This Account is Unplayable Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/b/b6/Grapha%2CDragonLordofDarkWorldSDGU-EN-UR-1E.jpg[/img] Yeah... I guess I'm staying for a while. In the meantime, discuss the best boss monster ever printed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STVB Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 the only reason dark world is successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 You would think they would have the decency to state that only 1 Grapha can be on the field at once. It just makes sense. It's sad that it ouclasses 2 monsters from its archetype in terms of ability, and then turns around and makes itself a reviving beatstick as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STVB Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1352775080' post='6067871'] You would think they would have the decency to state that only 1 Grapha can be on the field at once. It just makes sense. It's sad that it ouclasses 2 monsters from its archetype in terms of ability, and then turns around and makes itself a reviving beatstick as well. [/quote] i agree, i love dark world and all, but grapha is way too OP, either limit it, or only 1 on the field at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 GTFO Grapha's back, gaiz, he's my bro. In all seriousness, he's broken as a motherf***er, but DWs can never be meta by their sheer design and lack of enough good monsters. Still the best deck though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Smh, should stay at three and not add some bs restriction to only have one on the field. (not being sarcastic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Best writer for konami. I only hate it because I've played DWs so much, and almost every time they beat me 'cause of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 If its summoning condition wasn't a +1, it would be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Most poorly designed boss monster ever. Seriously. It's a +1 every single fricken turn that breathes down your neck the whole duel. Blech. I'd be fine with it-ish if it tributed the DW on the field for its summon, but noooo! Konami just had to make it a +1. Card should be put at 1 or 2, but Konami wants DWs to be good for some odd reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1352777882' post='6067939'] Most poorly designed boss monster ever. Seriously. It's a +1 every single fricken turn that breathes down your neck the whole duel. Blech. I'd be fine with it-ish if it tributed the DW on the field for its summon, but noooo! Konami just had to make it a +1. Card should be put at 1 or 2, but Konami wants DWs to be good for some odd reason. [/quote] Judgment Dragon is worse. It's a potential +10 with minimal requirements and can nuke the field multiple times, and you can drop three at once for near-game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Just want to clarify on the point of my post. I get annoyed when people talk about Dark Worlds being the bane of the game. Simply put, the cards exist. Their effects aren't going to change. Is it possible some will get limited yes. Is it likely, who knows. D.A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 If Konamis wanted DWs to be "good" (assumably implying tier 1) then they'd give them more good monsters to work with. Currently, Grapha has 7 subordinates worth deck slots; 3 Snowws, 3 Browws and a Beiige. Note how, apart from Snoww, these all suck, but are necessary evils to run the deck. Grapha allows the deck to actually function with a win condition, and is unfairly considered more "broken" than cards like Master Hyperion simply because he can be brought back. It takes more cards in which to do this, regardless. Hyperion, for example, requires an Agent in any accessible location to special summon, and destroys something once per turn seeing as the deck is full of Light Fairies. Sure, it can't be brought back, but the deck also doesn't rely on it to win and has multiple paths to victory. Now, look back at Grapha. He requires you to control a sub-stellar monster, when he's already been put into the graveyard by one of your 10~ discard outlets. He can only kill something upon his discard by one of these, which should be noted. Not to mention, killing off those mere 7 subordinates makes him entirely unsummonable, and without him the deck can't win. Honestly, he's broken, but he doesn't deserve what he gets, there are far worse designed monsters out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1352778182' post='6067942'] Judgment Dragon is worse. It's a potential +10 with minimal requirements and can nuke the field multiple times, and you can drop three at once for near-game. [/quote] JD is by far the most broken boss ever, but at least if it dies it stays dead. Not with grapha: It keeps coming back every single turn. But JD easily takes the take for #2 most poorly designed boss ever, IMO.@Chris Any decent DWs deck would be able to get around the hurdles you've just mentioned. One time, I returned a grapha I controlled to the hand to summon another one from the grave. I kept popping cards over and over again. It was not pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Except Grapha CAN'T return other Graphas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1352778726' post='6067948'] JD is by far the most broken boss ever, but at least if it dies it stays dead. Not with grapha: It keeps coming back every single turn. But JD easily takes the take for #2 most poorly designed boss ever, IMO. @Chris Any decent DWs deck would be able to get around the hurdles you've just mentioned. One time, I returned a grapha I controlled to the hand to summon another one from the grave. I kept popping cards over and over again. It was not pretty. [/quote] Then you played wrong cause Grapha cant pull a grapha back to summon itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 It happened a while ago... Back when I dueled with my lil bro cuz I hadn't yet discovered DN... I seem to have lost all of my credibility... (leaves) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Oh and, I may as well add; You said that any decent DW deck can jump the hurdles to play Grapha. Besides Macro Cosmos and D-Fissure, did you know that a Dark World deck's greatest enemy is actually itself? The reason you don't see DWs topping every event is purely because the deck, even when designed its most linear and succinct is inconsistent by virtue of design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1352779259' post='6067956'] Oh and, I may as well add; You said that any decent DW deck can jump the hurdles to play Grapha. Besides Macro Cosmos and D-Fissure, did you know that a Dark World deck's greatest enemy is actually itself? The reason you don't see DWs topping every event is purely because the deck, even when designed its most linear and succinct is inconsistent by virtue of design. [/quote] dw mirror matches are great stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1352779435' post='6067958'] dw mirror matches are great stuff [/quote] Oh wow, don't even get me started on that reason why DWs will never be tier. Although, any player skilled enough with the deck knows how to win the mirror relatively well... Just not when 2 skilled players go against eachother. Trust me, resolving Card Destruction is pretty much the only way to win that match... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Master Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Maybe if it wasn't easy as hell to get out, maybe if it wasn't the sole reason a kind of deck is good, maybe if it wasn't so rewarding, then I could deal with it. Really, it's sad to think that the DW strategy only works because of one card. It doesn't completely bother me due to it's simple destruction, but the fact that they can activate Hand Destruction and then destroy a card I control just aggravates me. Along with MR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [quote name='Justice Master' timestamp='1352779667' post='6067962'] Maybe if it wasn't easy as hell to get out, maybe if it wasn't the sole reason a kind of deck is good, maybe if it wasn't so rewarding, then I could deal with it. Really, it's sad to think that the DW strategy only works because of one card. It doesn't completely bother me due to it's simple destruction, but the fact that [b]they can activate Hand Destruction[/b] and then destroy a card I control just aggravates me. Along with MR. [/quote] But that's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Hand destruction was a terrible example since it doesn't trigger them. And, just gonna say: A 2700 vanilla isn't that great of a reward when you look at some Light bosses. i.e. Hyperion, JD, Kristya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Master Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Excuse me. I had a derp moment. Sure, it can't be as a cost, but it's still an annoying piece of the game. Feel free to throw rocks at me and call my opinions stupid because I'm not a meta duelist. The point I'm trying to get across of why it frustrates me: Dark Worlds aren't good, but Grapha is. EDIT: I said that a bit to broadly. I know what the effect requires, it's just that Yu-Gi-Oh! always has to complicate what a card does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [quote name='Justice Master' timestamp='1352780104' post='6067967'] Excuse me. I had a derp moment. Sure, it can't be as a cost, but it's still an annoying piece of the game. Feel free to throw rocks at me and call my opinions stupid because I'm not a meta duelist. The point I'm trying to get across of why it frustrates me: Dark Worlds aren't good, but Grapha is. [/quote] Hand Destruction sends. Not Discards. It doesn't work with Fableds any more than it does Dark Worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [quote name='Justice Master' timestamp='1352780104' post='6067967'] The point I'm trying to get across of why it frustrates me: Dark Worlds aren't good, but Grapha is. [/quote] Snoww and Gates would like a word with you. Oh and, without their bosses, almost every single deck in the game would suck. Yugioh is kind of a game where you make a deck around bosses, and Grapha just happens to be one of those bosses. Much like how LS would suck if they didn't have JD, or how Agents would suck if they didn't have Hyperion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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