Agro Makes Another Banlist

[Toffee.]

Out of curiosity, would limiting Geargiaccel make more sense then Armor?

[Agro]

[quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1354655162' post='6085281']
Out of curiosity, would limiting Geargiaccel make more sense then Armor?
[/quote]Maybe. Probably. Wouldn't that kill Geargias?

[mido9]

[quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1354655162' post='6085281']
Out of curiosity, would limiting Geargiaccel make more sense then Armor?
[/quote]
Banning it along with burei might,but i dont like that approach.

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[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Pot of Avarice[/size][/font][/color]

[b][i]It probably doesn't NEED to be banned, but it's kind of a stupid card and should have gone already.[/i][/b]

Fine.

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Atlantean Dragoons[/size][/font][/color]
[i][b]It's just too easy of a search for anything you may want. You can't make a strong Sea Serpent with this card existing.[/b][/i]

You probably could,if you made it not snap open every time it's consistently playable.

[b]LIMITED ( 38 )[/b]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> Hieratic Seal of Convocation[/size][/font][/color]

[i][b]I'm more worried about Hieratics using Metamorphosis But I understand your concern.[/b][/i]

Which part,the tribute hieratic part or tribute fodder you got from hieratic part?

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Fire King High Avatar Garunix[/size][/font][/color]

[b]It's searchable. Way too searchable.[/b]
Maybe hit it more?

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Geargiarmor[/size][/font][/color]

[b]I just want to break down the consistency a bit.[/b]
But at this level it's an almost non-hit.

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Gishki Vision[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Gishki Shadow[/size][/font][/color]

[i][b]I don't trust Gishki in this format and want to make them play more diverse decks.[/b][/i]

Maybe hit kraken then?

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World[/size][/font][/color]
[i][b]Keeping it at 1 doesn't make it any less searchable, but it does make it easier to handle.[/b][/i]

By enough? I mean,you have REDMD banned and that's pretty managable at 1.
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Haze-Beast Peryton[/size][/font][/color]
[b]I may be getting ahead of myself with this hit, but I still don't like the damn card. I'll consider removing it.[/b]
Go ahead.

[color=#A9A9A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Black Rose Dragon[/size][/font][/color]

[b]I left Debris @2 with the thought that it may be alright to bring it to 3. I have more issue with multiple single card field nukes than multiple Level 7 Synchro summons.[/b]
It just,sorta,leaves your front row empty with your normal summon gone,and that's probably the only play you can do for the turn.

[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> Constellar Ptolemys Messier 7[/size][/font][/color]
[i][b]It's a lot less destructive with all the hits I've done. In my opinion, it's a lot more strategic than it was before.[/b][/i]
Put it to 3 then.

[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Mystical Space Typhoon[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Night Beam[/size][/font][/color]
[i]This format seems veeeeerry slowed down with much less power plays,so im not seeing much of a problem with being able to do those. Feel free to prove me wrong.[/i]

[i][b]I want an MST play to be thought out and not an immediate herpderp byebye backrow. And Night Beam never has thought and specifically doesn't want player interaction.[/b][/i]

[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Wind-Up Factory[/size][/font][/color]

[i][b]Magician is @1 and Rat is @2. This is a consistency hit.[/b][/i]

Didnt you say you wanted magi banned?

[color=#EE82EE][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Infernity Barrier[/size][/font][/color]
[font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][color=#9ba2a9][size=3][b][i]Because it's searchable and negates anything? I may move it to semi'd.[/i][/b][/size][/color][/font]
How do you use barrier well without mirage or launcher.

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Cardcar D[/size][/font][/color]

[b]Switched with Duality.[/b]
yyyyyyyyyyyy. Why not have them both at 3?

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> Gravekeeper's Recruiter[/size][/font][/color]

[i][b]I was trying to figure out how to hit GKs after Necrovalley.[/b][/i]
Dont?

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> Herald of Perfection[/size][/font][/color]

[b]I don't even know if I should hit Herald, but it felt right to do so.[/b]
Hit it more noticably.

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> High Priestess of Prophecy[/size][/font][/color]
[i][b]I don't have a problem with prophecies outside High Priestess.[/b][/i]

I have a problem with temper and necrobook just for their genericness than with priestess,but sure.


[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Necrovalley[/size][/font][/color]

[i][b]Same reason I hit Skill Drain and Macro[/b][/i]
Because you cracked down on everything they're keeping in check?

[color=#EE82EE][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Macro Cosmos[/size][/font][/color]

[i][b]No. No I can't.[/b][/i]
Your loss.[/Quote][/Spoiler]

[Agro]

[b]LIMITED ( 38 )[/b]
[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> Hieratic Seal of Convocation[/size][/font][/color]
[i][b]I'm more worried about Hieratics using Metamorphosis But I understand your concern.[/b][/i]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Which part,the tribute hieratic part or tribute fodder you got from hieratic part?[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]The both part.[/b][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Fire King High Avatar Garunix[/size][/font][/color]
[b]It's searchable. Way too searchable.[/b]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Maybe hit it more?[/size][/font][/color]

[b][color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Was Nepthys banned? Plus I also hit Onslaught. [/size][/font][/color][/b]


[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Geargiarmor[/size][/font][/color]
[b]I just want to break down the consistency a bit.[/b]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]But at this level it's an almost non-hit.[/size][/font][/color]

[b][color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]It loses 2 of itself. That's not a non-hit.[/size][/font][/color][/b]


[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Gishki Vision[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Gishki Shadow[/size][/font][/color]
[i][b]I don't trust Gishki in this format and want to make them play more diverse decks.[/b][/i]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Maybe hit kraken then?[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Kraken is @1 and hardly an issue.[/b][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World[/size][/font][/color]
[i][b]Keeping it at 1 doesn't make it any less searchable, but it does make it easier to handle.[/b][/i]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]By enough? I mean,you have REDMD banned and that's pretty managable at 1.[/size][/font][/color]

[b]Would you prefer I bring REDMD back to 1?[/b]

[color=#A9A9A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Black Rose Dragon[/size][/font][/color]
[b]I left Debris @2 with the thought that it may be alright to bring it to 3. I have more issue with multiple single card field nukes than multiple Level 7 Synchro summons.[/b]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]It just,sorta,leaves your front row empty with your normal summon gone,and that's probably the only play you can do for the turn.[/size][/font][/color]

[font="tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#9ba2a9"][size=3][b]That's the most underestimated explanation of a field nuke I've ever read.[/b][/size][/color][/font]

[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> Constellar Ptolemys Messier 7[/size][/font][/color]
[i][b]It's a lot less destructive with all the hits I've done. In my opinion, it's a lot more strategic than it was before.[/b][/i]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Put it to 3 then.[/size][/font][/color]

[b]I'm still being careful with it (and more importantly Constellars)[/b]

[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Wind-Up Factory[/size][/font][/color]
[i][b]Magician is @1 and Rat is @2. This is a consistency hit.[/b][/i]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Didnt you say you wanted magi banned?[/size][/font][/color]

[b]I think it has an inherent issue. But I also think it's fine @1.[/b]

[color=#EE82EE][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Infernity Barrier[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b][i]Because it's searchable and negates anything? I may move it to semi'd.[/i][/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]How do you use barrier well without mirage or launcher.[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]By setting it.[/b][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Cardcar D[/size][/font][/color]
[b]Switched with Duality.[/b]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]yyyyyyyyyyyy. Why not have them both at 3?[/size][/font][/color]

[b]Because it's too much. We've been over this.[/b]

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> Gravekeeper's Recruiter[/size][/font][/color]
[i][b]I was trying to figure out how to hit GKs after Necrovalley.[/b][/i]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Dont?[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]I'd prefer to give them small hits.[/b][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> Herald of Perfection[/size][/font][/color]
[b]I don't even know if I should hit Herald, but it felt right to do so.[/b]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Hit it more noticably.[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][b]Should it be hit though?[/b][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#FF8C00][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]> High Priestess of Prophecy[/size][/font][/color]
[i][b]I don't have a problem with prophecies outside High Priestess.[/b][/i]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]I have a problem with temper and necrobook just for their genericness than with priestess,but sure.[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]necrobook is surprisingly ungeneric.[/size][/font][/color]


[color=#008000][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Necrovalley[/size][/font][/color]
[i][b]Same reason I hit Skill Drain and Macro[/b][/i]
[color=#9BA2A9][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Because you cracked down on everything they're keeping in check?[/size][/font][/color]

[b]Partially. Also because they shut down an entire section of gameplay singlehandedly.[/b]

[EmpoleMew]

I could say a lot about this list but let me just focus on one thing.

If you're hitting Hieratics because they might abuse Metamorphosis, doesn't it make more sense to just leave Metamorphosis where it is?

[Agro]

[quote name='EmpoleMew' timestamp='1354657416' post='6085298']
I could say a lot about this list but let me just focus on one thing.

If you're hitting Hieratics because they might abuse Metamorphosis, doesn't it make more sense to just leave Metamorphosis where it is?
[/quote]Nope

[Wildflame]

Keep it [s]bad[/s] classy Aggro.

I don't understand the obsession of some people to bring Metamorphosis back. Hitting 10 possibly decent cards to make 1 absolutly broken one playable doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe they really want to play Neo Bubbleman?

[Toffee.]

[quote name='Agro' timestamp='1354655494' post='6085282']
Maybe. Probably. Wouldn't that kill Geargias?
[/quote]
Arsenal can still go into Armor, provided, the Opponent will know what it is, but still....

[Synchronized]

I don't see the point in limiting Armor. While I can agree it's frustrating, it's really not limit-worthy. You crippled a Deck that wasn't even a "problem" to begin with. Geargi are competitive but I don't think they're good enough to deserve list attention. Just my opinion.

Also, I don't think Macro Cosmos needs to be @ 2, especially because people usually don't run 3 anyway.

[Legendary Dragon]

Remember this is a banlist that bans stuff that is "Playthisyouwin". Even other decks which aren't even a "problem" are being hit. Remind me which decks aren't be hit by this.

[Agro]

[quote name='- Neo -' timestamp='1354678377' post='6085657']
I don't see the point in limiting Armor. While I can agree it's frustrating, it's really not limit-worthy. You crippled a Deck that wasn't even a "problem" to begin with. Geargi are competitive but I don't think they're good enough to deserve list attention. Just my opinion.

Also, I don't think Macro Cosmos needs to be @ 2, especially because people usually don't run 3 anyway.
[/quote]With this banlist, it's pretty obvious that Geargia were going to need list attention. None of the other hits even come close to stopping them. Something had to happen or else they'd be the best deck with no competition.

As for Macro, as I've stated, the reason for hitting it is the same as Skill Drain or Necrovalley. Even if a lot of people don't run more than 2 (in Rabbit)

[Miror B]

[quote name='- Neo -' timestamp='1354678377' post='6085657']
I don't see the point in limiting Armor. While I can agree it's frustrating, it's really not limit-worthy. You crippled a Deck that wasn't even a "problem" to begin with. Geargi are competitive but I don't think they're good enough to deserve list attention. Just my opinion.

Also, I don't think Macro Cosmos needs to be @ 2, especially because people usually don't run 3 anyway.
[/quote]
Have you not read post 1?
And you don't put things at 2 because nobody runs 3, if it's a problem and nobody runs 3 you put it at 1 .___.