Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 As usual, only listing the changes. Let me know if I missed something. Goal: Deck diversity & a severe cutdown on "play-this-and-win" cards. ">" are cards I'm debating on placement [b]FORBIDDEN ( 26 )[/b] [b]Limited to Forbidden:[/b] [color=#ff8c00]Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the End Dandylion Dark Armed Dragon Elemental HERO Stratos Exodia the Forbidden One Gorz the Emissary of Darkness Inzektor Hornet[/color] [color=#ff8c00]Morphing Jar Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon Sangan[/color] [color=#808080]T.G. Hyper Librarian[/color] [color=#008000]Black Whirlwind Card Destruction[/color] [color=#008000]Chain Strike Gateway of the Six Infernity Launcher > Mind Control Monster Reborn Pot of Avarice[/color] [b]Semi-Limited to Forbidden:[/b] [color=#008000]Royal Tribute[/color] [b]Unlimited to Forbidden:[/b] [color=#FF8C00]Atlantean Dragoons[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Infernity Mirage[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Moulinglacia the Elemental Lord[/color] [color=#800080]Gladiator Beast Gyzarus[/color] Gaia Dragon, the Thunder Charger [color=#008000]Final Countdown Rekindling[/color] [b]LIMITED ( 38 )[/b] [b]Forbidden to Limited:[/b] [color=#ff8c00]Magician of Faith[/color] [color=#008000]Metamorphosis[/color] [b]Semi-Limited to Limited:[/b] [color=#ff8c00]Archlord Kristya Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow Rescue Rabbit Tour Guide from the Underworld[/color] [color=#008000]> Hieratic Seal of Convocation[/color] [color=#ee82ee]Mirror Force Torrential Tribute[/color] [b]Unlimited to Limited:[/b] [color=#FF8C00]Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Chouten[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Deep Sea Diva[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Enthusiastic Beastman Wolfberk[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Fire King High Avatar Garunix[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Geargiarmor[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Gishki Vision[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Gishki Shadow[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Grandsoil the Elemental Lord[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Haze-Beast Peryton[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Judgment Dragon[/color] [color=#ff8c00]Master Hyperion[/color] [color=#ff8c00]Mermail Abysslinde[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Snoww, Unlight of Dark World[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Thunder Sea Horse[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Wind-Up Magician[/color] [color=#A9A9A9]Black Rose Dragon[/color] > Constellar Ptolemys Messier 7 Fierce Leader of the Fire Fist - Tiger [color=#008000]Firedance - Tenki[/color] [color=#008000]Miracle Fusion[/color] [color=#008000]Mystical Space Typhoon[/color] [color=#008000]Night Beam Onslaught of the Fire King[/color][color=#008000]Wind-Up Factory[/color] [color=#008000]Salvage[/color] [color=#008000]Six Samurai United[/color] [color=#EE82EE]Abyss-sphere[/color] [color=#EE82EE]Infernity Barrier[/color] [b]SEMI-LIMITED ( 17 )[/b] [b]Limited to Semi-Limited:[/b] [color=#ff8c00]> Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind Neo-Spacian Grand Mole > T.G. Striker Tsukuyomi[/color] [color=#A9A9A9]Formula Synchron[/color] [color=#008000]Book of Moon[/color] [color=#008000]Scapegoat[/color] [b]Unlimited to Semi-Limited:[/b] [color=#ff8c00]Cardcar D > Gravekeeper's Recruiter > Herald of Perfection > High Priestess of Prophecy[/color] [color=#ff8c00]> Hieratic Dragon of Tefnuit[/color] [color=#ff8c00]Wind-Up Rat[/color] [color=#008000]Necrovalley[/color] [color=#ee82ee]> Call of the Haunted[/color] [color=#ee82ee]Macro Cosmos[/color] [color=#ee82ee]Skill Drain[/color] [b]UNLIMITED ( 8 )[/b] [b]Limited to Unlimited:[/b] [color=#daa520]Left Arm of the Forbidden One Left Leg of the Forbidden One Right Arm of the Forbidden One Right Leg of the Forbidden One[/color] [color=#ff8c00]Gladiator Beast Bestiari Spore[/color] [color=#008000]Primal Seed[/color] [b]Semi-Limited to Unlimited:[/b] [color=#008000]Pot of Duality[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Exa Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 That umm... doesn't actually seem as butthurt as the last one. But why unban Magician of Faith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='.Exa' timestamp='1354647470' post='6085103'] That umm... doesn't actually seem as butthurt as the last one. But why unban Magician of Faith? [/quote]mido can probably provide a better argument for than I can, but the basic idea is that we've cut down on a lot of power spell cards and Magician of Faith is rarely going to end a game by using its effect. I think spell recovery, at least for something slow like Magician of Faith, won't be something that's absolutely broken in a format with less Spells to choose from. There's only a select few decks I'd look at to see if perhaps it should stay on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Magician of Faith at 1 and Storm at 1 doesn't cut it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Kettleblack' timestamp='1354647819' post='6085106'] Magician of Faith at 1 and Storm at 1 doesn't cut it for me. [/quote]I'd love to cut Storm to 0, but that'd just be bad for the game as it is. We seriously need an alternative that restricts SSing. I'm fine with Faith and Storm @1 since we don't. Especially considering I have MST @1 on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Why is Gateway unbanned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Kettleblack' timestamp='1354648048' post='6085110'] Why is Gateway unbanned? [/quote]Because it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 It creates insane advantage off one card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Kettleblack' timestamp='1354648268' post='6085113'] It creates insane advantage off one card. [/quote] It's banned .____. Read Agro's post again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Ignore this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Sorry, casually not reading there. I assumed it'd come before Gorz for some reason. Good list anyway with justifiable choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Kettleblack' timestamp='1354648268' post='6085113'] It creates insane advantage off one card. [/quote]I don't think you understand. [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1354646992' post='6085098'] [b]FORBIDDEN ( 26 )[/b] [b]Limited to Forbidden:[/b] Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the End Dandylion Dark Armed Dragon Elemental HERO Stratos Exodia the Forbidden One Gorz the Emissary of Darkness Inzektor Hornet Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon Sangan T.G. Hyper Librarian Black Whirlwind Card Destruction [b]Gateway of the Six[/b] [/quote] Ninja'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 You should really color code this so people understand how you sorted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Meta~' timestamp='1354648531' post='6085122'] You should really color code this so people understand how you sorted them. [/quote]I guess. I didn't really sort the Unlimited ones though. I'll go in and do that. EDIT: And done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendary Dragon Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I'm not liking this banlist, it narrows down too many decks. For example, Gishki's. What exactly have they done to deserve a limited ban(s)? All in all I really don't like this banlist. Also lol at Exodia being there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Secret Barrel/Chain Strike to 0? Chain Burn has very little player interaction and is probably more dangerous that Exodia and countdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Hydreigoon' timestamp='1354649837' post='6085157'] I'm not liking this banlist, it narrows down too many decks. For example, Gishki's. What exactly have they done to deserve a limited ban(s)? All in all I really don't like this banlist. Also lol at Exodia being there. [/quote] The 2 Gishkis he hit were the discard searchers. If you really need searchers use Manju. Like he said this is more of a narrowing banlist to stop playthisyouwin cards, not something based off of what is broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Just out of curiosity, why is Exodia banned and its pieces unlimited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Stan Alda' timestamp='1354650034' post='6085165'] Just out of curiosity, why is Exodia banned and its pieces unlimited? [/quote] Why put its pieces at any less than 3 if they're worthless. Without Exodia they essentially just become random vanillas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Kettleblack' timestamp='1354649921' post='6085159'] Secret Barrel/Chain Strike to 0? Chain Burn has very little player interaction and is probably more dangerous that Exodia and countdown. [/quote]That's definitely a possibility. But the real question I'd have is whether that actually stops Chain Burn as a deck. [quote name='Meta~' timestamp='1354649985' post='6085161'] The 2 Gishkis he hit were the discard searchers. If you really need searchers use Manju. Like he said this is more of a narrowing banlist to stop playthisyouwin cards, not something based off of what is broken. [/quote]More importantly, it will make Gishki decks more diverse in their builds. When I said I wanted to expand deck diversity, I didn't just mean from one type of deck to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendary Dragon Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Perhaps my opinion was premature/misguided, as I kind of don't understand the purpose of the banlist. "Playthisyouwin"? So does that mean literal win conditions, like BLS and sometimes Gorz? Or is it a little more complicated, like the spammability of Six Sams, or maybe high consistency? I need some guidelines here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Hydreigoon' timestamp='1354650319' post='6085174'] Perhaps my opinion was premature/misguided, as I kind of don't understand the purpose of the banlist. "Playthisyouwin"? So does that mean literal win conditions, like BLS and sometimes Gorz? Or is it a little more complicated, like the spammability of Six Sams, or maybe high consistency? I need some guidelines here! [/quote]It means a single card you can play and win with just by playing it. Or a card that turns the tide so far into your favor that the opponent can't possibly come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1354647788' post='6085105'] mido can probably provide a better argument for than I can, but the basic idea is that we've cut down on a lot of power spell cards and Magician of Faith is rarely going to end a game by using its effect [/quote] Ermagersh i was mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Kettleblack' timestamp='1354650204' post='6085169'] Why put its pieces at any less than 3 if they're worthless. Without Exodia they essentially just become random vanillas. [/quote] Considering every other Exodia-related card requires Exodia itself, that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1354650506' post='6085180'] Ermagersh i was mentioned? [/quote]Surprise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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