Darj Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [img]http://imageshack.us/a/img594/4058/daigustosphreezha06ensc.png[/img] A friend decided to play with Gustos and to my surprise I have a hard time dealing with them. I cannot see why they are not Tier 1. I don't run meta Decks myself, and I do lose against DWs and HEROs, but I do pretty well against Six Sams so my Decks shouldn't be that bad, perhaps Tier 2. And then Gustos manage to stand against them and even claim victories. (All this is on DN). How should I deal against a "Gusto" Deck when I am not siding any banishing card (as the Graveyard is used my Deck) nor Necrovalley? - Attacking seems pointless because the monsters Summon each other in a cycle, and when the opponent gets enough "Gustos" in the Graveyard then generates advantage with Caam, Contact with Gusto, etc. while recycling the floaters. - But if I don't attack, then the opponent itself will send the "Gustos" to the Graveyard by Synchro Summoning and proceed to activate the recycler cards. - Because some "Gustos" activate when send to the Graveyard, mass removal cards such as Torrential Tribute and Dark Hole are sometimes useless and in a few cases even advantageous for my opponent. - No big monster I Summon is safe because "Gustos" can use 3 "Creature Swaps" consistently as most of the time they will have at least 1 "Gusto" monster on the field. OR they Summon their Boss Monster "Daigusto Sphreez" and start ramming the floaters on my monster to inflict Battle Damage. Discuss Gustos: Their position in the Metagame and how to play around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Sidedeck this card- [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111006014002/yugioh/images/6/64/BanisheroftheRadianceLCGX-EN-ScR-1E.jpg[/img] Or just play removal cards such as Bottomless, D Prison and Compulsory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Fossil Dyna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120531141854/yugioh/images/thumb/5/5a/MirrorForce-BP01-EN-R-1E.png/300px-MirrorForce-BP01-EN-R-1E.png[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120720032850/yugioh/images/thumb/d/d9/PoisonousWinds-PHSW-EN-C-1E.png/300px-PoisonousWinds-PHSW-EN-C-1E.png[/img] In it's most extreme (assuming they ever become tire 1), this will shut them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Simply, you hit the right recylcer with the right effect. Since irc one of them only gets it when destroyed by battle. Or just banish them, they hate it. Mind you, Tele-Gusto is quite a fun deck. Not amazing, but it can be quite great. Especially once the WIND spiritual lord comes out assuming he'll be any good. That, and if you can run it Dark Highlander. To strong for them to run over, and stops there big guns from hitting the field. Even the creature swap doesn't help greatly against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 You just..., play against them and beat them. They are not that awsome im my oppinion. If you REALLY have trouble against them, you should try running Macro Cosmos, it nullifies their searchers. Also, Bottomless/Warning their Sphreez before you get OTKd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Wow, thanks for the suggestions. I did swap my 2 Torrentials for Bottomless. Mirror Force isn't bad idea either but it would still activate the effects of a few Gustos. Banisher of Radiance and Fossil Dyna convinced me: I can get rid of them when I want to stop their effects. Dark Highlander is not a possibility because the Deck I speak of is a Solid Machine-Type. I don't want to resort to "Poisonous Winds" because it is too specificic and barely affects other Decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Macro is your best bet. Or the Barrier Statue of the Winds, if you Safe Zone it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1349299266' post='6037254'] Or the Barrier Statue of the Winds, if you Safe Zone it. [/quote] Why would you want to lead yourself to your own destruction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Well, the idiot of the day award goes to me. -.- EDIT: I had thought that the Barrier Statues preventing Special Summoning of THAT type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 That's actually a crazy idea in a Gusto deck tbh. I mean, aside from Tornado what other stuff actually wouldn't get touched by the statue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Play Macro/Fissure. They're annoying, but They're too slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I like this topic Gusto being my favorite Archtype, I know very well how good they can be And I know why they are not Tier 1 They are great at both defense, and attack, and they have great skill But a simple King Tiger Wanghu will EVISCERATE them. If Wynnda's effect activated when she was destroyed by battle, period, not destroyed by battle with an attacking monster, however Gusto could very well be Tier 1 Since you could then just get out Sphreeze, use the Gusto's own Monster Reborn to recycle 2 cards and get either Gulldo, Wynnda, or Egul out, then procceed to just ram them into something in the classic Gusto loop. Gusto can be really dangerous, especially with support from Junk Synchron and Doppel, which makes them Synchro Summon MUCH more, and with much more variety (even letting them get out Quasar for example) But, they have plenty of weaknesses too IMO Major strengths: GREAT defensive capability (in their recycling) Good ability to Synchro Summon Ability to stall (and thus possibly make a comeback) if you are losing, just by drawing a simple Gulldo, Egul, or Wynn (or a s/t to get one of them out) Due to the Gusto like Gulldo or Skwirl that like being destroyed by effects, destruction effects against them can sometimes backfire Major weaknesses: Physically weak, when it comes to non-synchros Synchros need a non-tuner Gusto (Wynnda is usually a nice choice here, and easily accessible, but it's still a downside) Play Necrovalley, or King Tiger Whaghu, and they are NOTHING. The third one, being the biggest flaw, by far. They can be shut down badly by stuff like that :T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [quote name='Frex' timestamp='1349297186' post='6037220'] the opponent itself will send the "Gustos" to the Graveyard by Synchro Summoning-[/quote] [img]http://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/43732Objection.jpg[/img] Falco and Gulldo are "When... You can"-effects. Using them as Synchro Material causes them to miss the timing, and doesn't allow them to further cycle through their deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Just like Dark World - very easily sided against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1349303188' post='6037309'] [img]http://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/43732Objection.jpg[/img] Falco and Gulldo are "When... You can"-effects. Using them as Synchro Material causes them to miss the timing, and doesn't allow them to further cycle through their deck. [/quote] If they were "If...you can" effects Or just "When" effects, thus required....they really WOULD be tier 1 O_O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [quote name='Darklink401' timestamp='1349303571' post='6037315'] If they were "If...you can" effects Or just "When" effects, thus required....they really WOULD be tier 1 O_O[/quote] Now if Gusto's had an obscure monster with an effect like~ [quote]Gusto Bosscardguy -WIND- Lvl6(or something) You can Special Summon this card(from your Hand). If this card is Summoned in this way, send 1 "Gusto" monster you control to the Graveyard. Once per turn, you can [Cost X]: [Target Y]; [Do Z]. 2300ATK / 2000DEF[/quote] THEN you could get away with mooching off their effects, for a larger profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 ...lolBosscardguy~ I believe, the cornerstone of Gusto, is Gulldo, tho that should be obvious, since he can activate wether destroyed by battle, or card effect One time I set a Gulldo and a Skwirl My opponent used Dark hole I was happy ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1349303188' post='6037309'] [img]http://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/43732Objection.jpg[/img] Falco and Gulldo are "When... You can"-effects. Using them as Synchro Material causes them to miss the timing, and doesn't allow them to further cycle through their deck. [/quote] I know they miss the timing. My point was that the player can populate his Graveyard by himself in order to activate Contact, Caam, etc. When I first faced Gustos, I thought in not attacking at all to avoid sending monsters to his Graveyard, but eventually Gusto monsters will end in the Graveyard so I would be only delaying the inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [quote name='Frex' timestamp='1349304481' post='6037330'] I know they miss the timing. My point was that the player can populate his Graveyard by himself in order to activate Contact, Caam, etc. When I first faced Gustos, I thought in not attacking at all to avoid sending monsters to his Graveyard, but eventually Gusto monsters will end in the Graveyard so I would be only delaying the inevitable. [/quote]This is true They will get to the graveyard regardless~ Interestingly enough however, you shouldn't have TOO many of their recycle cards 1-2 of each I'd say Since no opponent is stupid enough to keep attacking and populating your Grave with different Gusto so you can USE the recycle cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 >Summon E-HERO Wildedge >Attack every single Gusto monster in their deck at once ????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [quote name='Excalibur-sama' timestamp='1349303293' post='6037310'] Just like Dark World - very easily sided against. [/quote]As far as I can tell, they're not EASILY sided against. There are a lot of decks that won't have what they need. It's just that they're not that good. Frankly, I hope they become good after the WIND pack comes out because that would be f*cking brilliant. As someone mentioned earlier, Teleport gives them a few cool tools. Plus Miracle Synchro Fusion aint no joke. [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1349304977' post='6037333'] >Summon E-HERO Wildedge >Attack every single Gusto monster in their deck at once ????????????????????? [/quote]*They have Sphreeze out* ...well that was fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1349306627' post='6037342'] As far as I can tell, they're not EASILY sided against. There are a lot of decks that won't have what they need. It's just that they're not that good. Frankly, I hope they become good after the WIND pack comes out because that would be f*cking brilliant. As someone mentioned earlier, Teleport gives them a few cool tools. Plus Miracle Synchro Fusion aint no joke. [/quote] I agree Their level is good, but not high enough to compete in the top metagame effectively, though they can easily compete in Tier 2 with nice success. And of course, the decks that DO have sides against it, can easily kill it second duel :T Also, there's a WIND pack coming out? I like the sound of this o3o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1349306627' post='6037342'] *They have Sphreeze out* ...well that was fun.[/quote] ...Was just a suggestion O,o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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