CommanderVolt Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120429212131/yugioh/images/thumb/1/1d/PhotonPapilloperative-GAOV-EN-R-1E.png/300px-PhotonPapilloperative-GAOV-EN-R-1E.png[/img] >Playing my friend irl >Go this. Use it on his monster [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121018070614/yugioh/images/thumb/7/78/PenguinSoldier-SDRE-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-PenguinSoldier-SDRE-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img] Discuss one of the better go-to rank 4s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 This is why Papilloperative is bad. Most of the time, it hurts you more than it does good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1353707060' post='6076440'] This is why Papilloperative is bad. Most of the time, it hurts you more than it does good. [/quote] Yeah, one of my friends at locals flipped a Fossil Dyna by this cards' effect last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 It can reveal hidden information and pull a finishing blow, but unless there's a chance to Stand Up!! Wind-Up Rat I prefer Corn. They're different cards though, and this is easier to use with Rivalry and Gozen Match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1353707060' post='6076440'] This is why Papilloperative is bad. Most of the time, it hurts you more than it does good. [/quote] Would you rather have attacked Penguin Soldier in the Battle Phase, and had been able to make less attacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Happened to me yesterday. Worst part is that they can bounce back Penguin Soldier. But that apart, saying that this card is bad is..., well, I'd just probably stop here. OT: Really good, it helps taking on stuff like Reaper or Marshmallon while usually dealing more damage than Number 50. Most of the times the Xyz to go if your opponent has anything on Defense Position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1353707060' post='6076440'] This is why Papilloperative is bad. Most of the time, it hurts you more than it does good. [/quote] What are you talking about? Its one of the best RK4s and an Extra Deck Staple. It gets around Reaper, Zenmaines, Gachi, etc, and its fantastically flexable. Its not bad at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 [quote name='- Neo -' timestamp='1353716481' post='6076511'] What are you talking about? Its one of the best RK4s and an Extra Deck Staple. It gets around Reaper, Zenmaines, Gachi, etc, and its fantastically flexable. Its not bad at all. [/quote] Reaper: It has to be face-up to be destroyed by his own effect. Gachi and Maines: Only if you have something to take their Xyz Materials. So, no matter what they say, I still prefer using something else instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 [quote name='- Neo -' timestamp='1353716481' post='6076511'] What are you talking about? Its one of the best RK4s and an Extra Deck Staple. It gets around Reaper, Zenmaines, Gachi, etc, and its fantastically flexable. Its not bad at all. [/quote] I would prefer to send them with Corn in the first place so I wouldn't have to deal with them. :\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Corn isn't as good as Papilloperative. Like, corn is hardly good in the first place. You all act like this thing always flips up a set flip effect monster that will destroy it and not the ten million other cards it is more likely to be. Plus it makes Geargiarmor miss the timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Papillop is better than Corn because it can hit face down thingies. Although I will admit that I cried a bit about not running Corn on DN when I was suddenly facing down Maestroke and Zenmaines. Of course, i was able to be awesome and kill them with Coat of Arms :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 [quote name='Pacmanexus' timestamp='1353726121' post='6076581'] Papillop is better than Corn because it can hit face down thingies. Although I will admit that I cried a bit about not running Corn on DN when I was suddenly facing down Maestroke and Zenmaines. Of course, i was able to be awesome and kill them with Coat of Arms :3 [/quote] The only thing it does is flipping them face-up. Which can trigger their effects. So, unless you have something to fill your field after your Papilloperative is killed by a Snowman Eater/Dyna/Penguin Soldier/Etc., you'll be at disadvantage. I don't see this card as being worth a space in any Extra. I've only been in very few situations I really would need it. But it does pretty well in a Geargia Deck, flipping Geargiarmor countless times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 To everyone that is saying that Papilloperative is better than Corn: I'd like to have a clear field when I go to OTK you. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 [quote name='Pchi' timestamp='1353726643' post='6076591'] The only thing it does is flipping them face-up. Which can trigger their effects. So, unless you have something to fill your field after your Papilloperative is killed by a Snowman Eater/Dyna/Penguin Soldier/Etc., you'll be at disadvantage. I don't see this card as being worth a space in any Extra. I've only been in very few situations I really would need it. But it does pretty well in a Geargia Deck, flipping Geargiarmor countless times. [/quote]And how often do you run into Penguin Soldier? Snowman and Pachy suck to hit, yeah, but you usually won't hit one when you're flipping something to push for game. Even if you do, your opponent now has a wimpy little thing for you to punish. The only time Papillop can give you a bad disadvantage is if you hit a flip thing while you have nothing else out, in which case it would be better to go into Maestroke anyway. Papillop is a good Final Turn card, and it can do a whole lot of what Corn does too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Like Black Corn is any better at getting over a Pachy or Snowman Eater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 [quote name='Pacmanexus' timestamp='1353726970' post='6076597'] And how often do you run into Penguin Soldier? Snowman and Pachy suck to hit, yeah, but you usually won't hit one when you're flipping something to push for game. Even if you do, your opponent now has a wimpy little thing for you to punish. The only time Papillop can give you a bad disadvantage is if you hit a flip thing while you have nothing else out, in which case it would be better to go into Maestroke anyway. Papillop is a good Final Turn card, and it can do a whole lot of what Corn does too. [/quote] But that's the problem. It's only realy useful to end game. Corn is useful at many more situations, from what I've seen. And if I need space desperately in my Extra, it's better to stick with something that can be used "anytime" (okay, MANY more times) than with a simple situational game ender that not always works. Sorry, but from my experience, Papillo is not that good compared to Corn. I don't see many people setting monsters apart from those who have flipping effects, and it can be really risky activating one of those even if it's late in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1353726878' post='6076595'] To everyone that is saying that Papilloperative is better than Corn: I'd like to have a clear field when I go to OTK you. Just saying. [/quote] Tell me more about how Corn gets rid of that set monster. The two cards are used for entirely different situations. And you should be running both anyway. Jesus, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1353727685' post='6076609'] Like Black Corn is any better at getting over a Pachy or Snowman Eater. [/quote] At least it can kill Zenmaines, Gachi and any s*** with less than 2100 ATK that activates its effect when destroyed or that can't be destroyed via effect or battle. With Papillo, I have a situational possible chance to end a game, which can easily backfire. With Corn I know at least what I'm doing. [quote name='EmpoleMew' timestamp='1353727901' post='6076616'] Tell me more about how Corn gets rid of that set monster. The two cards are used for entirely different situations. And you should be running both anyway. Jesus, guys. [/quote] Not if I lack space. And I'm not saying Corn can kill them. But Papillo isn't that better dealing with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 I hardly ever found use for Black Corn wherever I ran it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1353728093' post='6076623'] I hardly ever found use for Black Corn wherever I ran it. [/quote] We have different fortunes, it seems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Papi and Corn are very different and both good at what they do respectively. End of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreelancerRaiko Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Meh better really when you're already in control and used more for just hammering your opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 [quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1353728417' post='6076630'] Papi and Corn are very different and both good at what they do respectively. End of discussion. [/quote]This. But the discussion is whether, if you have one extra deck spot left, which would you run? And honestly speaking, I'd rather run Papilloperative. Because it'll find more use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Papi has a great use in a greater number of decks, becuase its a toolbox card. Its meant to open up options, not to blast its way through. Also, how has no one mentioned this in Wind-ups switching Rat's left right and centre.? This and Corn are both great cards, that fill different roles. You can't flat out say that one is better than the other. Also given the support the two can have, this having Honest, and other Warrior support, making this As for only having room for one of them? What decks won't have room for both, except maybe hero's? Frankly 2-Rank 4 order for me goes Meastroke - This - Corn - Emeral - Utopia - Chain. Of the generic ones anyhow. Disagree with me how you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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