Agro Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Photon_Papilloperative"]http://yugioh.wikia....Papilloperative[/url] Papilla Operative Papaya Spy Fruit Ninja Yesssss This > Black Corn, just saying. *didn't check page 1-3* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0b3rt Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 This is better in going for game against Marshmallon and maybe Zenmaines/Gachi/Maestroke, but eh. Corn doesn't trigger destruction effects and dodges a lot of immunities, which is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 Makes Geargia miss timing which apparently is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1355237019' post='6090618'] Makes Geargia miss timing [/quote] Except it doesnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1355237600' post='6090620'] Except it doesnt [/quote] Oops, I probably should have clarified Geargiarmor. But still, yes it does, because Papilloperative flips the target face-up, and at that point Geargiarmor's effect is supposed to activate, since it's a When...You can card, but Papilloperative is offset with "and if you do", meaning that it's the second part of Papilloperative's effect, decreasing ATK. Geargiarmor will miss timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 The "and" part means both effects happen at the same time,so the last thing to happen would be BOTH the switch and the ATK loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 If that's the case, this card isn't cool anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 That's...kinda weird. I'm getting yes it does miss the timing because it states "and[u][i][b] if you do[/b][/i][/u]," meaning the flip would happen first and then it would decrease the ATK, but both parts would be treated as effects, which I understand. However, I'm also getting that it does NOT miss the timing because it states "[u][i][b]and[/b][/i][/u] if you do," meaning both of these effects would happen at the same time, which I also understand. Darkwolf! [img]http://pulmaosarss.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/batsignal.png[/img] We need your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 The if you do part is just for clarity,any card that goes like "do A and B" works just like "do A ,and if you do,B",both happen at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 Guys, just run This [i]and[/i] Black Corn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 It makes nothing miss timing. Card is incredible nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 [quote name='Kettleblack' timestamp='1355243029' post='6090680'] It makes nothing miss timing. Card is incredible nonetheless. [/quote] Pretty much what he said. Either way, I still don't have Black Corn since I don't have a deck that can fully utilize it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0b3rt Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 It's an issue of space, honestly. I might just run Black Corn over this in Bubblebeat because it's so much easier to get rid of walls and Kinetic Soldier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 [quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1355239785' post='6090647'] That's...kinda weird. I'm getting yes it does miss the timing because it states "and[u][i][b] if you do[/b][/i][/u]," meaning the flip would happen first and then it would decrease the ATK, but both parts would be treated as effects, which I understand. However, I'm also getting that it does NOT miss the timing because it states "[u][i][b]and[/b][/i][/u] if you do," meaning both of these effects would happen at the same time, which I also understand. [/quote] While, I'm not Darkwolf, I can answer this question. For effects that have multiple effects, the following things are true: • If an effect says "and if you do", the second effect requires the first effect to happen, but they happen 'at the same time' in terms of things missing the timing or not. • If an effect says "also" or just "and", neither effect is dependent on the other and they happen at the same time. • If an effect just says "then", that means the second effect is dependent on the first and the second thing would be the last thing to happen should the full effect succeeds, assuming no lower Chain Links. • If an effect says "then [...] if you activated this effect", that means the second effect will happen even if the first effect tries and fails to resolve, and that the second effect will independently be the last thing to happen, assuming no lower Chain Links. (This wording is seen on Goblindbergh.) Darkwolf, correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.