly consistent hand loop deck that, if that doesn't work, will just OTK you. Without Gustkraken, they take away both of that from the deck before it even hits the TCG. Basically, Hunter was a problem, this @3 was also a problem. Responding to Semi-limiting Searchers: They tested out limiting Smoke Signal and brought it back to 2, I'm assuming that they're going to test the opposite way now. Responding to Reasoning: Use it in your GEPD deck. Cept they'll always guess 8... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1345080264' post='6007780'] Responding to Reasoning: Use it in your GEPD deck. Cept they'll always guess 8... [/quote] Real pros choose 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 [quote]From 2ch lol: When we will stop the trolling TCG anyone, do they make the news Satoshi was bullshit? I was reading the web site of the grounds of the Duelist, they are the mother of some f***ing morons. [/quote] Google translated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 [quote name='βyakk' timestamp='1345087392' post='6007844'] Google translated [/quote] Implying the list isn't real or...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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