"You Can't Do That" Card #2: Question

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

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"When [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Activate"]activating[/url] this card, your opponent cannot check cards in the [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Graveyard"]Graveyard[/url]. Your opponent calls the name of the first [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Monster_Card"]monster[/url] found at the bottom of your Graveyard. If he/she calls it right, the monster is [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Removed_from_play"]removed from play[/url]. If he/she calls it wrong, the monster is [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special_Summon"]Special Summoned[/url] to your side of the [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Field"]field[/url]."

One of the few cards that prevents your opponent from doing things during its own activation instead of just its resolution, so unique that a [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENBv2i88g6Y"]song was written about it[/url]. The card isn't all that amazing, but it's a funny card to play in certain decks, especially if they use monsters with really hard to say names, since your opponent has to say its actual name and not be general about it like "Alien" or "Hamburger" (though the ruling might be different in smaller tournaments, where your opponent can just show they had the intention of saying its complete name).

Anyways, onto what's "you can't do that" about this card. As you can tell, this is one of the few cards in the game that relies on the actual order of the Graveyard. The only exceptions that come to mind are The World and the anime card Carboneddon. Because cards like this exist, however, the order of the Graveyard now becomes a factor during the duel. Therefore, a player must have their Graveyard in proper order at all times. If your opponent looks at your Graveyard, they cannot change the position of your cards, and the same goes for their own, as it's always possible they use a card like Question or you play something like The World. A lot of times, players will activate Call of the Haunted or the like and automatically summon their monster when you could possibly MST it. Then what do they do when you end up actually activating that MST? They put their monster on the top of their Graveyard, an illegal move.

Well, that's all I have to say for now.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1354470195' post='6083311']
A lot of times, players will activate Call of the Haunted or the like and automatically summon their monster when you could possibly MST it. Then what do they do when you end up actually activating that MST? They put their monster on the top of their Graveyard, an illegal move.

Well, that's all I have to say for now.
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Well that's a contentious ruling open to interpretation. Surely if the monster has been summoned from the cemetery, when it goes back there it should go top of the pile as it has left the cemetery, thus all history of it having been there is erased and it returns as a seperate issue? (struggling for right wording)

Sure on games like World Championship cards are just put on top of the pile in such a situation, so I'd go with that in what is likely to be a irrelevant issue 99.999% of the time.

Card is interesting. Not good obviously, but quirky and an original.

[Toffee.]

Opponent makes a typo in the card's name, on DN.
NOPE. SAID IT WRONG. SUMMON IT ANYWAY
....
Could totally do that.

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

Use in Madolches or Gishkas for ultimate Spelling trolls?

[AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW]

Karakuris.

Ain't nobody got time to say those names.





OT: It could be ok since nobody is going to try to memorize your first monster in the Grave, but what brings it down is that you only get to use it with that monster instead of any in your Grave.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

[img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/4/4f/InterplanetarypurplythornyDragon-ORCS-EN-C-UE.png[/img]

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

[quote name='Bahamut Shark' timestamp='1354470757' post='6083316']
Well that's a contentious ruling open to interpretation. Surely if the monster has been summoned from the cemetery, when it goes back there it should go top of the pile as it has left the cemetery, thus all history of it having been there is erased and it returns as a seperate issue? (struggling for right wording)

Sure on games like World Championship cards are just put on top of the pile in such a situation, so I'd go with that in what is likely to be a irrelevant issue 99.999% of the time.

Card is interesting. Not good obviously, but quirky and an original.
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Well, you misinterpreted what I was talking about. I was saying they activated Call and automatically summoned the monster before you could chain your MST, then when you do chain your MST to its activation they put the monster on the top of the grave when it shouldn't have been summoned in the first place to be sent to the grave.

However, that does being up a question about when cards go to the graveyard. In the case of Call of the Haunted, if it did successfully activate and THEN was destroyed, it would go to he grave and THEN activate its effect to send the monster to the grave, meaning by ruling your monster should go above Call of the Haunted. In the case of multiple cards being destroyed and other certain effects, however... I haven't a clue if there is a specific timing that cards are placed in the grave.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1354471582' post='6083328']
Well, you misinterpreted what I was talking about. I was saying they activated Call and automatically summoned the monster before you could chain your MST, then when you do chain your MST to its activation they put the monster on the top of the grave when it shouldn't have been summoned in the first place to be sent to the grave.

However, that does being up a question about when cards go to the graveyard. In the case of Call of the Haunted, if it did successfully activate and THEN was destroyed, it would go to he grave and THEN activate its effect to send the monster to the grave, meaning by ruling your monster should go above Call of the Haunted. In the case of multiple cards being destroyed and other certain effects, however... I haven't a clue if there is a specific timing that cards are placed in the grave.
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Oh I see. Yeah in that case they should put it back where it was as it should never have left the grave.

Hmm... you mean if multiple monsters were wiped by Black hole or similar. Um... personally I'd just sweep up cards on my field in a pile, most likely from left to right.

Remembers this card was used in such a situation as a plot device in Dead Zone...

.... misses Dead Zone...

[Aerion Brightflame]

I think saying the OCG name of Tour Guide would be harder...

I would want to play thsi on DN to make people angry, but it would be far to easy for them to cheat. Which... is a shame.

Of course it will never work in competetive gaming.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

[quote name='Archbaron Barthandelus' timestamp='1354473540' post='6083344']
I think saying the OCG name of Tour Guide would be harder...

I would want to play thsi on DN to make people angry, but it would be far to easy for them to cheat. Which... is a shame.

Of course it will never work in competetive gaming.
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How could they cheat, exactly? If they look at your grave, you see them looking at it... so then you say they were cheating.

Also, I want suggestions for more "You Can't Do That" cards, since I can only think of 1 more off the top of my head.

[.Exa]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1354474249' post='6083348']
Also, I want suggestions for more "You Can't Do That" cards, since I can only think of 1 more off the top of my head.
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Convulsion of Nature, but I did that recently.

[quote name='A Background Character' timestamp='1354471340' post='6083325']
Karakuris.

Ain't nobody got time to say those names.
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You could literally build a Troll.dek revolving around your opponent missing 1 word in their names or something.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Yeah, that's one of the cards I had in mind, but there aren't any actual rulings based around it that shaped the game.

[D.A._Sakuyamon]

Umm Curse of Fiend?

[.Exa]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1354475383' post='6083363']
Yeah, that's one of the cards I had in mind, but there aren't many actual rulings based around it that are unique.
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There was this one card which says how it's pronounced [i]in the rulings[/i]. That was a funny one. I can't find it for the life of me though.

EDIT: Darkness Approaching, maybe? There's a whole new set of rulings right there.

[EmpoleMew]

Holy crap I just realized I could troll around with this irl because no one can freaking pronounce even the simplest of card names correctly.

Buying a playset now.

[Airride]

[quote name='exaenae' timestamp='1354475503' post='6083366']There was this one card which says how it's pronounced [i]in the rulings[/i]. That was a funny one. I can't find it for the life of me though.[/quote]Armor EXE.
But yeh, this card is funny. I like it, but not much use.

[Mysty]

[quote name='exaenae' timestamp='1354475503' post='6083366']
There was this one card which says how it's pronounced [i]in the rulings[/i]. That was a funny one. I can't find it for the life of me though.
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Armor Exe is pronounced Armor Egg-zay. I remember it saying that in the rulings.

Pretty bad if the opponent has a better memory than you, or better observation skills than your memory. After all, if you go check to see what the first monster is, they could also see your Graveyard and will have a much better shot at getting the Question right.

[Miror B]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1354470195' post='6083311']
especially if they use monsters with really hard to say names, since your opponent has to say its actual name and not be general about it like "Alien" or "Hamburger" (though the ruling might be different in smaller tournaments, where your opponent can just show they had the intention of saying its complete name).
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So long as both players can clearly determine what monster is being talked about then the answer is considered correct.
If I say "That one dude with 1400 ATK, is a DARK Attribute Plant-Type monster and summons another DARK with 1500 or less ATK when destroyed by battle" then I highly doubt you're going to be able to lie and say you don't know that I'm talking about Mystic Tomato.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

[quote name='Meta~' timestamp='1354476477' post='6083384']
So long as both players can clearly determine what monster is being talked about then the answer is considered correct.
If I say "That one dude with 1400 ATK, is a DARK Attribute Plant-Type monster and summons another DARK with 1500 or less ATK when destroyed by battle" then I highly doubt you're going to be able to lie and say you don't know that I'm talking about Mystic Tomato.
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They can't do that because the name of the monster is not "that one dude with 1400 ATK, is a DARK Attribute Plant-Type monster and summons another DARK with 1500 or less ATK when destroyed by battle". They have to [i]call a name[/i], not describe a monster.

[Miror B]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1354476594' post='6083390']
They can't do that because the name of the monster is not "that one dude with 1400 ATK, is a DARK Attribute Plant-Type monster and summons another DARK with 1500 or less ATK when destroyed by battle". They have to [i]call a name[/i], not describe a monster.
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That's not how it works. It's the same deal for Mind Crush. So long as both players can determine what you're talking about then it's legit.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

[quote name='Meta~' timestamp='1354476657' post='6083392']
That's not how it works. It's the same deal for Mind Crush. So long as both players can determine what you're talking about then it's legit.
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Either way, you can always say you don't know what they're talking about, even if you actually do, so it doesn't matter. If they can't properly call the name, then there's no way to legitimately verify that it's the card they meant. Plus, there is the ruling that you cannot choose a card name in Mind Crush for a card that does not exist, it has to be an actual card.

[Miror B]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1354476898' post='6083396']
Either way, you can always say you don't know what they're talking about, even if you actually do, so it doesn't matter. If they can't properly call the name, then there's no way to legitimately verify that it's the card they meant.
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If a judge can come in and clearly state what their talking about you're gonna get smashed.
Also, say the explanation, look at the monster in your graveyard, see that it's a 1400 DARK/Plant with that exact effect and boom.
Unless there's some other DARK/Plant with 1400 ATK that summons another DARK from the deck when destroyed by battle that you can think of, then it's a viable replacement for "Mystic Tomato"

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

[quote name='Meta~' timestamp='1354477003' post='6083399']
If a judge can come in and clearly state what their talking about you're gonna get smashed.
Also, say the explanation, look at the monster in your graveyard, see that it's a 1400 DARK/Plant with that exact effect and boom.
Unless there's some other DARK/Plant with 1400 ATK that summons another DARK from the deck when destroyed by battle that you can think of, then it's a viable replacement for "Mystic Tomato"
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No, because if that were true, then a player could say "Poop" and then the judge could say "Yes, he meant interplanetarypurplythorny dragon", just because of interpretation. It has to be something verifiable.

[Miror B]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1354477124' post='6083402']
No, because if that were true, then a player could say "Poop" and then the judge could say "Yes, he meant interplanetarypurplythorny dragon", just because of interpretation. It has to be something verifiable.
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That's not at all the same as what I was explaining ._.
How the hell do you determine my description as not mystic tomato?
This isn't a game on interpretations. If there's any room for it to be seen as multiple monsters then it is not allowed as an acceptable answer.

[.Exa]

[quote name='Meta~' timestamp='1354477003' post='6083399']
Unless there's some other DARK/Plant with 1400 ATK that summons another DARK from the deck when destroyed by battle that you can think of, then it's a viable replacement for "Mystic Tomato"
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Aww, I wanted to say Inmato, but it doesn't have the appropriate effect.