Aix Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 So there was a huge-a** debate about Grapha being broken, but I don't suppose it can't be argued against that this card is broken. However, what do you think about this card? How broken [i]is[/i] it? What nerfs would you suggest? Discuss. [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121207162918/yugioh/images/thumb/f/f6/FireKingHighAvatarGarunix-SD24-JP-UR.png/300px-FireKingHighAvatarGarunix-SD24-JP-UR.png[/img] [spoiler='Lore']During the next Standby Phase after this card was destroyed by a card effect and sent to the Graveyard: Special Summon this card from the Graveyard. When you do: Destroy all other monsters on the field. When this card is destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard: Special Summon 1 "Fire King" monster from your Deck, except "Fire King High Avatar Garunix".[/spoiler] [b][u]Additional Details[/u][/b] - Even if you Solemn him, it counts as destroying him and he comes back next turn. - You can bring him out easily with Onslaught or Fire Ring. - Has very similar stats to Grapha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 By itself, it's broken. With Nephtys, you may as well just enter your scoop phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpakha Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 That's not Jesus.... Anyway, it's art is amazing & it's effect... like Grapha on steroids.Grapha still has some advantages over this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Finally tested these guys. Fun as hell. Looping with 2 of these is pro and Nephtys is just adding insult to injury. I still see the deck as tier 2 at most though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted December 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 [quote name='AznKvn' timestamp='1356388961' post='6101349'] That's not Jesus.... Anyway, it's art is amazing & it's effect... like Grapha on steroids.Grapha still has some advantages over this though. [/quote] Not with Nepthys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 I don't like playing these guys very much. This card is actually quite easy to play around and it's not as broken as one might think. It's still busted though because of onslaught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Important fact that probably has been pointed out before: If you Solemn Warning or Herald of Orange Garunix's summon while he is in the graveyard, he does not come back next Standby Phase and he is dead until you Reborn it or Call of the Haunted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Fire Kings... I've never thought of them as a threat. Nor do I think of this as broken. It's honestly never hurt me that much, though that may just be because I tend to play explosive/combo decks that don't need to commit to the field constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1356389883' post='6101367'] Important fact that probably has been pointed out before: If you Solemn Warning or Herald of Orange Garunix's summon while he is in the graveyard, he does not come back next Standby Phase and he is dead until you Reborn it or Call of the Haunted it. [/quote] I always thought it could, then I read Nephtys rulings page and found out when it's summoning effect is negated while it's on the Graveyard, it's not considered to be "destroyed"... so the same would be applied to Garunix, in this case. Well, thankfully, I run 3 Calls and 2 Fire Rings on my Deck, so, not a big deal, in the end. Though D-Fissure and Macro Cosmos can be a real pain in the neck for this Deck, I still found it really awesome! Garunix' effect is really broken, but since you can easily counter it by Banishing it, things get balanced, meaning it won't be hit by Ban List anytime soon, or so do I think. Good for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 [quote name='Pchi' timestamp='1356410831' post='6101492'] I always thought it could, then I read Nephtys rulings page and found out when it's summoning effect is negated while it's on the Graveyard, it's not considered to be "destroyed"... so the same would be applied to Garunix, in this case.[/quote] Wrong, it is because they need to be destroyed and sent to the graveyard. They are destroyed in the graveyard and therefore are not sent there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 IMO, this thing is fine. It's the spell that's OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1356416867' post='6101528'] IMO, this thing is fine. It's the spell that's OP. [/quote] Hit the nail right on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1356412439' post='6101503'] Wrong, it is because they need to be destroyed and sent to the graveyard. They are destroyed in the graveyard and therefore are not sent there. [/quote] Cards in the Graveyard are not affected by destruction. They are never considered "destroyed in the Graveyard". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 [quote name='darkwolf777' timestamp='1356425452' post='6101568'] Cards in the Graveyard are not affected by destruction. They are never considered "destroyed in the Graveyard". [/quote] Either way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 So don't be ruuude! Garunix has a couple common answers (Warning, Bottomless on Onslaught, Monster Reborn), and most cards that destroy it leave it without any monsters to eliminate. It's still worth building around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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