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[Charles Snater]

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let me know what you think about it plz

[Zazubat]

Concidering that this picture is from tekken shouldn't this be in pop culture? Anyways, the card sucks pretty badly. It's way overpowered with 3000 DEF for a level 6 monster, it can't be destroyed, and it's immune againts most spell or trap card, so pretty much it's OP all around, not a good job at all 2/10
Also some OCG mistakes, like enemy/opponent and gain should be increase

[Sander]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1351620611' post='6057341']
Concidering that this picture is from tekken shouldn't this be in pop culture? Anyways, the card sucks pretty badly. It's way overpowered with 3000 DEF for a level 6 monster, it can't be destroyed, and it's immune againts any spell or trap card, so pretty much it's OP all around, not a good job at all 2/10
Also some OCG mistakes, like enemy/opponent and gain should be increase
[/quote]

You really need to think before you start criticizing other peoples cards. No, the card isn't broken because for it to actually start gaining ATK and DEF via its effect, you'd need to Summon it in face-up Attack Position, and even then it's highly underwhelming to say the least. And no, it's not immune to any spell / trap card, just immune against cards that [i]target[/i]. You need to learn what that means. Cards like Dimensional Prison / Bottomless Trap Hole etc. etc. target, the rest don't. So it's only immune to a specific type of S/T cards, which isn't bad at all. And boohoo, it has 3000 DEF, whatever shall I do? Oh yeah, get rid of with with Monster effects / Spell or Traps that don't target.

tl;dr: Get better at this game or shut up.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1351624625' post='6057370']
You really need to think before you start criticizing other peoples cards. No, the card isn't broken because for it to actually start gaining ATK and DEF via its effect, you'd need to Summon it in face-up Attack Position, and even then it's highly underwhelming to say the least. And no, it's not immune to any spell / trap card, just immune against cards that [i]target[/i]. You need to learn what that means. Cards like Dimensional Prison / Bottomless Trap Hole etc. etc. target, the rest don't. So it's only immune to a specific type of S/T cards, which isn't bad at all. And boohoo, it has 3000 DEF, whatever shall I do? Oh yeah, get rid of with with Monster effects / Spell or Traps that don't target.

tl;dr: Get better at this game or shut up.
[/quote]Why are you so mad, it's just a custom card bro. Look, there's something called the law/rule of 3000 DEF, typicly on 1 tribute monsters high DEF also means low ATK, but not for this card. But yes you are right, but that doesn't mean you have the right to get so angry at me, at least tell me, like hey it says target that means not all, not like all rage town. I changed it, you happy now?

[Sander]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1351624957' post='6057375']
Why are you so mad, it's just a custom card bro.[/quote]

This is my ideology: You must have at least somewhat of a grasp on the subject that you're reviewing. In your case, you don't, thus your review is inadequate.

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1351624957' post='6057375']
Look, there's something called the law of 3000 DEF, typicly on 1 tribute monsters high DEF also means low ATK, but not for this card.[/quote]

There is no such thing called "the law of 3000 DEF", so I have no idea where you got this information from.

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1351624957' post='6057375']
But yes you are right, but that doesn't mean you have the right to get so angry at me, at least tell me, like hey it says target that means not all, not like all rage town. I changed it, you happy now?
[/quote]

But I have the right to get angry at you. Who are you to tell me otherwise? No, really, this is how I am; if I see someone who is trying to review something, but are themselves inadequate at said topic, I call them out on it. I do not have to be "nice" about it.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1351625826' post='6057383']
This is my ideology: You must have at least somewhat of a grasp on the subject that you're reviewing. In your case, you don't, thus your review is inadequate.



There is no such thing called "the law of 3000 DEF", so I have no idea where you got this information from.



But I have the right to get angry at you. Who are you to tell me otherwise? No, really, this is how I am; if I see someone who is trying to review something, but are themselves inadequate at said topic, I call them out on it. I do not have to be "nice" about it.
[/quote]
My review is inadequate because I simple don't know about it? Would you say if I reviewed the lates season on The Simpson, and said it was the best thing ever because of this and that, that I was wrong? I was wrong, but just because I didn't know, or didn't think it through (I did know, I just kind of skimed it) my review is invalid?

It's not as much as a law or rule, but more of an idea of how cards "should" be made. In realistic the aim, as to my knownlage, is to make cards that would either fit, or even be a real card, if you don't follow those rules then your card would be an outcast. That's why you don't userly see a monster at level 4 with 3000 ATK without a lot of rescritctions. If you were to just make a card to make it, typicly you would want it to no be in other cards or what ever it's called. It truly doesn't matter really, but it would break the game if he ran around with a 4000 ATK 4000 DEF monster (not to say that this card has overly high DEF, but really it's effect makes it powerful no matter what)

Now, maybe you don't have to be nice, but that doens't mean you shouldn't try to. It makes you immature if you are just grumpy at other people. To be honest while you're acting the way you are, I am not inclinded to stay on this forum much longer. Douchbag, trolls and people who are just angry for no reason I just can't stand on fourms. You might think otherwise, and it's fine I don't really care, as long as you don't bother me in the same way as you did before. I suppose I could just simply ignore what you say, but then as I said before why would I even want to be here, to post and interact with all you people? I don't have a reason to post if that's the case, and that makes me kind of sad. But I'm getting awfully off-topic here, and I don't really want to have this conversation in the first place, I wish this never would have happened.

[Sander]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1351627118' post='6057394']
(not to say that this card has overly high DEF, but really it's effect makes it powerful no matter what)
[/quote]

Can you hear what you're saying? Because it seems that you can't seem to grasp the idea behind the effect. It has to DESTROY monsters by battle to actually gain the ATK and DEF boost from its effect. What good will a 3000+ DEF do you when the monster is in face-up ATTACK position?

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1351627384' post='6057396']
Can you hear what you're saying? Because it seems that you can't seem to grasp the idea behind the effect. It has to DESTROY monsters by battle to actually gain the ATK and DEF boost from its effect. What good will a 3000+ DEF do you when the monster is in face-up ATTACK position?
[/quote]Besides the fact that there cards that can switch ATK and DEF around, and the fact that as I said most realistic card follow this sort of unofficial rule. Here, the wikia has an artical if you want to read more, which I doubt you really do since you don't seem to read what I said... [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Rule_of_3000_ATK_and_DEF"]http://yugioh.wikia....000_ATK_and_DEF[/url]

[Sander]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1351627669' post='6057402']
Besides the fact that there cards that can switch ATK and DEF around[/quote]

The fact that there are cards that can switch ATK and DEF doesn't make this card broken.

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1351627669' post='6057402']
, and the fact that as I said most realistic card follow this sort of unofficial rule. Here, the wikia has an artical if you want to read more, which I doubt you really do since you don't seem to read what I said... [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Rule_of_3000_ATK_and_DEF"]http://yugioh.wikia....000_ATK_and_DEF[/url]
[/quote]

The fact here is that even if this section is made for Realistic Cards doesn't mean that we have to follow some [i]unofficial[/i] rule that actually holds no merit.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1351628051' post='6057412']
The fact that there are cards that can switch ATK and DEF doesn't make this card broken.



The fact here is that even if this section is made for Realistic Cards doesn't mean that we have to follow some [i]unofficial[/i] rule that actually holds no merit.
[/quote] Besides the fact that realistic cards aim to be like the real cards, and if they have an insane DEF like those with a pretty high ATK they don't fit, unless they have rescrictions, which this card clearly doesn't have.

[Sander]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1351628207' post='6057416']
Besides the fact that realistic cards aim to be like the real cards, and if they have an insane DEF like those with a pretty high ATK they don't fit, unless they have rescrictions, which this card clearly doesn't have.
[/quote]

Because this card DOESN'T need restrictions. Did I not say that the card isn't broken beforehand? I'm pretty sure that I did.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1351628619' post='6057424']
Because this card DOESN'T need restrictions. Did I not say that the card isn't broken beforehand? I'm pretty sure that I did.
[/quote]It clearly is, with 3000 DEF at a level 5 monster that can't be destroyed when summoned and in most cases when it attack, plus it gains ATK and DEF each time it destroys something. I just checked, if this card was real, it would be the highest DEF for a monster with 2000 ATK, even a fusion monster has less then DEF then this card, wouldn't you say this doesn't fit?

[Sander]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1351628789' post='6057425']
It clearly is, with 3000 DEF at a level 5 monster that can't be destroyed when summoned and in most cases when it attack, plus it gains ATK and DEF each time it destroys something.
[/quote]

And then what? No, really, the card isn't broken and I have no idea why you're so fixated on the idea that it is. So what if it cannot be destroyed when it's Summoned or when it attacks? When it's Summoned, it's open to the plethora of cards that don't target, and what is this? It's open to be destroyed by battle by stronger monsters? WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN.

[AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW]

The rule of 3000, whether it applies to ATK or DEF, should, tbh, be broken. We need vanillas stronger than BEWD and walls with amazing DEF scores.

As it needs to kill two monsters in battle before it gains a respectable ATK for a 1-Tribute monster, it's really slow in that sense. It's DEF doesn't matter too much as it has no use being in Defense Position, except for being a wall, which is nice for this (but at the same time, only helps you not-lose rather than win). The immunity to being targeted by S/Ts is helpful as well, and is the most helpful part of this card.

However, the problem with this card is that killing two monsters by battle is really slow, and will just take forever for it to become a really big monster. Take Flamvell Uruq-whatever and Gaia Knight. Uruq has 2100 ATK, and gains 300 each time it damages your opponent. In two turns, it will outclass Gaia Knight in power. Gaia Knight has 2600 ATK and no effect. However, having more immediate ATK make Gaia Knight much better than Uruq, and Uruq is not played outside of situations where you need piercing damage. So I shall compare this to the Monarchs: In two turns, this will be stronger than them. However, the extra immediate 400 ATK is helpful, and the amazing effects that some of the Monarchs possess makes them better choices than this.

On the bright side, this is a target for Stygian Street Patrol.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1351628957' post='6057427']
And then what? No, really, the card isn't broken and I have no idea why you're so fixated on the idea that it is. So what if it cannot be destroyed when it's Summoned or when it attacks? When it's Summoned, it's open to the plethora of cards that don't target, and what is this? It's open to be destroyed by battle by stronger monsters? WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN.
[/quote]Hey those 3000 DEF might become useful at that moment don't you think?

[Sander]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1351629109' post='6057431']
Hey those 3000 DEF might become useful at that moment don't you think?
[/quote]

So you're implying that you'd want to waste cards like Stygian Street Patrol / revival cards to get this out in face-up Defense Position? What good would that really accomplish? Give you a wall that's not even going to survive for long enough to justify the use of those means.

Also, you need to learn what "Summoning" actually means: When you "Summon" a monster, you place it on the field [i]face-up[/i], most cases, in face-up ATTACK Position, which would mean for this card that the 3000 DEF this card has would be useless. So as I stated it before, you either waste revival cards / etc to get this out in Defense OR you SET it. But then it's open to cards that actually target, so it would render the card useless in that state.

tl;dr: The card isn't broken just because it has 3000 DEF and cannot be targeted by Spell / Trap Cards.

[Just Crouton]

This card isn't that bad. With 2000 ATK, it's a decent target for [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Stygian_Street_Patrol"]Stygian Street Patrol[/url], which makes getting this out pretty easy, which is a good thing, especially if you dump Patrol with [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Armageddon_Knight"]Armageddon Knight[/url], then Patrol into this for 3400 damage. I don't see why it has 3000 DEF when it has [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Gyroid"]Gyroid[/url]'s effect, but I don't care much. The immunity to target S/Ts means it gets over Forbidden Lance and Dimensional Prison, which is a good thing if I'm wasting resources on a meh Tribute monster.

It's not amazing, but not terrible either. Not drawbacks or anything needed for this.

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1351628207' post='6057416']
Besides the fact that realistic cards aim to be like the real cards, and if they have an insane DEF like those with a pretty high ATK they don't fit, unless they have rescrictions, which this card clearly doesn't have.
[/quote]

A frequent misconception in RC. Every card doesn't [b]need[/b] a restriction or drawback, especially something that isn't in any threat of being broken, like this.

EDIT: Also, this "Rule of [x ATK/DEF]" thing is getting pretty old, and seeing that it isn't a real "rule", for the sake of the advancing card design, and the fact that the game has pretty much evolved from that, it should be ignored to an extent.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1351629588' post='6057437']
So you're implying that you'd want to waste cards like Stygian Street Patrol / revival cards to get this out in face-up Defense Position? What good would that really accomplish? Give you a wall that's not even going to survive for long enough to justify the use of those means.

Also, you need to learn what "Summoning" actually means: When you "Summon" a monster, you place it on the field [i]face-up[/i], most cases, in face-up ATTACK Position, which would mean for this card that the 3000 DEF this card has would be useless. So as I stated it before, you either waste revival cards / etc to get this out in Defense OR you SET it. But then it's open to cards that actually target, so it would render the card useless in that state.

tl;dr: The card isn't broken just because it has 3000 DEF and cannot be targeted by Spell / Trap Cards.
[/quote]I know what a summon is silly. Wouldn't you agree that you summon a monster when you place it on the field, cause really you can't disagree with that. Also, it is broken. And if you really want to defend you Tekken card go a head and do that by yourself from now on, cause I ain't ever going into this topic again.

[Sander]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1351629999' post='6057447']
I know what a summon is silly. Wouldn't you agree that you summon a monster when you place it on the field, cause really you can't disagree with that. Also, it is broken. And if you really want to defend you Tekken card go a head and do that by yourself from now on, cause I ain't ever going into this topic again.
[/quote]

Nice way of stating that you can't say anything good to protect your viewpoint, oh wait, it's actually not.

[Alpakha]

This card isn't bad, but not great. It's just slow. It's doesn't need anymore drawbacks though, as it's balanced. People here don't really like pictures with blank backgrounds, you can find a lot of great card pictures here: [url="http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/273595-good-places-to-find-pics-for-your-card-needs/"]http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/273595-good-places-to-find-pics-for-your-card-needs/[/url].

Ocg (official card grammar) needs work, but that will be learned in time, you can use this as a guide, but I'm not sure if it's outdated or not: [url="http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/162881-the-ocg-grammar-card-presentation-thread/"]http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/162881-the-ocg-grammar-card-presentation-thread/[/url]

Overall the card is 7/10. Average, not great but not horrendously broken or useless.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

This card is basically Labyrinth Wall on steroids then. Which I have no problems with. The card is a 3000 wall with a once per turn immunity from being destroyed by battle and is unable to be destroyed by battle, which is nice, but is entirely useless. This probably wont be used in the current metagame due to the outrageous amount of Monster Removal that doesn't target. Overall, I think the card is quite nice. There's no need to change the effect since it's good as it is. Still, no-one in their right mind would run this.

[Garthfunkle Vii Backwards]

It's allright the only real way to play it is to used in a EQUIP Deck equip with axe or mage power even if they the equips get MST or HS, by then this guy has all ready have destroyed 2-3 monster easily.

So it is balanced becuase no one would ever use it in a EQUIP Deck anyways

My only concern is that is gains 300DEF with the 300ATK maybe tone down the DEF gain

This would be a great card for stall decks.

Find a picture without a white/black background please!

06.50/10.00 [+1.23 when you replace the pic with a better one]