ihop Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Secret Barrel + Chain Strike to 0 should make it pretty safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 No, don't f*** with Exodia. The decks are annoying, but they're a heck of a lot easier to beat than most of the meta nowadays, and that's like removing Pikachu from Pokemon or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Kettleblack' timestamp='1354650594' post='6085185'] Secret Barrel + Chain Strike to 0 should make it pretty safe. [/quote]But what about one or the other? Since I'd prefer it if I could end it by just banning Chain Strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Shradow' timestamp='1354650657' post='6085186'] No, don't f*** with Exodia. The decks are annoying, but they're a heck of a lot easier to beat than most of the meta nowadays, and that's like removing Pikachu from Pokemon or something. [/quote] Stalling the snot out of your opponent while searching the pieces is just plain boring. It's iconic, but it's a opener for a whole can of worms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Banning Chain Strike will do nothing. To be honest if you're banning one card I'd ban Ojama Trio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Shradow' timestamp='1354650657' post='6085186'] No, don't f*** with Exodia. The decks are annoying, but they're a heck of a lot easier to beat than most of the meta nowadays, and that's like removing Pikachu from Pokemon or something. [/quote]No, that would be banning Dark Magician. What I'm doing is banning Zubat. [quote name='Kettleblack' timestamp='1354650876' post='6085190'] Banning Chain Strike will do nothing. To be honest if you're banning one card I'd ban Ojama Trio. [/quote]If that's the case, I'd rather not hit anything and let people continue winning with Royal Decree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1354651157' post='6085196'] If that's the case, I'd rather not hit anything and let people continue winning with Royal Decree. [/quote] With the same logic you can keep Countdown at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Kettleblack' timestamp='1354651222' post='6085198'] With the same logic you can keep Countdown at 3. [/quote]Yeah, but I can kill Countdown by hitting one card. I'll just ban Chain Strike for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1354651157' post='6085196'] No, that would be banning Dark Magician. What I'm doing is banning Zubat. [/quote] Banning situational yet annoying (and honestly, relatively weak) things is not the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Shradow' timestamp='1354651533' post='6085205'] Banning situational yet annoying (and honestly, relatively weak) things is not the way to go. [/quote] So how does this relate to Exodia? Especially with all the mass draw and stall it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Meta~' timestamp='1354651585' post='6085206'] So how does this relate to Exodia? [/quote] Exodia is situational, needing a whole deck to be built around it to be of much use at all. Exodia is annoying, that's self-explanatory. Exodia decks are still weaker than most of the meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Shradow' timestamp='1354651533' post='6085205'] Banning situational yet annoying (and honestly, relatively weak) things is not the way to go. [/quote] You would like my Land Mine deck, then. It's chock full of unnecessary Trap Hole variants, Metal Reflect Slimes, and Blast Spheres. *sarcasm* In all honesty, it's not that situational. All you need is a good stall, searchers, and an Necross or Exodius for good measure...at least on DN. I'm too cheap for real cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Master Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 >Exodia >Implied greentext. >Raeg. OT: Seriously, ban Exodia? I highly question that. Yeah, he's good and all, but not ban-worthy. I can see an argument with BLS, although I don't agree with it. EDIT: Sorry about that, I dropped my bomb and your text exploded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1354650588' post='6085184'] Surprise? [/quote] Very. My hate for limiting cards that dont get exponentially stronger in multiples aside,since i dont like [u]ANY[/u] frequency of "i drew it can i haz free advantage cards",since nobody likes that,im going to ask about these. [Spoiler='ChimeratechPostdragon'] [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1354646992' post='6085098'] [b]FORBIDDEN[/b] [b]Limited to Forbidden:[/b] [color=#008000]Pot of Avarice[/color] [i]I actually think this could be at least tolerable in this format with how most ways to spam for free this format are gone,i dont see any viable deck under this list that would want to tech this.[/i] [i]I can completely see why you'd want to hit it though,and agree with it.[/i] [b]Unlimited to Forbidden:[/b] [color=#FF8C00]Atlantean Dragoons[/color] [i]I understand this card is [/i][i]used to make your[/i] [i]comboes longer off searching more fodder to fuel your megaloabyss for the moment,but well,diva is limited,and might even have a case to move to 0,and glacia is banned[/i],[i]so in a lot of cases this will just be an infantry or mark from deck[/i] [b]LIMITED ( 38 )[/b] [b]Semi-Limited to Limited:[/b] [color=#008000]> Hieratic Seal of Convocation[/color] [i]Limiting this before hitting atum at all seems awkward. Dragunity dont even need this to put special fields on the board.[/i] [b]Unlimited to Limited:[/b] [color=#FF8C00]Fire King High Avatar Garunix[/color] [i]It looks searchable in it's archtype,but i havent played the deck enough to know,so ok[/i]. [color=#FF8C00]Geargiarmor[/color] [i]This seems a bit..not enough,with how easily it's recycled.[/i] [color=#FF8C00]Gishki Vision[/color] [color=#FF8C00]Gishki Shadow[/color] [i]I dont get it.[/i] [color=#FF8C00]Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World[/color] [i]I think it's too easy to move back and forth for a limit to be enough,but i suppose it's easier to stop it now.[/i] [color=#FF8C00]Haze-Beast Peryton[/color] [i]Why? It's typically a +0 from deck that doesnt summon anything that only summons fodder without massive beatstick status,and usually makes -1 xyzes. I'd be more interested in what its summoning,but i doubt anything needs a hit other than maybe M7.[/i] [color=#FF8C00]Snoww, Unlight of Dark World[/color] [i]I believe banning grapha before considering this card is still the best hit to DW,if they even need a hit even in this format.[/i] [color=#A9A9A9]Black Rose Dragon[/color] [i]Hmmmm,why?[/i] > Constellar Ptolemys Messier 7 [i]Ban it if you wanna go there.[/i] Fierce Leader of the Fire Fist - Tiger [i]Wolfberk is limited,so im not seeing enough ways to hyperspam this card too horribly.[/i] [color=#008000]Mystical Space Typhoon[/color] [color=#008000]Night Beam[/color] [i]This format seems veeeeerry slowed down with much less power plays,so im not seeing much of a problem with being able to do those. Feel free to prove me wrong.[/i] [color=#008000]Wind-Up Factory[/color] [i]Could you take care of magician and maybe rat first?[/i] [color=#EE82EE]Infernity Barrier[/color] [i]Mirage is banned,so why?[/i] [b]SEMI-LIMITED ( 17 )[/b] [b]Limited to Semi-Limited:[/b] [color=#008000]Book of Moon[/color] [color=#008000]Scapegoat[/color] [i]Want these at 3 sooo bad.[/i] [b]Unlimited to Semi-Limited:[/b] [color=#ff8c00]Cardcar D[/color] [i]Why? Everything herpderp you can fuel with it took a massive hit.[/i] [color=#ff8c00]> Gravekeeper's Recruiter[/color] [i]I dont get it.[/i] [color=#ff8c00]> Herald of Perfection[/color] This feels like an unnoticable hit at 2. [color=#ff8c00]> High Priestess of Prophecy[/color] [i]I'd actually worry about necro book or temper first. Just dont like how they can grab bosses just cuz,i guess.[/i] [color=#ff8c00]> Hieratic Dragon of Tefnuit[/color] [i]????[/i] [color=#008000]Necrovalley[/color] [i]I dont get it at all.[/i] [color=#ee82ee]Macro Cosmos[/color] [i]Could you completely decimate grapha first? Just in case?[/i] [/quote][/Spoiler] My response in [i]italic[/i]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Wait, you limited MST? *facepalm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Shradow' timestamp='1354651678' post='6085209'] Exodia is situational, needing a whole deck to be built around it to be of much use at all. Exodia is annoying, that's self-explanatory. Exodia decks are still weaker than most of the meta. [/quote] Needing a deck to be built around it doesn't mean much at all. Exodia's a dumb win condition. And this banlist hits most of the meta .____. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Deck diversity, but 3 Pot of Duality. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1354652485' post='6085228'] Deck diversity, but 3 Pot of Duality. Makes sense. [/quote] You say that like Duality's a staple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 There isn't a deck that can't run it, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1354652626' post='6085232'] There isn't a deck that can't run it, really. [/quote] But there are quite a few decks that don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1354652032' post='6085219'] [b]FORBIDDEN[/b] [color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Pot of Avarice[/size][/font][/color] [i]I actually think this could be at least tolerable in this format with how most ways to spam for free this format are gone,i dont see any viable deck under this list that would want to tech this.[/i][color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] [/size][/font][/color][i]I can completely see why you'd want to hit it though,and agree with it.[/i] [b][i]It probably doesn't NEED to be banned, but it's kind of a stupid card and should have gone already.[/i][/b] [color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Atlantean Dragoons[/size][/font][/color] [i]I understand this card is [/i][i]used to make your[/i][color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3] [/size][/font][/color][i]comboes longer off searching more fodder to fuel your megaloabyss for the moment,but well,diva is limited,and might even have a case to move to 0,and glacia is banned[/i][color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3],[/size][/font][/color][i]so in a lot of cases this will just be an infantry or mark from deck[/i] [i][b]It's just too easy of a search for anything you may want. You can't make a strong Sea Serpent with this card existing.[/b][/i] [b]LIMITED ( 38 )[/b] [color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> Hieratic Seal of Convocation[/size][/font][/color] [i]Limiting this before hitting atum at all seems awkward. Dragunity dont even need this to put special fields on the board.[/i] [i][b]I'm more worried about Hieratics using Metamorphosis But I understand your concern.[/b][/i] [color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Fire King High Avatar Garunix[/size][/font][/color] [i]It looks searchable in it's archtype,but i havent played the deck enough to know,so ok[/i][color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3].[/size][/font][/color] [b]It's searchable. Way too searchable.[/b] [color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Geargiarmor[/size][/font][/color] [i]This seems a bit..not enough,with how easily it's recycled.[/i] [b]I just want to break down the consistency a bit.[/b] [color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Gishki Vision[/size][/font][/color] [color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Gishki Shadow[/size][/font][/color] [i]I dont get it.[/i] [i][b]I don't trust Gishki in this format and want to make them play more diverse decks.[/b][/i] [color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World[/size][/font][/color] [i]I think it's too easy to move back and forth for a limit to be enough,but i suppose it's easier to stop it now.[/i] [i][b]Keeping it at 1 doesn't make it any less searchable, but it does make it easier to handle.[/b][/i] [color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Haze-Beast Peryton[/size][/font][/color] [i]Why? It's typically a +0 from deck that doesnt summon anything that only summons fodder without massive beatstick status,and usually makes -1 xyzes. I'd be more interested in what its summoning,but i doubt anything needs a hit other than maybe M7.[/i] [b]I may be getting ahead of myself with this hit, but I still don't like the damn card. I'll consider removing it.[/b] [color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Snoww, Unlight of Dark World[/size][/font][/color] [i]I believe banning grapha before considering this card is still the best hit to DW,if they even need a hit even in this format.[/i] [i][b]I probably don't even need to limit this card.[/b][/i] [color=#A9A9A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Black Rose Dragon[/size][/font][/color] [i]Hmmmm,why?[/i] [b]I left Debris @2 with the thought that it may be alright to bring it to 3. I have more issue with multiple single card field nukes than multiple Level 7 Synchro summons.[/b] [color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> Constellar Ptolemys Messier 7[/size][/font][/color] [i]Ban it if you wanna go there.[/i] [i][b]It's a lot less destructive with all the hits I've done. In my opinion, it's a lot more strategic than it was before.[/b][/i] [color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Fierce Leader of the Fire Fist - Tiger[/size][/font][/color] [i]Wolfberk is limited,so im not seeing enough ways to hyperspam this card too horribly.[/i] [i][b]Fire Fists still worry me, but you're probably right with Tenki hit as well.[/b][/i] [color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Mystical Space Typhoon[/size][/font][/color] [color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Night Beam[/size][/font][/color] [i]This format seems veeeeerry slowed down with much less power plays,so im not seeing much of a problem with being able to do those. Feel free to prove me wrong.[/i] [i][b]I want an MST play to be thought out and not an immediate herpderp byebye backrow. And Night Beam never has thought and specifically doesn't want player interaction.[/b][/i] [color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Wind-Up Factory[/size][/font][/color] [i]Could you take care of magician and maybe rat first?[/i] [i][b]Magician is @1 and Rat is @2. This is a consistency hit.[/b][/i] [color=#EE82EE][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Infernity Barrier[/size][/font][/color] [i]Mirage is banned,so why?[/i] [font="tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#9ba2a9"][size=3][b][i]Because it's searchable and negates anything? I may move it to semi'd.[/i][/b][/size][/color][/font] [b]SEMI-LIMITED ( 17 )[/b] [color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Book of Moon[/size][/font][/color] [color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Scapegoat[/size][/font][/color] [i]Want these at 3 sooo bad.[/i] [b]Too much, let's stick to a test run @2.[/b] [color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Cardcar D[/size][/font][/color] [i]Why? Everything herpderp you can fuel with it took a massive hit.[/i] [b]Switched with Duality.[/b] [color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> Gravekeeper's Recruiter[/size][/font][/color] [i]I dont get it.[/i] [i][b]I was trying to figure out how to hit GKs after Necrovalley.[/b][/i] [color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> Herald of Perfection[/size][/font][/color] [color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]This feels like an unnoticable hit at 2.[/size][/font][/color] [b]I don't even know if I should hit Herald, but it felt right to do so.[/b] [color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> High Priestess of Prophecy[/size][/font][/color] [i]I'd actually worry about necro book or temper first. Just dont like how they can grab bosses just cuz,i guess.[/i] [i][b]I don't have a problem with prophecies outside High Priestess.[/b][/i] [color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> Hieratic Dragon of Tefnuit[/size][/font][/color] [i]????[/i] [i][b]Metamorphosis. I'm worried.[/b][/i] [color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Necrovalley[/size][/font][/color] [i]I dont get it at all.[/i] [i][b]Same reason I hit Skill Drain and Macro[/b][/i] [color=#EE82EE][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Macro Cosmos[/size][/font][/color] [i]Could you completely decimate grapha first? Just in case?[/i] [i][b]No. No I can't.[/b][/i] [/quote] [quote name='Shradow' timestamp='1354652167' post='6085222'] Wait, you limited MST? *facepalm* [/quote]It makes people play smarter. If there's a single set card and you have MST in hand, I don't want it to be an immediate thought of "I should use MST immediately" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Without that Atlantean free search guy Moulinglacia's fine actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Meta~' timestamp='1354654878' post='6085268'] Without that Atlantean free search guy Moulinglacia's fine actually. [/quote]Idk, I'd still want it @1 like I did with Grandsoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1354654975' post='6085276'] Idk, I'd still want it @1 like I did with Grandsoil. [/quote] Well yea I get that but it's no longer worthy of a ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 [quote name='Meta~' timestamp='1354655013' post='6085278'] Well yea I get that but it's no longer worthy of a ban. [/quote]Isn't it though? Isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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