Agro Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 AND EVERYTHING COMES POURING OUT. Anyway, Abyss Rising comes out on [b]Friday[/b], November 9th (apparently) and with that will bring several new decks into the [s]moray[/s]foray. Since I'll be at a regionals on the 10th and another on the 17th, well... let's talk siding! Against the new decks... because my body isn't ready and I don't want to think about it too hard right now. We're assuming Atlanteans will make a splash- pun not intended- and Demmy is convinced that Prophecies will too. I'm probably missing something *cough*madolches*cough* but I don't care, so that's okay. Seeing as I don't want to play Atlanteans or Prophecies because I like not spending too much money, let's discuss how to side against them. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpakha Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Debunk will work for atlanteans and mermails. Prophecies? I'm not sure, don;t have much experience with that. Btw, you put september 9th in title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Soul drain,gg atlanteans? They'll be slowed down a bit until they get diva into gungnir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 My issue with Debunk is that it'll only hit 1 card. Okay, that's fine, except at that same point, an Atlantean player will probably have activated 3 other effects and influenced which one I could negate. Debunk just doesn't do enough to handle all the issues that Atlanteans can throw at you. I kinda like Soul Drain, just to completely destroy their consistency, and of course Macro Cosmos will just wreck them. But after that, I really don't see THE card to side in against them.' And then Prophecies is basically just Puppet Plant. [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1351066439' post='6052459'] Soul drain,gg atlanteans? They'll be slowed down a bit until they get diva into gungnir. [/quote]Play Soul Drain AND Skill Drain. Like a pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1351066607' post='6052460']But after that, I really don't see THE card to side in against them.' [/quote] What else do you want,water imprisoning mirror? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love of Ghibli Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Gozen is hilarious against prophecy if your deck can spare it. Can't tag out to junon if she isn't a viable target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpakha Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Forbidden Graveyard might work for mermails, I'm not sure if it'll miss timing when chained to an atlantean effect (I have little to no knowledge on effect timings and chaining). It could always be activated at the start of the turn, but your opponent would just wait til next turn to make a play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 I would say D-Fissures...but my friend tried that against my current Atlantean build in real life. Well...it didn't really do much to me. :< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1351066907' post='6052464'] What else do you want,water imprisoning mirror? [/quote]Yes plz. Actually, Rivalry of warlords isn't TOO bad of a play. At least when it comes to the Diva-Birdman combo. It kinda fails against Megalo Really, Debunk is only useful against Megalo or to stop the Seahorsemen plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Depends what you're playing yourself though. For Atlanteans/Mermails, a playset of Rai-Ohs pretty much deals with them (or Doomcaliber if you want). For decks that are consistent enough, Macro Cosmos is fine too. To be honest, you have to change to playstyle too, which is the more important thing. Knowing that they're going to be swarming faster than you, it's more consistent to just counter their moves. Doesn't necessarily mean you can slow down though. If you're in a hilarious mood, play Weed Out 4 te lolz. On a different note, I do think that, if you're running Prophecies, you should side The Grand Spellbook Tower (seems Field Spell wars is a real thing). But, anyway, against Prophecies, Rai-Oh is the catch-all. Gozen Match is decent too, as is Puppet Plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 So basically,keep siding raioh like you have for forever. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1351075340' post='6052500'] So basically,keep siding raioh like you have for forever. Got it. [/quote] Pretty much. It's just an amazing card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Since forever... excluding last format. Hell, I'll probably main that badass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Atlanteans aren't expensive .-. Cost me 65 to build the whole thing love the diva : infantry : birdman : diva : marksman play Anyway, dfissure and/or macro crushes them brutally and I don't think prophecy will do much at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Atlanteans are sorta cheap. Atlanteanmermails(the good atlantean deck) will probably cost a lot,abysslinde is an ultra/ulti IIRC and im guessing abysspike will be a super at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Beginning446' timestamp='1351066925' post='6052465'] Gozen is hilarious against prophecy if your deck can spare it. Can't tag out to junon if she isn't a viable target. [/quote] Basically, though Prophecies can deal with it. [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1351075080' post='6052497'] On a different note, I do think that, if you're running Prophecies, you should side The Grand Spellbook Tower (seems Field Spell wars is a real thing). But, anyway, against Prophecies, Rai-Oh is the catch-all. Gozen Match is decent too, as is Puppet Plant. [/quote] Always main the tower. It's draw power in a floater. Rai-Oh isn't quite so devastating, but Prophecies do suffer from Gishki syndrome, since half their cards are searchers and a third of the other stuff is weenie monsters. Also, Macro Cosmos is probably about the biggest hurt on Prophecies. It makes Life and the Tower dead and prevents all the crazy recycling shenanigans. Also guys Nat Beast is Prophecy's worst enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 [Quote]Gishki syndrome, [/quote] ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1351085636' post='6052604'] ???? [/quote] If they can't search, they can't do sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Am still wondering what this Gaint Soilder of steel thats lurking on wikia for Abyss Rising is going to be like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='kingdom Neos' timestamp='1351086370' post='6052615'] [b]I'[/b]m still wondering what this G[b]ia[/b]nt So[b]ldi[/b]er of [b]S[/b]teel that[b]'[/b]s lurking on wikia for Abyss Rising is going to be like. [/quote] I think everyone is wondering the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 I like how you forgot to fix soldier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Watch Giant Soldier of Steel just be a Normal Monster, Level 5 Machine with no use at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Or mechanical serpent pleison support,because wynaut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1351087102' post='6052620'] Watch Giant Soldier of Steel just be a Normal Monster, Level 5 Machine with no use at all. [/quote] What came to mind when I read this. [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090329055231/yugioh/images/thumb/3/30/SteelOgreGrotto1-LOB-NA-C-1E.jpg/300px-SteelOgreGrotto1-LOB-NA-C-1E.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Exa Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1351087102' post='6052620'] Watch Giant Soldier of Steel just be a Normal Monster, Level 5 Machine with no use at all. [/quote] I actually think it's going to be a Level 4 Normal Machine with no use at all. Either that or completely broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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