I hate OTKs. You hate OTKs. Who doesn't hate OTKs? Everybody hates OTKs. This card stops them :P

[thekazu4u]

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1 Tuner + 1 or more Non-Tuner Monsters
If this card is used as a Synchro Material Monster, it can be treated as a Tuner monster. This card cannot be removed from your Graveyard except by its own effect. During your opponent's turn: You can banish this card from your Graveyard; negate 1 attack from a monster your opponent controls and end the Battle Phase.

-Played random deck testing next banlist.
-Am topdecking, opponent kills Dandylion.
-Topdeck a plaguespreader
-Rage that there isn't any generic level 3 synchro
-Creates this to stop OTKs.

Comments?

[DARKPLANT RISING]

-Only Tuner used in the format outside Karakuris and Lavals is Veiler
-Veiler is never normal summoned. Karakuris and Lavaks would run this in your dreams
-Just f***ing use Battle Fader if your deck utilizes Synchros
-Summon Formula instead. If that draw doesn't win you the duel, you're bad
-Can't stop Quasar

tl;dr terribly underpowered and will never be used. The problem is that if you make something like another Battle Fader, that'll make Final Countdown Tier 0 (when it's already Tier 1) which would make everyone stary playing Vanguard. Actually, I'm already interested in Vanguard, and any more pushing would make me go for it without hesitation.

If you don't want to get OTK'ed, there are two ways to go. One is to OTK your opponent before he OTKs you. The other, more peaceful solution is to use Frognarchs or some other anti-OTK deck (or Final Countdown and such, but that's only for retards).

Battle Fader is generic enough anti-OTK material, and it's not a good idea to ask for more. So, trash the idea of generic stall cards. It's infinitely better to make a stall card that can be ran in a particular deck you like that gets easily OTK'ed due to lack of defense, but can't be used in Countdown.

[thekazu4u]

So because it is a synchro, and tuners aren't played as often as they were, it is somehow bad designed.

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No. It isn't generic, so all your hatred of generic stall cards doesn't apply. It is tuner-specific. As you said yourself, that isn't generic. Furthermore, since Spore is coming back and there are literally no other level 3 synchros, I can imagine it would get some play. And the fact that you think Final Countdown is tier 1 is funny.

[Bobbyman46]

Can't stop Exodia or Electrum Fenix OTK

[I Hate Snatch Steal]

[quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1345137407' post='6008268']
So because it is a synchro, and tuners aren't played as often as they were, it is somehow bad designed.

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No. It isn't generic, so all your hatred of generic stall cards doesn't apply. It is tuner-specific. As you said yourself, that isn't generic. Furthermore, since Spore is coming back and there are literally no other level 3 synchros, I can imagine it would get some play. And the fact that you think Final Countdown is tier 1 is funny.
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[u]Since final count down synchroing seems unlikley, the follwing rant is not directed at your card.[/u]

As to your comment about FC being tier 1...

Have you ever even played against final count down? Next to FTKs, its the most frustrating deck to play against on earth!

I did, with 1 of my CaC decks too (which was chosen for its ability to negate spell and trap cards). He plays final count down 1st turn, and 20 turns later I have not gotten 1 attack off, not even 1!!!

Stall should have to rely on continuous cards to some degree so that its balanced.

/endrant

...Sorry, that's a raw nerve

[u]Back on topic[/u]

This seems like a good idea, and a reason to use tuners more, also I don't think final count down synchros at all. Decent card over all.

[thekazu4u]

[quote name='I Hate Snatch Steal' timestamp='1345143599' post='6008322']
[u]Since final count down synchroing seems unlikley, the follwing rant is not directed at your card.[/u]

As to your comment about FC being tier 1...

Have you ever even played against final count down? Next to FTKs, its the most frustrating deck to play against on earth!

I did, with 1 of my CaC decks too (which was chosen for its ability to negate spell and trap cards). He plays final count down 1st turn, and 20 turns later I have not gotten 1 attack off, not even 1!!!

Stall should have to rely on continuous cards to some degree so that its balanced.

/endrant

...Sorry, that's a raw nerve

[u]Back on topic[/u]

This seems like a good idea, and a reason to use tuners more, also I don't think final count down synchros at all. Decent card over all.
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I have played against Final Countdown. I have played Final Coundown myself
But it is incredibly easy to beat. You just Solemn Warning their Battle Faders, MST during the End Phase and Solemn Warning their trap(s). If they drop more than one Spell/trap, don't MST during the end phase and just blow them up with something only usable on your own turn, they will chain them, but you killed 2+ cards and they only stalled one turn. And then if they set only one you MST during end phase and attack and hopefully win, or at the very least get them to use up their Scarecrow. Wash rinse repeat next turn. Game 2, side in extra MSTs, any continuous burn card, and if you can, Royal Decrees.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Don't say stuff before you know it. Final Countdown constantly tops locals, and even got 4th place in the Junior Rank World Tournament last week. It's f***ing stupid, but also a prominent deck.

Oh, and my arguments were:
-This is far too underpowered to be used right now, so it needs to be fixed
-Problem is, if this is fixed and made generic, it'd support Countdown, so don't do that
-Make it specific on supporting a singular archetype to prevent OTKs. By supporting I mean actually being worth running, unlike right now

So, if you want to support Syncs, how about some Level 7 generic Synchro with 2600 ATK and the same effect. That would make things much better.

And no, as long as Formula exists, Level 3 Syncs, even if they existed, would never see light of day.

[thekazu4u]

[quote name='Bobbyman46' timestamp='1345140356' post='6008304']
Can't stop Exodia or Electrum Fenix OTK
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Those are dedicated decks and have to stall, they aren't so bad. Its stuff like heiratic and just dragon chaos OTKs that are the problem, because they essentially OTK every turn if you don't stop them.


[quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1345158167' post='6008499']
Don't say stuff before you know it. Final Countdown constantly tops locals, and even got 4th place in the Junior Rank World Tournament last week. It's f***ing stupid, but also a prominent deck.

Oh, and my arguments were:
-This is far too underpowered to be used right now, so it needs to be fixed
-Problem is, if this is fixed and made generic, it'd support Countdown, so don't do that
-Make it specific on supporting a singular archetype to prevent OTKs. By supporting I mean actually being worth running, unlike right now

So, if you want to support Syncs, how about some Level 7 generic Synchro with 2600 ATK and the same effect. That would make things much better.

And no, as long as Formula exists, Level 3 Syncs, even if they existed, would never see light of day.
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Tops locals. Sounds badass. I don't even know what the f*** the junior rank world tournament is. And I generally don't make archetype support cards. And I wanted it level 3, because Necro Gardna is level 3. And a level 3 synchro tuner/non-tuner would see use if for no other reason to make shooting quasar and give a middle stepping stone on Plague + token.

Step 1: Learn how to win versus final countdown.
Step 2: Come back and critique my cards.

[Dr. Cakey]

[quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1345166811' post='6008646']
Those are dedicated decks and have to stall, they aren't so bad.[/quote]
Have you ever heard of solitaire? I've heard it's especially fun when two people play.

[quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1345166811' post='6008646']Its stuff like heiratic and just dragon chaos OTKs that are the problem, because they essentially OTK every turn if you don't stop them.[/quote]
Well, yes, they are a problem. And, as Darkplant was trying to explain, this wouldn't help you against them.

[quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1345166811' post='6008646']Tops locals. Sounds badass. I don't even know what the f*** the junior rank world tournament is.[/quote]
Junior rank, generally known as the Dragon Duel, is for players 12 and under. So, yes, lol. But of the Top 8 in the 2012 Dragon Duel, [i]four[/i] ran Inzektors (the others were Chaos Dragons, Hieratics, HERO Beat, and Final Countdown, if I recall correctly). Stiff competition, even if they were adorable widdle kids.

[quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1345166811' post='6008646']
Step 1: Learn how to win versus final countdown.
Step 2: Come back and critique my cards.
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I recommend not antagonizing people who know what they're talking about.

All that aside[i],[/i] the card actually seems handy for a synchrocentric deck. The guardna effect is really just meaningless text - the important parts of the card are that it can be treated as a tuner and that it's [i]Level 3[/i]. That made me happy.

[thekazu4u]

[quote name='Dr. Cakey!!' timestamp='1345168263' post='6008690']
Have you ever heard of solitaire? I've heard it's especially fun when two people play.
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I know. But those decks are usually easy to beat anyway. They simply weren't what I was trying to fix with this card.
[quote]
Well, yes, they are a problem. And, as Darkplant was trying to explain, this wouldn't help you against them.
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Why exactly not?
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Junior rank, generally known as the Dragon Duel, is for players 12 and under. So, yes, lol. But of the Top 8 in the 2012 Dragon Duel, [i]four[/i] ran Inzektors (the others were Chaos Dragons, Hieratics, HERO Beat, and Final Countdown, if I recall correctly). Stiff competition, even if they were adorable widdle kids.
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Okay
[quote]
I recommend not antagonizing people who know what they're talking about.
[/quote]
He is the one antagonizing me saying "don't say stuff before you know it" and then uses his LOCALS as a source. I think he gave me plenty of reason to be pissed at him and /facepalm
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All that aside[i],[/i] the card actually seems handy for a synchrocentric deck. The guardna effect is really just meaningless text - the important parts of the card are that it can be treated as a tuner and that it's [i]Level 3[/i]. That made me happy.
[/quote]
So you don't think that stopping your opponent's entire battle phase is at all useful, especially if you are going to be playing the card any way as a Level 3 tuner/synchro?

[Dr. Cakey]

The short answer is that no, I don't think stopping your opponent's Battle Phase is very useful [i]in the situations you've just discussed[/i]. To a full field of Chaos Dragons there are virtually no outs. That's not to say the card isn't good, but it's not [i]actually[/i] an anti-OTK card.

[thekazu4u]

[quote name='Dr. Cakey!!' timestamp='1345173795' post='6008809']
The short answer is that no, I don't think stopping your opponent's Battle Phase is very useful [i]in the situations you've just discussed[/i]. To a full field of Chaos Dragons there are virtually no outs. That's not to say the card isn't good, but it's not [i]actually[/i] an anti-OTK card.
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Well, there are plenty of times I would not mind an actual turn to play the Dark Hole I have been saving in my hand. The only way to make it more effective is to make it an actual out in and of itself, and if I were to do that people would accuse the card of being too swingy.

[Rehva]

Hey look its kassadin [url="http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Kassadin_the_Void_Walker"]http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Kassadin_the_Void_Walker[/url] .battle fader still better btw.