Agro Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [u][b]Gem-Knights:[/b][/u] Gem-Knight Sanyx [b]Gem-Knight Zirconia[/b] Doublet Fusion [u][b]Lavals:[/b][/u] Laval Phlogis [b]Lavalval Chain Molten Conduction Field[/b] [u][b]Gishki:[/b][/u] [b]Gishki Avance Evigishki Levianima[/b] Gishki's Duplicate Soul Mirror [u][b]Gusto:[/b][/u] [b]Gusto Grif Daigusto Emeral[/b] Gusto Dust [u][b]Constellar:[/b][/u] [b]Constellar Sheratan[/b] Constellar Dabaran [b]Constellar Gredi Constellar Pollux[/b] Constellar Zubeneschamali Constellar Spica [b]Constellar Hyades Constellar Pleiades Star Sign of the Constellar[/b] [u][b]Evilswarm:[/b][/u] [b]Evilswarm Heliotrope[/b] Evilswarm Zahak Evilswarm Ketos Evilswarm Olanta [b]Evilswarm Mandrago[/b] Evilswarm Hraesvelg [b]Evilswarm Bahamut Evilswarm Nightmare Corrosive Contagion Infestation[/b] So yeah, I'm pumped. EDIT: Highlighted all the ones I'm pretty sure lots of people will want. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Daigusto Emeral.... Friggin' love that card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Molten Conduction Field [img]http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Chandler-Dancing-Friends.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Verz Nightmare is fantastic. I haven't checked so I'm guessing Hraesvelg is Flipbird. Gusto Dust can never not be awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1348885501' post='6034271'] [u][b]Gem-Knights:[/b][/u] Gem-Knight Sanyx [b]Gem-Knight Zirconia[/b] Doublet Fusion [u][b]Lavals:[/b][/u] Laval Phlogis [b]Lavalval Chain[/b] Molten Conduction Field [u][b]Gishki:[/b][/u] Gishki Avance Evigishki Levianima Gishki's Duplicate Soul Mirror [u][b]Gusto:[/b][/u] Gusto Grif [b]Daigusto Emeral[/b] Gusto Dust [u][b]Constellar:[/b][/u] Constellar Sheratan Constellar Dabaran Constellar Gredi Constellar Pollux Constellar Zubeneschamali Constellar Spica Constellar Hyades Constellar Pleiades Star Sign of the Constellar [u][b]Evilswarm:[/b][/u] [b]Evilswarm Heliotrope[/b] Evilswarm Zahak Evilswarm Ketos Evilswarm Olanta [b]Evilswarm Mandrago[/b] Evilswarm Hraesvelg [b]Evilswarm Bahamut Evilswarm Nightmare Corrosive Contagion Infestation[/b] [/quote] Bolded the stuff I want, but I still have to wait a few months for Hidden Arsenal 7 to come out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 LEVIANIMA MEANS GISHKIS ARE FINALLY TCG-VIABLE! =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='Dem The Magic Dragon' timestamp='1348922670' post='6034471'] LEVIANIMA MEANS GISHKIS ARE FINALLY TCG-VIABLE! =D [/quote] Do Gishkis even use Levianima in their builds now that Gustkrake is all but gone? It's still outclassed by the Level 8 Soul Ogre in terms of mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Levianima is a risky plusser, Soul Ogre is a solid zero. It really depends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Imho Levianima is better. But if you are playing Level 8 builds you are better running both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='newhat' timestamp='1348929414' post='6034512'] Levianima is a risky plusser, Soul Ogre is a solid zero. It really depends. [/quote] [quote name='Wildflame' timestamp='1348930860' post='6034525'] Imho Levianima is better. But if you are playing Level 8 builds you are better running both of them. [/quote] The whole point of a Gishki Deck is to spam Level 8s, clearing the field by returning monsters to Deck, through the sole use of Soul Ogre. Having 2800 ATK is no small joke, and Gustkrake, for being the Level 6, does the hand rape significantly well. You really don't need Levianima since you're real plusses come from the combined uses of Soul Ogre, Salvage, and even the Ritual Spell. There's no guarantee that you can really plus off of Levianima, since you could be running it into a D-Prison or something else. Also, Mind Augus serves as a better general "tech" than Gustkrake, since everything is so Graveyard-oriented nowadays. Wouldn't it suit you better to stopping Graveyard plays than raping your opponent's hand? I don't really mind players who are running both variants, but, like newhat said, Levianima is risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Levianima is fuckin amazing, what is everyone talking about >> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1348940138' post='6034616'] Levianima is fuckin amazing, what is everyone talking about >> [/quote] it doesn't serve the goal of Gishkis, which is to OTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderVolt Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1348940138' post='6034616'] Levianima is fuckin amazing, what is everyone talking about >> [/quote] This This This. I don't always play Gishkis. but when i do: Levianima Turbo. If i somehow get trolled beyond imagination, i'll make Levianima Turbo irl, otherwise Zirconia and Chain, come to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Emeral in TCG wind ups.. *Shudder* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Gishki's don't need to OTK. Levianima is the best Gishki Ritual after Zeal Gigas. Levianima virtually always +'s. (only time I think of it not plussing is when it gets taken out before it attacks or if it gets fiendish chained) I still don't see why you wouldn't run it over Soul Ogre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Or run both it and Soul Ogre for added draw through trade in? With the recylcing Gishki have the discard is a luaghable cost. Seriously though, why would you call free draws each turn your opponent doesn't have an out a bad thing? OTK doesn't even need to be the goal of sole gishki, they can do control better than most as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guuu1234 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1348940362' post='6034621'] it doesn't serve the goal of Gishkis, which is to OTK. [/quote] This. Is the game really so . . . I don't know, twisted, nowadays that people look for a deck to OTK before anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='guuu1234' timestamp='1348956205' post='6034791'] This. Is the game really so . . . I don't know, twisted, nowadays that people look for a deck to OTK before anything else? [/quote] If you don't OTK or stop your opponents from getting off their OTKs in some way, you're not viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='EmpoleMew' timestamp='1348956426' post='6034793'] If you don't OTK or stop your opponents from getting off their OTKs in some way, you're not viable. [/quote]Gishki's should be able to do something to stop an OTK, shouldn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1348958108' post='6034799'] Gishki's should be able to do something to stop an OTK, shouldn't they? [/quote] If their hand has 3 cards or less is hard for them to OTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 [quote name='Wildflame' timestamp='1348966128' post='6034886'] If their hand has 3 cards or less is hard for them to OTK. [/quote]I said stop, not start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1348969398' post='6034903'] I said stop, not start. [/quote] In a sense, starting your own OTK is stopping the opponent's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Except when they counter your OTK with Gorz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1348923493' post='6034476'] Do Gishkis even use Levianima in their builds now that Gustkrake is all but gone? It's still outclassed by the Level 8 Soul Ogre in terms of mechanics. [/quote] Levianima is incredible. The reason Gishkis weren't exactly viable until now is the same reason why Prophecies aren't viable in the TCG; Prophecies lack a good Draw Engine. They have big and powerful boss monsters, they have incredible searching power, and now Gishkis have a draw engine on legs. It doesn't matter if one gets D-Prisoned because Gishkis have to attack to win anyways, and one of your monsters would be hit regardless. Besides, you can just run Lance to help out with that. [quote name='EmpoleMew' timestamp='1348956426' post='6034793'] If you don't OTK or stop your opponents from getting off their OTKs in some way, you're not viable. [/quote] Bullsh*t. There are plenty of decks that don't OTK nor do they have to stop the opponent's OTKs (Partly because they aren't using OTKs either). For example: Gravekeepers, Geargias, HEROes. Gishkis play without OTKing because they [i]can't [/i]OTK. Zeal Gigas is about the only way they can. Now, Gishkis will be a hell of a lot better once Gigas comes out (Which should be soon, since it will be in DT7B), but for now, Aggro/Control styles are their best options. Getting a draw engine with Levianima and Trade-Ins lets you keep good hand advantage. Controlling the field with Soul Ogre lets you eliminate problem monsters in one of the most efficient ways possible. Raping the hand with Gustkraken adds onto the hand advantage, and lets you better predict your opponent's moves. Putting pressure on the opponent by either removing their Graveyard resources or recycling your own used-up backrow and staples with Mind Augus is good on its own mid-game. [quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1348981320' post='6034982'] Except when they counter your OTK with Gorz... [/quote] That's one of three reasons I run Trag in Gishkis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 [quote name='Dem The Magic Dragon' timestamp='1349025242' post='6035170']Geargias, HEROes. [/quote]They don't OTK? Geargias are all about OTKing and I know people are down on Bubblebeat/Alive HERO, but really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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